Nuremberg's Ben Ferencz on the Einsatzgruppen

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Nuremberg's Ben Ferencz on the Einsatzgruppen

Postby Hannover » 1 month 1 week ago (Sat May 13, 2017 12:05 am)

Below we have the notorious Zionist Ben Ferencz of Nuremberg fame talking about the Einsatzgruppen.

excerpts:
1. He says he is still haunted by what he saw and the stories he heard, remembering the story of a son whose father had hidden bread for him under his arm every night so other prisoners couldn’t steal it.

2. Though he returned home to the United States, he has soon summoned again. General Telford Taylor, who was in charge of the Nuremberg trials, requested Ferencz’ legal expertise, sending him multiple binders of top secret documents from the Nazi regime.

3. “He gave me a bunch of binders, four binders. And these were daily reports from the Eastern Front — which unit entered which town, how many people they killed. It was classified, so many Jews, so many gypsies, so many others,” he told 60 Minutes.

4. “Ferencz had stumbled upon reports sent back to headquarters by secret SS units called Einsatzgruppen, or action groups. Their job had been to follow the German army as it invaded the Soviet Union in 1941,” killing communists, gypsies, and Jews, the outlet reported. These murders were independent of concentration camp exterminations and occurred in the victims’ own towns.

5 “They were 3,000 SS officers trained for the purpose, and directed to kill without pity or remorse, every single Jewish man, woman, and child they could lay their hands on,” Ferencz recounted.
But, as Ferencz proved with written evidence, they had documented their atrocities in cold, plain language. 60 Minutes noted the Nazi reports:

6. “Exhibit 111: ‘In the last 10 weeks, we have liquidated around 55,000 Jews.’ Exhibit 179, from Kiev in 1941: ‘The city’s Jews were ordered to present themselves… about 34,000 reported, including women and children. After they had been made to give up their clothing and valuables, all of them were killed, which took several days.’ Exhibit 84, from Einsatzgruppen D in March of 1942: Total number executed so far: 91,678.”

7. Otto Ohlendorf, who led Einsatzgruppen D, actually claimed the murders were carried out in self-defense. “He was not ashamed of that. He was proud of that. He was carrying out his government’s instructions,” Ferencz told 60 Minutes.

1. There as obviously bread or the man would never have been able to conceal it on a daily basis.

2. "Top Secret documents" that were laughably manufactured after the war or are claimed, but never shown.
see here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11124

3. And the narrative says they were all buried in allegedly known mass graves .... which do not exist.

4. The Einsatzgruppen were formed to fight the illegal, non-uniformed 'partisans', aka: terrorists.
Both sides of the war executed these types when caught. Those executions were very legal under international law.
Yes, Jews, communists, & some gypsies were among them, so what? Nothing new about that fact.

5. A blatant and unprovable lie.
There are countless "survivor$" that debunk that absurd claim.

6. This is the Babi Yar claim for which no mass grave can be shown even though it's alleged to exist. Aerial photos at the time of the alleged action do not show what is claimed. It never happened, period.
see: 'Babi Yar debunked'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41

7. The very legitimate Einsatzgruppen actions were indeed in self defense and legal. Ohlendorf did nothing that the Allies didn't do.

The Industry now claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were killed by the Einsatzgruppen, so, anyone, please show us the excavated enormous mass graves that are claimed to exist, their locations are allegedly known.
Is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?

More on the vile Ferencz here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10939&p=82020&hilit=ferencz#p82020
and:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8968&p=81490&hilit=ferencz#p81490
Ferencz Admits to Using Forced Confessions and Death Threats
and:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7543&p=56469&hilit=ferencz#p56469
Ferencz engaged in murder

Read on, comments invited.

- Hannover

http://theantimedia.org/nuremberg-prose ... ssage-war/
The Last Living Nuremberg Prosecutor: War Is Not the Answer

Only one lawyer who prosecuted the Nuremberg trials is still alive today, and he has an important message for the world: war is not the answer.

60 Minutes recently interviewed Ben Ferencz, a son of Romanian Jewish immigrats who found refuge in the United States. His father worked as a janitor, and Ben was the first person in his family to go to college. After Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor, he was driven to enlist in the military.

Due to his short stature, the Air Force rejected him, as did the Marines. He eventually finished his education at Harvard and went on to join the Army, landing at Normandy and fighting in the Battle of the Bulge.

Because of his legal training, Ferencz was transferred to a new unit in General Patton’s Third Army, where he was tasked with gathering evidence from concentration camps as the U.S. Army liberated them. That information was going to be used to prosecute war crimes.

He says he is still haunted by what he saw and the stories he heard, remembering the story of a son whose father had hidden bread for him under his arm every night so other prisoners couldn’t steal it.

Though he returned home to the United States, he has soon summoned again. General Telford Taylor, who was in charge of the Nuremberg trials, requested Ferencz’ legal expertise, sending him multiple binders of top secret documents from the Nazi regime.

“He gave me a bunch of binders, four binders. And these were daily reports from the Eastern Front — which unit entered which town, how many people they killed. It was classified, so many Jews, so many gypsies, so many others,” he told 60 Minutes.

“Ferencz had stumbled upon reports sent back to headquarters by secret SS units called Einsatzgruppen, or action groups. Their job had been to follow the German army as it invaded the Soviet Union in 1941,” killing communists, gypsies, and Jews, the outlet reported. These murders were independent of concentration camp exterminations and occurred in the victims’ own towns.

“They were 3,000 SS officers trained for the purpose, and directed to kill without pity or remorse, every single Jewish man, woman, and child they could lay their hands on,” Ferencz recounted.

Ultimately, his findings led him to push for an additional trial, despite the previous ones already being conducted at Nuremberg.

“When I reached over a million people murdered that way, over a million people, that’s more people than you’ve ever seen in your life, I took a sample. I got on the next plane, flew from Berlin down to Nuremberg, and I said to Taylor, ‘General, we’ve gotta put on a new trial.’“

Because the prosecutors were already stretched thin and other trials were already underway, Taylor put him in charge of handling the Einsatzgruppen. At age 27, Ferencz prosecuted 22 former commanders, all of whom plead not guilty to their crimes.

But, as Ferencz proved with written evidence, they had documented their atrocities in cold, plain language. 60 Minutes noted the Nazi reports:

“Exhibit 111: ‘In the last 10 weeks, we have liquidated around 55,000 Jews.’ Exhibit 179, from Kiev in 1941: ‘The city’s Jews were ordered to present themselves… about 34,000 reported, including women and children. After they had been made to give up their clothing and valuables, all of them were killed, which took several days.’ Exhibit 84, from Einsatzgruppen D in March of 1942: Total number executed so far: 91,678.”

Otto Ohlendorf, who led Einsatzgruppen D, actually claimed the murders were carried out in self-defense. “He was not ashamed of that. He was proud of that. He was carrying out his government’s instructions,” Ferencz told 60 Minutes.

Though Ferencz was exposed to some of the worst behavior in human history, he fell short of calling the soldiers “savages,” as the 60 Minutes interviewer referred to them. Rather, he blamed the power of patriotism and soldiers ‘just doing their jobs.’

“He’s a patriotic human being acting in the interest of his country, in his mind,” he said, speaking of soldiers who commit atrocities.

“Do you think the man who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima was a savage? Now I will tell you something very profound, which I have learned after many years. War makes murderers out of otherwise decent people. All wars, and all decent people.” [emphasis added]

Ferencz successfully prosecuted the 22 commanders he put on trial, and four were hanged. He has spent his life trying to deter war crimes and delivered the closing arguments in the first case at the International Criminal Court at the Hague in the Netherlands, which was established in 1988. He has also donated his personal life savings to a Genocide Prevention Initiative at the Holocaust Museum.

When the interviewer pressed him about his optimism in the face of continued genocide in places like Sudan — asking whether he is simply naive — he maintained his positivity and rejected the claims of those who insist war is necessary:

"Well, if it’s naive to want peace instead of war, let ’em make sure they say I’m naive. Because I want peace instead of war. If they tell me they want war instead of peace, I don’t say they’re naive, I say they’re stupid. Stupid to an incredible degree to send young people out to kill other young people they don’t even know, who never did anybody any harm, never harmed them. That is the current system. I am naive? That’s insane.”

Though the interviewer also accused of him being an idealist, he insisted the opposite — that he’s a realist. He also said:

“People get discouraged. They should remember, from me, it takes courage not to be discouraged.”

He pointed out that decades ago, freedom for women, gays, and transsexuals was unthinkable, they have now come to pass, insisting it’s also possible to end mass murder and war.

“[I]t’s a reality today. So the world is changing. And you shouldn’t — you know — be despairing because it’s never happened before. Nothing new ever happened before.”

All but two of the Germans [on trial at Nuremberg], in the 139 cases that we investigated, had their testicles kicked in beyond repair. This was standard operating procedure with our American investigators:" 23.1.49, The Sunday Pictorial (quoted in For Those Who Cannot Speak (ref. 27), p.21.The statements which were admitted as evidence were obtained from men who had first been kept in solitary confinement for three, four and five months..The investigators would put a black hood over the accused's head, punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses.
- American judge, van Roden


If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Nuremberg's Ben Ferencz on the Einsatzgruppen

Postby Tommo » 1 month 1 week ago (Sat May 13, 2017 5:50 am)

After being directed to some stuff about these alleged atrocities the other day here, which is really the last frontier of the exterminationist in "sane" circles, it appears to be (unsurprisingly) a lie as well.

When I first heard about the 200 reports etc I thought well hey, maybe there is something...

There's a pretty good write up on the so-called anti-semitic site "Metapedia" - Einsatzgruppen entry with sub-heading "Einsatzgruppen reports".

Seems some are confirmed fakes, the quality is "janitorial level", if the documents are not faked they are atleast edited etc and we know the rest..

Unbelievable! But unfortunately not surprising!

Where are the bloody bodies.

The fact they don't marry up to facts in any case we can/have verified and in light of the rest being a lie, I don't think there can be any reasonable doubt in the mind of anybody who can be brought to bear on the facts and evidence, that isn't toally retarded.

The whole thing is a lie. The Holocaust was the extermination of GERMANY, how absolutely disgusting to have created an entire religion of paper and testimonial LIES.

How sick!

I only started learning 9 months ago. Prior to that, I would have thought this was crazy!

"Motivated by hatred and racism" Pfft! This behaviour certainly would generate bloody hatred alright.

I call it more "anti-scum-bagism" lol
What are you angry about? By proving the gas chambers a lie, I just knocked off half the holocaust and SAVED 3 million Jew's for you!

I just saved more Jew's than Oskar Schindler allegedly ever did! :lol:

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Re: Nuremberg's Ben Ferencz on the Einsatzgruppen

Postby hermod » 1 month 1 week ago (Sat May 13, 2017 11:46 am)

Tommo wrote:The whole thing is a lie. The Holocaust was the extermination of GERMANY, how absolutely disgusting to have created an entire religion of paper and testimonial LIES.

How sick!


So true. The best parallel on the 'Holocaust reparations' paid by Germany to Israel and Zionist organizations after WW2 is the case of a serial rapist requesting money from his victims for his condom fees.
"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

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Re: Nuremberg's Ben Ferencz on the Einsatzgruppen

Postby Hektor » 1 month 1 week ago (Sun May 14, 2017 7:46 am)

The forgeries, deceptions and subsequent self-enrichment and political point scoring are sick. But we take the matter on with sober facts and a rational look at the evidence. On the Einsatzgruppen subject we can e.g. examine the Stahlecker map:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1164&p=66109&hilit=Stahlecker#p66109


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