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Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Hannover » 1 year 4 months ago (Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:20 pm)

Because they were instructed to, that's why. Simple as that.

a must see here:
'Propaganda: Your Job in Germany'



Directed by It's A Wonderful Life's Frank Capra [Zionist] and written by Theodor "Dr. Seuss" Geisel [Zionist], produced by the United States Information & Education Division of the Army Services Forces in 1946 [read: US propaganda agency], this authentic film proposes, "War with Germany ends in victory, victory leads to peace ... Sometimes ... Sometimes not.

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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Dresden » 1 year 4 months ago (Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:39 pm)

Blatant Propaganda!

Inversion of truth.

Contempt of truth.

Projection of Jewish aims onto Germany.
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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Hektor » 1 year 4 months ago (Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:16 am)

Because that's what they're employed for. Although, while I think that some of the PWD officers certainly knew what they're doing. The run off the mill soldiers where cleverly deceived into a certain interpretation of events. After years of anti-German propaganda, it's easy to jump onto conclusion. Especially, if you are low on back ground knowledge. And in a polarized situation like this, hardly anyone will contradict even the most ridiculous atrocity stories about the enemy.

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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby borjastick » 1 year 4 months ago (Sun Apr 10, 2016 9:50 am)

Hektor wrote:Because that's what they're employed for. Although, while I think that some of the PWD officers certainly knew what they're doing. The run off the mill soldiers where cleverly deceived into a certain interpretation of events. After years of anti-German propaganda, it's easy to jump onto conclusion. Especially, if you are low on back ground knowledge. And in a polarized situation like this, hardly anyone will contradict even the most ridiculous atrocity stories about the enemy.


I totally agree Hektor. One should remember that back in the 1940s people were very naive and believed what they were told. They didn't have access to as much info as we do and didn't have such inquiring minds as perhaps we do. The media were almost told what to say and dutifully said it. As I have mentioned before my dad was a British squaddie in Palestine in 46-47 and saw hundreds of thousands of jews arriving from Europe. He had of course heard of the mass murder and jewish holocaust and certainly did in later years but never once did he doubt the details on the basis of all those jews he saw arriving. I would say he is rather sweet and very gullible but not much more so than your average.
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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 year 4 months ago (Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:49 pm)

I think it goes a lot deeper than this. This likely colored what the average soldier saw, with the gist of the film being "they look like they're nice but they're really evil."

But a bigger element is there were Psych Warfare personnel involved in setting up lies and lying to rank and file Allied troops. Some of these Psych Warfare personnel were German Jews in the US Army. Example: Albert Rosenberg and Billy Wilder at Buchenwald. In other words a secret section of Allied Forces lying to other Allied Forces under the presumable directive of "denazification."

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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Werd » 1 year 4 months ago (Mon Apr 11, 2016 12:56 am)

The given title from the youtube user appears misleading. When this appears on the screen...

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the narrator says, "The problem now is future peace. That is your job in Germany."

So if somebody wants to point out an instance in this movie where the narrator encourages American soldiers to lie or draw up reports that are false, please indicate where it exists. I either missed it, or it doesn't exist at all.

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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Hektor » 1 year 4 months ago (Mon Apr 11, 2016 1:57 am)

Werd wrote:The given title from the youtube user appears misleading. When this appears on the screen...

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the narrator says, "The problem now is future peace. That is your job in Germany."

So if somebody wants to point out an instance in this movie where the narrator encourages American soldiers to lie or draw up reports that are false, please indicate where it exists. I either missed it, or it doesn't exist at all.


Where was implied that at any time there was an official instruction to draw up false reports?

The tenor is:"We must secure "future peace" through "denazification" and "reeducation" and for that we need to use "atrocity propaganda"".

"...Early in the re-education of the German people the military government attempted to develop a sense of collective responsibility for results of National Socialism, especially for atrocities in concentration camps...The development of a sense of collective responsibility was considered a prerequisite to any long-term education of the German people. "
https://archive.org/details/MorrisJanow ... Atrocities


At the time "future peace" of course means a Pax Americana. It's essentially an encouragement to establish a hegemony over Germany. For that you need to denigrate the Germans as much as possible, especially the more patriotic once, which of course are Nazis.

That kind of propaganda works with misrepresentation and exaggeration. The public is at first skeptical realizing that there is a thing such as "war propaganda", but repetition of the same theme and other apparently accurate news mixed in do their job. Even if they believe the stories to be exaggeration they'll settle for some "middle ground",because common sense has it that "the truth must be somewhere in between".

Of course this isn't a very clever method of establishing the truth. Due to the fact that the party desiring to make something up in their favor will now that they've got to blow up their story as big as is deemed feasible to make it stick.[/quote]
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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Hannover » 1 year 4 months ago (Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:53 am)

Werd said:
So if somebody wants to point out an instance in this movie where the narrator encourages American soldiers to lie or draw up reports that are false, please indicate where it exists. I either missed it, or it doesn't exist at all.
Obviously Werd has not actually viewed the video.

Werd's still stinging from my take down of his belief in propaganda in the thread below and is trying to dig his way out.
Rather than simply admitting he's wrong he tries to double down. Classic.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10300

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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Werd » 1 year 4 months ago (Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:49 pm)

The other topic Hannover linked to has me admitting that the one affidavit under discussion is admitted by me to not be well proven.

It still seems nobody is able to provide a time stamp from the video where soldiers are encouraged to draw up false reports and lie about what they see. And yes I have watched the video. I watched it again while composing this post. It falsely accuses Germany of starting the first two world wars, and tells Americans not to trust civilians since civilians have a fascist desire to rule the world because of the people they elected. It also tells them to not engage on friendly terms with them and to respect their laws and not engage in misbehaviour. Propaganda, nor atrocity propaganda nor reducation are explicitly said in the video. If I'm wrong, give a time stamp. Failure to give a time stamp will prove me correct. Successfully showing me a time stamp where anything like those words are uttered will prove me wrong. Either or. A or B. Simple as that.

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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Hannover » 1 year 4 months ago (Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:37 pm)

Werd said:
Propaganda, nor atrocity propaganda nor reducation are explicitly said in the video. If I'm wrong, give a time stamp. Failure to give a time stamp will prove me correct. Successfully showing me a time stamp where anything like those words are uttered will prove me wrong. Either or. A or B. Simple as that.

Apparently Werd missed the title of the film which is addressed to Allied soldiers:

"Propaganda: Your Job in Germany"
at 0.01 in the video :lol:

Combined with the known fact that Allied Psych Warfare personnel under the guise of being "soldiers" were rampant in the labor camps.
Hence we saw lies of human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, statements about impossible 'gas chambers' and grotesque murders for which there is zero proof, on & on.

Can Werd give us a "time stamps" or Allied documents somewhere which says specifically to conjure up bogus human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, & impossible 'gas chambers'?
Of course not, but we know the claims were made because they were, well, made. Conditioning and praise for it was set in motion.
The fix was in on all levels as Allied Psych Warfare "soldiers", filled with Jews, went wild. And now we're telling everyone about it.
see:
' Buchenwald—A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil'
By DenierBud
http://codoh.com/library/document/1529/
Episodes

Human Skin Lampshade
The Director
Shrunken Heads
Tattooed Skin Taken From Bodies
Ilse Koch Anachronistic Problem
Moral High Ground or Ethno-Genetic Strategy?
A Psyche Warfare Operation Makes History
Spotting The Chief of Psyche Warfare In The Propaganda Movie
Why America Believes In The Holocaust
Understanding The Piles Of Bodies
USA, Britain Caused Way More Starvation Deaths Than Nazis
Eisenhower's Holocaust Hoax Strategy
For Eisenhower, The Holocaust Myth Was An Incoming Popularity Coup, And The "Military Industrial Complex" Speech Was An Outgoing Popularity Coup
People's Thinking Wants To Evolve Beyond Good Guys Fighting Bad Guys, But The Holocaust Myth Gets In The Way
Using Dead Bodies To Frame The Nazis And Justify World War II
Psyche Warfare's Flawed Strategy: Using The Pfaffenberger Affidavit
Objects Planted By Psyche Warfare End Up As Nuremberg Trial Evidence
The Same Americans Who Helped Create The Holocaust Myth, Then Went On To Create The Cold War
Proof That Psyche Warfare Worked With The New York Times To Promote The Holocaust Myth
Buchenwald Executions
A Scriptwriter's Great Idea: Baking Ovens To Cremation Ovens
Militarism Needs The Holocaust Myth

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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Werd » 1 year 4 months ago (Mon Apr 11, 2016 11:25 pm)

Werd wrote:The given title from the youtube user appears misleading. When this appears on the screen...

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the narrator says, "The problem now is future peace. That is your job in Germany."

I don't give a shit what the youtube user decides to title the film. The issue is not only the actual title, but what actual words/phrases show up in the movie. Since we already have plenty of evidence about the psych warfare department and what C.D. Jackson and all those Hollywood Jews were doing, let's not claim, "hey we have another piece of evidence/example about deliberate propaganda to add to the already huge list," when we clearly don't regarding this youtube video. Because the enemies of freedom of speech are always looking for something to make mountains out of molehills. This is not me being a turncoat and believing in gas chambers. This is me issuing a friendly warning by asking a serious question.

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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Hannover » 1 year 4 months ago (Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:19 am)

Werd:
Get a grip.

You said:
I don't give a shit what the youtube user decides to title the film.

The title IS the original title given the film, not one given by a "YouTube user". :lol:

Even lowly Wikipedia admits that.
Your Job In Germany is a short film made for the United States War Department in 1945 just before Victory in Europe Day. It was shown to US soldiers about to go on occupation duty in Germany.

The title is a huge issue, it gives the game away immediately.
It's telling regular US soldiers & Pysch. Warfare "soldiers' exactly what 'their job' is, creating propaganda. Hence we got so much propaganda which had no basis in fact.

I remind you of my request:
Can Werd give us a "time stamps" or Allied documents somewhere which says specifically to conjure up bogus human skin lampshades, shrunken heads, & impossible 'gas chambers'?

You also ignore Denierbud's devastating indictment of US "soldiers" propaganda efforts.

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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Werd » 1 year 4 months ago (Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:37 am)

The title IS the original title given the film

Where's the proof of that?

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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Hannover » 1 year 4 months ago (Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:04 am)

Here's some rather uncomplimentary descriptions:

Dr. Seuss’ World War II Propaganda Films:
Your Job in Germany (1945) and Our Job in Japan (1946)
http://www.openculture.com/2015/06/dr-s ... films.html


Your Job in Germany
Has been described as the most hate filled film ever made
Dr Seuss's script shows a far uglier side to his persona than the cat in the hat. The film is essentially a crass (though I fear successful) attempt to entrench racist ideas about Germany in the American soldiers sent after Germany's WWII defeat. Germans are portrayed as inherently evil human beings. American Soldiers are warned to be on their guard that those wily Germans are likely to slap their lederhosen and drink beer and be merry in the hope that their essential evil and cruelty might go unnoticed. The audience is left in no doubt that to fraternise with a German is to succumb to the trickery of the most irredeemable despicable evil that human nature could offer. Nazism is not political but an inevitability of the German race.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038264/reviews

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Why would US "soldiers" & propaganda personnel lie about what they supposedly saw?

Postby Werd » 1 year 4 months ago (Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:36 pm)

http://www.openculture.com/2015/06/dr-seuss-world-war-ii-propaganda-films.html

It is a propaganda film in the sense that American military men made it to brainwash their soldiers, but that is not the issue. The issue is, and always has been:
It falsely accuses Germany of starting the first two world wars, and tells Americans not to trust civilians since civilians have a fascist desire to rule the world because of the people they elected. It also tells them to not engage on friendly terms with them and to respect their laws and not engage in misbehaviour. Propaganda, nor atrocity propaganda nor reducation are explicitly said in the video.

The issue is not only the actual title, but what actual words/phrases show up in the movie.

Let's not shift the goal posts. Claim victory all you want for revisionist history given what denier bud has exposed. But there is nothing to hoot and holler about with this little 10 minute move in particular.


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