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'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby Hannover » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue May 10, 2016 9:54 am)

This is the utmost in mindless insanity and confirms that religious fanatics are behind the entire matter of 'Israel' & the impossible '6M'.

Why else has the sacred '6,000,000' been promoted since at least 1869?
'The Six Million, Six Million Times / beginning in 1869'
see: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6915

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http://news.antiwar.com/2016/05/09/isra ... ons-arabs/
Israeli Civics Text Credits God for Creation of State, Barely Mentions Arabs

The Israeli Education Ministry has raised eyebrows with its new civics textbook, designed for the nation’s secular school system. The book, called “Being a Citizen in Israel,” makes repeated mentions to God as being behind the founding of Israel in 1948, and cites Bible passages as justification.

The book openly defends Israel’s status as a “Jewish nation state,” cheering the nation’s ethno-cultural nationalism as wholly appropriate, and repeatedly mentions the Holocaust as well, in reference to the importance of Israel’s existence as a Jewish-dominated state..

Adding to the controversy, the book includes only a single chapter covering all of Israel’s religious minorities, and centers primarily on the Druze, insisting that they are loyal to the state and don’t identify as Arabs. Israel’s huge Muslim minority, however, gets two whole sentences in the entire book, one of which accuses them of “oppressing women” and the other simply pointing out that they make up 83% of Israel’s minorities overall.

It is noteworthy that the accusations against Muslims are one of very few references to women in the entire book, which makes no references to ongoing debates in Israeli society about the status of women in ultra-Orthodox communities.

Israel’s current Education Minister is Naftali Bennett, of the far-right “Jewish Home” party. Officials defended the book’s contents, insisting that several Arab editors had reviewed and approved its contents, though notably, not a single Arab was named in the book’s extensive credits.

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”.
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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.


If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby Dresden » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue May 10, 2016 11:21 am)

"The book, called “Being a Citizen in Israel,” makes repeated mentions to God as being behind the founding of Israel in 1948, and cites Bible passages as justification"

It's true.....G-d really did create Israel in 1948.....it's all right there in the Scofield Bible.

"The book openly defends Israel’s status as a “Jewish nation state,” cheering the nation’s ethno-cultural nationalism as wholly appropriate....."

Only Jews can have a Nation of their own.....not the White Goyim.

Racism is bad.....unless you're a supremacist Jew.

"All animals are equal.....but some animals are more equal than others" - George Orwell

".....centers primarily on the Druze, insisting that they are loyal to the state and don’t identify as Arabs"

So, what do they "identify" as.....non-persons?

"Officials defended the book’s contents, insisting that several Arab editors had reviewed and approved its contents"

What were the names of these "several Arab editors"?.....We'll never know.

Insanity is the right word for this nonsense.
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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby Inquisitor » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed May 11, 2016 2:56 am)

As Steve alluded to above - one can only imagine the hysterical denunciations and condemnations of any such policy in a White/Western nation...and Jewish voices would be among the loudest to be heard on the matter!

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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby IHaveNoName » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed May 11, 2016 5:51 am)

I am from Israel so maybe I can answer a few things here and there from my experience in the country with different populations.
I have heard of this book much lately, especially inside of Israel itself, a lot of controversy around it, a lot of debate, a lot of criticism not just about the book, but about the Minister of Education himself, Naftali Bennett. In fact, when you write his name in google, the first things to come up are articles with criticism about him in regards to the new book implemented in the education system. Basically, the book represents the right wing religious Zionism.

Inquisitor wrote:As Steve alluded to above - one can only imagine the hysterical denunciations and condemnations of any such policy in a White/Western nation...and Jewish voices would be among the loudest to be heard on the matter!

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Read above.



Steve F wrote:So, what do they "identify" as.....non-persons?


To Steve, Druze identify themselves as Druze, and are loyal to the country they live in, there's a whole unit in the army dedicated to Druze and they help Israel very much. There are definitely Arabs that identify with Israel and do so proudly, especially in the center of the country where people are much more open minded and accepting (from both sides).

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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby Hannover » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed May 11, 2016 5:58 am)

IHaveNoName:

Do you think God created Israel?

Does only the 'Israeli religious right' determine what is in school textbooks?

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby IHaveNoName » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed May 11, 2016 6:24 am)

Hannover wrote:IHaveNoName:

Do you think God created Israel?

Does only the 'Israeli religious right' determine what is in school textbooks?

- Hannover

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”.
Arthur Schopenhauer

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.

I am an atheist, lol.
And of course it doesn't, that's why there is so much criticism about it in Israel.

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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby Hannover » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed May 11, 2016 6:30 am)

IHNN:
I am an atheist, lol.
And of course it doesn't, that's why there is so much criticism about it in Israel.

Then how does such absurd nonsense end up in 'Israeli' textbooks?

And how much 'controversy' is there really? A few indignant atheists made to seem like a popular movement? Or is this a truly massive uprising?

Do you believe in the '6M Jews' storyline / religion?

- Hannover

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”.
Arthur Schopenhauer

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby IHaveNoName » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed May 11, 2016 6:36 am)

Hannover wrote:IHNN:
I am an atheist, lol.
And of course it doesn't, that's why there is so much criticism about it in Israel.

Then how does such absurd nonsense end up in 'Israeli' textbooks?

And how much 'controversy' is there really? A few indignant atheists made to seem like a popular movement? Or is this a truly massive uprising?

Do you believe in the '6M Jews' storyline / religion?

- Hannover

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”.
Arthur Schopenhauer

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.

1) Because the minister of Education is an orthodox Jew, unfortunately.
2) It is pretty massive, I've seen many articles in big outlets on the internet, debates on the radio and television, all on big channels, this is definitely not something small.
3) No, that's why I'm on this forum. What do you mean by religion?

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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby Hannover » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed May 11, 2016 6:45 am)

Can you cite an 'Israeli' poll on this issue for me?

Were you born in 'Israel'?
Do you now reside in 'Israel'?

Because the '6M murdered Jews' is an irrational religion complete with fanatical True Believers, false idols, shrines, tall tales, and scientifically impossible beliefs.
In fact the '6M' has been preached from at least 1869.

'The Six Million, Six Million Times / beginning in 1869'
see: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6915

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“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”.
Arthur Schopenhauer

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby IHaveNoName » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed May 11, 2016 7:02 am)

Hannover wrote:Can you cite an 'Israeli' poll on this issue for me?

Were you born in 'Israel'?
Do you now reside in 'Israel'?

Because the '6M murdered Jews' is an irrational religion complete with fanatical True Believers, false idols, shrines, tall tales, and scientifically impossible beliefs.
In fact the '6M' has been preached from at least 1869.

'The Six Million, Six Million Times / beginning in 1869'
see: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6915

Image

- Hannover

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”.
Arthur Schopenhauer

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.

I don't think there's a poll, where should I look for one?

1) Yes.
2) Yes.
3) I wouldn't call that religion, but rather an idea, as I said I don't believe in the standard holocaust narrative.

By the way, even the writer of the original book (the new book is sort of a remake) says that Israel is scared of critical thinking students and that she's sorry for the teachers for having to teach this. In the comments of many of these articles Israeli's write "in a few years we'll be like Iran", "School books shouldn't advocate any political policies", "It's 2016 and we still use books", and many more comments of this sort, however there are some radical righties and lefties who go at it in the comments every once in a while :D
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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby Hannover » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed May 11, 2016 7:07 am)

Do you consider yourself a Zionist?

An '"idea" based upon what?

Then what part of the 'holocaust' storyline do you accept as fact?

BTW, thanks.

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“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”.
Arthur Schopenhauer

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby IHaveNoName » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed May 11, 2016 7:17 am)

Hannover wrote:Do you consider yourself a Zionist?

Then what part of the 'holocaust' storyline do you accepts as fact?

BTW, thanks.

- Hannover

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”.
Arthur Schopenhauer

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.

Depends what type of definition you use for Zionism.

Well, it's hard to make a clear distinction and explain everything in a post, but generally what they teach in Israel are half-truths, not so much the lies. For example, in history lessons we barely touched the subject of gas chambers, it was maybe a paragraph (even though they do say there were gas chambers, there's no strong emphasis on it like in many movies), we mostly learn about how the Nazi's managed to get to the top (WW1-1933, economical crisis, political crisis etc.), a bit about Hitler's life, the actions Nazi Germany did prior to WW2 (1933-1939, policies of Nazi Germany etc.) and then in WW2 we learn about the invasion into the USSR, ghetto's, killing of different groups (not just Jews) and then about the fall of Nazi Germany.

Anyhow, since I haven't studied the subject very in-depth I just "believe" what I can find official factual evidence for, I am still trying to figure out where I stand, but I am definitely aware of the controversy about how many died, how many lived where etc, lets just say I am approaching this skeptically.

BTW, I edited my previous comment.

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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby Moderator » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed May 11, 2016 7:28 am)

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For obvious reasons, please do not edit a post after someone has replied.
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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby Review » 1 year 1 month ago (Sun May 15, 2016 9:14 am)

IHaveNoName wrote:..I have heard of this book much lately, especially inside of Israel itself, a lot of controversy around it, a lot of debate, a lot of criticism not just about the book, but about the Minister of Education himself, Naftali Bennett.-


That's the minister who bragged about killing arabs, if I remember correctly. The only democracy in the middle east, and all..

Read above.
Steve F wrote:So, what do they "identify" as.....non-persons?


To Steve, Druze identify themselves as Druze, and are loyal to the country they live in, there's a whole unit in the army dedicated to Druze and they help Israel very much. There are definitely Arabs that identify with Israel and do so proudly, especially in the center of the country where people are much more open minded and accepting (from both sides).


I read they were not too happy when Israel was treating AlQaida fighters from Syria...

http://syrianperspective.com/2015/06/lo ... lance.html

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Re: 'God created Israel', 'holocaust' is a fanatical religion

Postby IHaveNoName » 2 months 1 week ago (Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:01 am)

Review wrote:
IHaveNoName wrote:..I have heard of this book much lately, especially inside of Israel itself, a lot of controversy around it, a lot of debate, a lot of criticism not just about the book, but about the Minister of Education himself, Naftali Bennett.-


That's the minister who bragged about killing arabs, if I remember correctly. The only democracy in the middle east, and all..

Read above.
Steve F wrote:So, what do they "identify" as.....non-persons?


To Steve, Druze identify themselves as Druze, and are loyal to the country they live in, there's a whole unit in the army dedicated to Druze and they help Israel very much. There are definitely Arabs that identify with Israel and do so proudly, especially in the center of the country where people are much more open minded and accepting (from both sides).


I read they were not too happy when Israel was treating AlQaida fighters from Syria...

http://syrianperspective.com/2015/06/lo ... lance.html

Haven't heard about him bragging about killing Arabs, care to provide some evidence? ]
I didn't really understand what the article was talking about, too much cynicism to comprehend :)


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