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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby Hektor » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:32 am)

Review wrote:I was expecting something like this, with the dominance Amazon has on the book market. Personally I boycott many of the large chains (incl. Amazon), because I like diversity when it comes to books and the large chains often don't sell books that are controversial and/or outside of a claimed scientific "consensus".


Me too. I also have a bias in favor of the smaller players on the market. As for "scientific consensus" that argument is entirely bogus. There is no such thing as "scientific consensus". Yes there may be widespread agreement on an issue within academia, but that isn't scientific proof at all. Science works with empirical evidence and the logical-rational conclusions being drawn from it. They aren't always 100% certain for sure, but when "academic consensus" is invoked, you can bet that it's not an issue they got scientific levels of certainty about.



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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby Inquisitor » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:24 am)

I have done a TON of business with Amazon over the past six or seven years - indeed so much so I have hardly stepped into a box-store other than for food/groceries in years! I will now drastically change all that asap. If I have to search every corner of the internet to make it happen, I will no longer support Amazon if they do not re-think and reverse this position post-haste. I should add, I have purchased many Revisionist works through Amazon over the years! Cowardly bastards!

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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby Mortimer » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:43 am)

This is not the first act of censorship from Jeff Bozos. The sister company to Amazon is the IMDB (Internet Movie Date Base). On 20 February 2017 all message boards were closed on that site. Holocaust propaganda films such as Denial, Schindler's List, Judgment at Nuremberg, The Grey Zone etc etc, were taking a battering as members were making revisionist comments and linking to revisionist sites such as CODOH. They had a politics board as well and Donald Trump supporters were making themselves very well known. This must have really irked Jeff Bozos as he has publicly come out against Trump. The official reason for closing the IMDB message boards was that they were too hard to moderate and took up too much space. This is a whitewash. The closing of the IMDB message boards is an act of censorship!

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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby georgesmiley » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:18 am)

As of now - CW Porter's books are still available to but on amazon uk, as is Gerhard Menuhin's "Tell the truth and shame the devil"

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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby Dresden » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:06 pm)

georgesmiley wrote:As of now - CW Porter's books are still available to but on amazon uk, as is Gerhard Menuhin's "Tell the truth and shame the devil"


Gerhard Menuhin's book is not available on Amazon.

The book titled "Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil" on Amazon is by David Nolan.
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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby Kingfisher » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Mar 11, 2017 3:12 pm)

I'm as concerned as everyone else posting about this, but we have to give Amazon credit for holding out as long as they have. They have clearly received an offer they can't refuse. One presumes that Facebook, Google and YouTube are next in their sights.

BTW this earlier thread now drops nicely into place: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10991&hilit=Amazon#p82593. The ground was being prepared.

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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby georgesmiley » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:18 pm)

You are correct Dresden - bad research on my part.

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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby katana » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:12 am)

Something that needs to be emphasized is the silver lining to this banning of Revisionist books.

That the claimed three pillars of the "Holocaust", namely that National Socialist Germany had a plan to exterminate all the jews that it could, that it used "industrial" methods, i.e., gas chambers to do so, and that it succeeded in murdering six million jews, can not stand scrutiny is demonstated, once again.

It is effectively a "Declaration of Defeat" on the part of the Holocaust Industry.

It sees it cannot win the argument, so it resorts to banning the Revisionist’s argument from public circulation, using a mega-company that should more appropriately be now called, "Amazion".
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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby georgesmiley » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:39 am)

Very good article on this subject by Lasha Darkmoon here https://www.darkmoon.me/2017/amazon-bans-holocaust-denial-shreds-and-incinerates-thousands-of-books/ - the comments are always interesting as well.

And yes, this move reveals further the missing scale in the holocaust dragon. May an arrow find its way to pierce its false heart.

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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby Zulu » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:33 pm)

Hektor wrote:
Me too. I also have a bias in favor of the smaller players on the market. As for "scientific consensus" that argument is entirely bogus. There is no such thing as "scientific consensus". Yes there may be widespread agreement on an issue within academia, but that isn't scientific proof at all. Science works with empirical evidence and the logical-rational conclusions being drawn from it. They aren't always 100% certain for sure, but when "academic consensus" is invoked, you can bet that it's not an issue they got scientific levels of certainty about.

Had consensus a minor scientific value, new theories would be approved by voting.
Many theories have won against "scientist's consensus" of their time. No need to cite Nicolaus Copernicus, Galileo Galilei or Charles Darwin.
Another example less known, the theory developed by Alfred Wegener:
Continental drift

Continental drift is the movement of the Earth's continents relative to each other, thus appearing to "drift" across the ocean bed. The speculation that continents might have 'drifted' was first put forward by Abraham Ortelius in 1596. The concept was independently and more fully developed by Alfred Wegener in 1912, but his theory was rejected by some for lack of a mechanism (though this was supplied later by Arthur Holmes) and others because of prior theoretical commitments. The idea of continental drift has been subsumed by the theory of plate tectonics, which explains how the continents move.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_drift

See also
Plate tectonics

Plate tectonics (from the Late Latin tectonicus, from the Greek: τεκτονικός "pertaining to building") is a scientific theory describing the large-scale motion of 7 large plates and the movements of a larger number of smaller plates of the Earth's lithosphere, over the last hundreds of millions of years. The theoretical model builds on the concept of continental drift developed during the first few decades of the 20th century.

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But without detailed evidence and a force sufficient to drive the movement, the theory was not generally accepted: the Earth might have a solid crust and mantle and a liquid core, but there seemed to be no way that portions of the crust could move around. Distinguished scientists, such as Harold Jeffreys and Charles Schuchert, were outspoken critics of continental drift.

Despite much opposition, the view of continental drift gained support and a lively debate started between "drifters" or "mobilists" (proponents of the theory) and "fixists" (opponents). During the 1920s, 1930s and 1940s, the former reached important milestones proposing that convection currents might have driven the plate movements, and that spreading may have occurred below the sea within the oceanic crust. Concepts close to the elements now incorporated in plate tectonics were proposed by geophysicists and geologists (both fixists and mobilists) like Vening-Meinesz, Holmes, and Umbgrove.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics

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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby Hektor » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:00 am)

Zulu wrote:
Hektor wrote:
Me too. I also have a bias in favor of the smaller players on the market. As for "scientific consensus" that argument is entirely bogus. There is no such thing as "scientific consensus". Yes there may be widespread agreement on an issue within academia, but that isn't scientific proof at all. Science works with empirical evidence and the logical-rational conclusions being drawn from it. They aren't always 100% certain for sure, but when "academic consensus" is invoked, you can bet that it's not an issue they got scientific levels of certainty about.

Had consensus a minor scientific value, new theories would be approved by voting.
Many theories have won against "scientist's consensus" of their time. No need to cite Nicolaus Copernicus, Galileo Galilei or Charles Darwin.
Another example less known, the theory developed by Alfred Wegener:
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In theory you're right. But in practice it's indeed the way that general acceptance of scientific theories or facts work via some sort of consensus. And that often takes some time, especially if that theory has some political and/or ideological implications (like the Holocaust does). Ego may also play a role though.

That scientists, including historians, are guided solely by "reason and verifiable prove" is a myth and something they pretend to do, since that's what the educated public expects scientists to be. But they're also human beings and self interest, social psychology and biographical imprints work on them as well. That certainly finds its way into how they interpret things and what they'll publicly proclaim.

Galileo is an interesting case as it is widely believed that his theory on heliocentrism was rejected on religious grounds. That's not entirely true, It was actually rejected, because his proof wasn't really that sound (He used tides as proof among other things, but that doesn't contradict geocentrism). His theory was only proven at later stages by other arguments, which are actually quite complicated but relate to the movement of the planets.

Holocaust belief is based on atrocity propaganda and the post-war power relations. Add to that ignorance of the real facts and also interest groups pushing that agenda via media and the educational system. The historians went accord with this over time, until it became an "established fact" and the "scientific consensus". Court convictions of "Nazi war criminals" did their part to cement the belief, as well. But courts are part of the state apparatus, so they're actually an exercise of power. They are not as reliable as people tend to belief. And the evidence in those cases aren't really that overwhelming, if you go through the records.

The lack of hard evidence is even mentioned in the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial verdict:
Denn dem Gericht fehlten fast alle in einem normalen Mordprozess zur Verfügung stehenden Erkenntnismöglichkeiten, um sich ein getreues Bild des tatsächlichen Geschehens im Zeitpunkt des Mordes zu verschaffen. Es fehlten die Leichen der Opfer, Obduktionsprotokolle, Gutachten von Sachverständigen über die Ursache des Todes und die Todesstunde, es fehlten Spuren der Täter, Mordwaffen usw. Eine Überprüfung der Zeugenaussagen war nur in seltenen Fällen möglich.
Die Glaubwürdigkeit der Zeugen musste daher besonders sorgfältig geprüft werden. Wo geringste Zweifel bestanden oder die Möglichkeit von Verwechslungen nicht mit Sicherheit auszuschliessen war, hat das Gericht Aussagen von Zeugen nicht verwertet.
http://www.junsv.nl/cgi/t/text/text-idx ... 1%3A6.2.54


"Missing were the victim's corpses, examination protocols on corpses, expert testimony on cause and time of death, traces of perpetrators, murder weapons, etc. verification of testimony was only possible in rare cases."

The cop-out is then that they excluded witnesses from consideration, when there was doubt on credibility. But if you go through the trial records, you'll see that a witness essentially had to implicate himself as a liar in no uncertain terms.

Now try the following. Ask for the name of a homicidal gassing victim in Auschwitz and proof for that claim. The trials were done without having identified any specific victims! Specific people were however accused of having participated in the gassing of unnamed victims. That's actually a real oddity and unheard of.

The lack of credibility (after 20 years) didn't hinder academic historians to use that testimony as proof in their Holocaust literature. As dispute is criminalized and popular belief is on their side. They won't get called out publicly on this.

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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby astro3 » 3 months 1 week ago (Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:03 am)

More on this by Nick Kollerstrom

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=148635

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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby HeiligeSturm » 3 months 1 week ago (Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:42 pm)

Sad attack on free speech. Desperate even.

This could be good news in a way, because now more and more people start to think why this kind of action and laws are
needed when people are questioning the Holocaust storytelling with dedicated research and facts.

Some people at septicforum (I left the letter k deliberately out)
are clapping their hands for this ban.
But those people don't really seem to be skeptic about for example these books which are still sold through amazon.com:

Elie Wiesel's Night
Irene Zisblatt's The Fifth Diamond
The Apple: Based on the Herman Rosenblat Holocaust Love Story
Misha Defonseca's Misha: A Memoire of the Holocaust Years


Fragile and gullible minds are still littered and polluted with these fabricated fairy tales while real studies are banned.
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby CognitiveDestruction » 3 months 20 hours ago (Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:26 pm)

If you're in America, you can continue to buy from Barnes & Noble. CHP is trying to get the rest of the titles back up. Dark times are approaching, stay sane.

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Re: All Revisionist Books Banned From Amazon !!

Postby astro3 » 2 months 2 days ago (Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:45 pm)

"After this Amazon ban, I checked worldcat.org to see if any of the main holocaust revision books are in libraries. Typically such titles might be held in 2 or 3 university libraries - but not a single copy in any public library world wide. So you see the censorship ban has already been very effective. Even if you donate such a book to the library it will not be in circulation very long."
https://www.amazon.com/forum/amazon%20d ... NWWEDUB0TJ
- my publisher John-Paul Leonard, of 'Progressive Press; - his comments on this thread are quite interesting.


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