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'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblinka !!

Postby Hannover » 3 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:56 pm)

Zionist and "Holocaust Industry" spokesman Roberto Muehlenkamp has cited Yankel Wiernik as prove for the alleged 900,000 Jews allegedly murdered at Treblinka.

But when one takes the time to look at what Yankel Wiernik actually said, well then, another nail in the 'holocau$t' coffin.
It's pure unhinged wacko stuff, which is exactly what the alleged '6M Jews, 5M & gas chambers' fraud is built upon; irrational, scientifically impossible lies.

Here's the lowdown on Roberto's liar, the laughable Yankel Wiernik :lol: :

source:
A YEAR IN TREBLINKA
By Yankel Wiernik
An Inmate Who Escaped Tells the Day-To-Day Facts of One Year of His Torturous Experiences
Published by
AMERICAN REPRESENTATION of the General Jewish Workers' Union of Poland 175 East Broadway New York 2, N.Y. 1945
- "All looked yellow from the gas..."

-"People were often kept in the gas chambers overnight ...."

- "It often happened that an arm or a leg fell off when we tied straps around them in order to drag the bodies away"

- "as many as 30,000 people were gassed in one day...."

- "the bodies of women were used for kindling the fires"

- "The corpses were soaked in gasoline. This entailed considerable expense and the results were inadequate; the male corpses simply would not burn"

- "10,000 to 12,000 corpses were cremated at one time. The result was one huge inferno, which from the distance looked like a volcano breaking through the earth's crust to belch forth fire and lava"

- "The inmates were forced to sing Jewish songs ..."

- Wiernik claimed he saw a naked Jewish girl leap over a three-meter (9 ft.) high barbed wire fence, wrench the rifle out of the hands of a pursuing guard, shoot two other guards before she was overpowered.

- He stated that 900,000 Jews were murdered, buried, exhumed, then cremated at Treblinka & all traces disappeared.

- Wiernik claimed that up to 1200 people could fit into an area 7 X 7 m, in other words more than 20 people per sq. meter!!

- According to Wiernik the 7 X 7 m (49 sq.m.) gas chamber that held 1200 people was an improvement over a previous gas chamber that was 25 sq. meters and could hold 500 people.

- He claimed that bodies burned on their own once lit!!
Additional source:
'Death Camp Treblinka', A. Donat.
On gas chambers:

- "When I arrived at the camp, three gas chambers were already in operation; another ten were added while I was there. A gas chamber measured 5 x 5 meters and was about 1.90 meters high. The outlet on the roof had a hermetic cap. The chamber was equipped with a gas pipe inlet and a baked tile floor slanting towards the platform. The brick building which housed the gas chambers was separated from Camp No. 1 by a wooden wall. This wooden wall and the brick wall of the building together formed a corridor which was 80 centimeters taller than the building. The chambers were connected with the corridor by a hermetically fitted iron door leading into each of the chambers. On the side of Camp No. 2 the chambers were connected by a platform four meters wide, which- ran alongside all three chambers. The platform was about 80 centimeters above ground level. There was also a hermetically fitted wooden door on this side.

- Each chamber had a door facing Camp No. 2 (1.80 by 2.50 meters), which could be opened only from the outside by lifting it with iron supports and was closed by iron hooks set into the sash frames, and by wooden bolts. The victims were led into the chambers through the doors leading from the corridor, while the remains of the gassed victims were dragged out through the doors facing Camp No. 2. The power plant operated alongside these chambers, supplying Camps 1 and 2 with electric current. A motor taken from a dismantled Soviet tank stood in the power plant. This motor was used to pump the gas, which was let into the chambers by connecting the motor with the inflow pipes. The speed with which death overcame the helpless victims depended on the quantity of combustion gas admitted into the chamber at one time."

"Between 450 and 500 persons were crowded into a chamber measuring 25 square meters. Parents carried their children in their arms in the vain hope that this would save their children from death. On the way to their doom, they were pushed and beaten with rifle butts and with Ivan's gas pipe. Dogs were set upon them, barking, biting and tearing at them. To escape the blows and the dogs, the crowd rushed to its death, pushing into the chamber, the stronger ones shoving the weaker ones ahead of them. The bedlam lasted only a short while, for soon the doors were slammed shut. The chamber was filled, the motor turned on and connected with the inflow pipes and, within 25 minutes at the most, all lay stretched out dead or, to be more accurate, were standing up dead. Since there was not an inch of free space, they just leaned against each other."

- "It turned out that we were building ten additional gas chambers, more spacious than the old ones, 7 by 7 meters or about 50 square meters. As many as 1,000 to 1,200 persons could be crowded into one gas chamber."

:lol: :lol:

also recommended:
'"eyewitness" Yankel Wiernik at Treblinka'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33
and:
'The "Eyewitness" All-Stars & The Unhinged Award nominees are ...'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10426

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Re: 'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblink

Postby Atigun » 3 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:22 pm)

I cannot understand why apparently rational people would even pretend to believe such blatant and demonstrable lies. One of my favorite excuses for such lies is that Eastern Jews were an overly emotional and dramatic lot so were prone to "exaggerate." In his tales of how the eeevul Narzis mistreated the Jews, Wiernik tells of how the guards are continually striking them over the head with whips and rifle butts. I have harped on this before but but I'm astounded that anyone could express such ignorance.

In my younger days I soldiered before the issue of the minor caliber "assault rifles." Bayonet drill was considered "good training" from several standpoints and was a memorable part of basic training. The German/Ukrainian guards must have had the lightest and most delicate touch to be able to hit someone on the head with a K-98 Mauser rifle butt without rendering him unconscious or dead. I know, it's a minor point but my own experience makes it memorable.

Claiming that such lies are just, "exaggerations," or it's just an isolated incident of the witness trying to improve the tale is simply not acceptable. Neither is the claim that such details are irrelevant to the "main thrust" of the narrative. It would seem that if Roberto et al. truly expect people to believe the holyhoax narrative, they must first explain such anomalies.

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Re: 'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblink

Postby Hannover » 3 weeks 6 days ago (Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:51 pm)

Atigun:
It would seem that if Roberto et al. truly expect people to believe the holyhoax narrative, they must first explain such anomalies.

"Anomalies"? Hardly.

Read any "eyewitness / survivor" tale, they are loaded with impossible, contradicting nonsense. They're all over this forum.
A few examples here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10426

Roberto's Yankel Wiernik is the norm.

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Re: 'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblink

Postby Hegwood » 3 weeks 6 days ago (Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:03 am)

Hannover,

You said:

Read any "eyewitness / survivor" tale, they are loaded with impossible, contradicting nonsense. They're all over this forum.

Very true, but what makes Yankel Wiernik's tale different is that it holds such an important position in the whole holocaust story. Most of the liars can be dismissed by the industry and the story goes on without their bit part. They can't do that with Yankel Wiernik. Because his story is the basis for what DenierBud calls "One Third of the Holocaust", without it the alleged murder of 750-900 thousand jews at Treblinka is totally unsupported and along with it the whole "Aktion Reinhard" claim. There are no alternatives to his lies.

True, other alleged witnesses tell a very similar story but they are just repeating what Wiernik wrote. When one person tells an impossible tale he clearly establishes himself as a liar. Anyone who seconds his story is just another ignorant liar.

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Re: 'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblink

Postby Hannover » 3 weeks 5 days ago (Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:03 pm)

BTW, this is the same Yankel Wiernik who 'testified' at the Eichmann trial.
Remember that the next time someones raise the trial of Eichmann as proof for the impossible '6M Jews & 5M others'.

"Holocaust Industry" spokesman Roberto Muehlenkamp is not alone in his religious fervor for the typical 'holocaust' liar, Yankel Wiernik.

Here are a few more Wiernik references to those who, like Roberto Muehlenkamp, believe in the laughably impossible:

source: http://forward.com/news/104670/a-year-in-treblinka/

An Epic Tale’ of Frightening Suffering, Told By One Who Escaped. In 1944, the Forverts, the Yiddish forebear of this newspaper, published Yankel Wiernik’s early and unparalleled account of the systematic murder of hundreds of thousands of Jews in the Nazi death camp called Treblinka.The newspaper described Wiernik’s story, “A Year in Treblinka,” as the first eyewitness account of the gas chambers. In great detail, he described the brutality of the Nazis in what was later realized to be the murders of more than one in four Jews living in Poland at the time. Historians estimate that between 700,000 and 870,000 Jews were put to death at Treblinka between June 1942 and the fall of 1943.

Great truths of humankind are recounted simply here. Without embellishment, all is revealed. Frightening suffering and all manner of gruesome deaths by hundreds of thousands of Jews. Wiernik survived the war and settled in Israel, where he died in 1972.In honor of Yom HaShoah, Holocaust Remembrance Day, which begins at sundown April 20, here is a condensed and excerpted version of his gripping tale. While it contains very disturbing images of suffering and death, the Forward — like its forebear — believes it is a tale that still must be told.

also:
http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibiti ... or_doc.pdf

and the Zionist controlled Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jankiel_Wiernik

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Re: 'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblink

Postby Revisionist » 3 weeks 5 days ago (Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:42 pm)

I really wished he lived long enough so that he could be cross-examined by Zundel's lawyer. It would have been great to sink this witness in court.
In Wikipedia they even cite some of his ridicolous claims.

One question I always ask when we are confronted with "Sonderkommando" witnesses. How do we know that they really had their claimed "job"? Everyone can claim they were in the "Sonderkommando", so shouldn't there be some documents to verify it?

Or look it this way: I could claim that some of my ancestors were in the "Sonderkommando" and witnessed gassings. Then I tell everyone their "story" which I totally made up and no one questions it.

Do we have any documents which shows us who really worked in the "Sonderkommando"?

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Re: 'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblink

Postby roberto » 3 weeks 5 days ago (Fri Jul 28, 2017 8:44 am)

Atigun wrote:I cannot understand why apparently rational people would even pretend to believe such blatant and demonstrable lies.


Rational people are aware that

a) traumatized eyewitnesses to / victims of extremely violent events tend to have confused recollections, and their testimonies may contain weird claims along with other, more objective and plausible observations and recollections (Wiernik is obviously one such case);
b) testimonies of eyewitness to /victims of extremely violent events tend to contain exaggerations and/or other embellishments, without this ruling out more objective and plausible observations and recollections by the same eyewitnesses/victims;
c) Wiernik is only one out of at least several dozen eyewitnesses who described mass killing and body disposal at Treblinka extermination camp, and much of the information he provided is not only plausible but essentially matches testimonies of other witnesses, including former SS-men like Matthes and Münzberger;
d) eyewitnesses (including former inmates, members of the SS staff, Trawniki guards and bystanders) are just a part of the body of evidence that proves mass extermination at Treblinka extermination camp, the other parts being documentary evidence and what physical evidence is available, with none of the parts of the body of evidence contradicting another.

That's why rational people reasonably conclude that mass extermination at Treblinka is a proven fact, notwithstanding one or the other preposterous claim in the testimonies of former inmates, Just like the Dresden bombing on 13-15 February is a fact, notwithstanding preposterous witness claims such as the Elbe going in waves several meters high, phosphorous raining from the sky, fighter planes strafing refugees at night in the burning and smoking city, etc.

Atigun wrote:One of my favorite excuses for such lies is that Eastern Jews were an overly emotional and dramatic lot so were prone to "exaggerate." In his tales of how the eeevul Narzis mistreated the Jews, Wiernik tells of how the guards are continually striking them over the head with whips and rifle butts. I have harped on this before but but I'm astounded that anyone could express such ignorance.


Exaggerations have more to do with the witness being traumatized and confused than with supposed characteristics of "Eastern Jews". The "striking over the head" was obviously done with whips whereas rifle butts hit elsewhere if used, and Wiernik may have mixed up these details in his memory, big deal. And as to the "eeevul Narzis", Wiernik knew how to differentiate between brutal SS-men or Trawniki guards and such that were not. He expressly mentioned that his German superior, an SS-man named Loeffler, was a gentle fellow who helped him a lot.

Atigun wrote:In my younger days I soldiered before the issue of the minor caliber "assault rifles." Bayonet drill was considered "good training" from several standpoints and was a memorable part of basic training. The German/Ukrainian guards must have had the lightest and most delicate touch to be able to hit someone on the head with a K-98 Mauser rifle butt without rendering him unconscious or dead. I know, it's a minor point but my own experience makes it memorable.


Same as above. Whips hit on the head, rifle butts if used hit elsewhere, and Wiernik mixed up the two in his memory. No reason to throw out of the window his testimony, which also contains objective and plausible observations corroborated by evidence independent of Wiernik.

Atigun wrote:Claiming that such lies are just, "exaggerations," or it's just an isolated incident of the witness trying to improve the tale is simply not acceptable.


Why not? Testimonies containing both claims that make sense and others that are nonsensical are the daily bread of criminal investigators, judges and historians. Testimonies that are wholly reliable or wholly unreliable are exceptions rather than the rule.

Atigun wrote:Neither is the claim that such details are irrelevant to the "main thrust" of the narrative.


Why not? The "main thrust" of the narrative is based on those parts of testimonies that are plausible and corroborated, on documentary evidence and on what physical evidence is available. All of these elements essentially fit together like the pieces of a puzzle. All point to mass extermination at Treblinka, while on the other hand there is no evidence suggesting that Treblinka was anything other than an extermination camp.

Atigun wrote:It would seem that if Roberto et al. truly expect people to believe the holyhoax narrative, they must first explain such anomalies.


It's rather the other way round. Those who claim that a historical record supported by all available evidence and contradicted by none is a "hoax" must explain why one should reasonably assume that said "anomalies" in eyewitness testimonies make that historical record into a "hoax". If such "anomalies" are the best they can offer in support of their "hoax" allegations, their case is a very poor one, to say the least.

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Re: 'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblink

Postby Hegwood » 3 weeks 4 days ago (Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:50 pm)

Roberto,

Yankel Wiernik's state of mind at any time in his life makes absolutely no difference. What is described in "A Year in Treblinka" did not happen because it is impossible.

If you are ignorant of the difficulty in disposing of corpses or carcasses by cremation refer to my post:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9955

Bodies cannot be pile on huge grates and set on fire and burn to ashes. Nowhere did Wiernik ever mention in his tall tail anything about the massive amount of wood that would be required to cremate just a few hundred corpses, much less hundreds of thousands of them. Nor to my knowledge did any of his copycat writers.

It also does matter how many "eyewitnesses" there are to such an impossible event. It still could not and did not happen (unless you believe in miracles).

Anyone, including todays holocaust supporters, who supports Wiernik's lies is either very ignorant or is also a liar.

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Re: 'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblink

Postby Atigun » 3 weeks 4 days ago (Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:17 pm)

So, according to Roberto, rational people must believe Wiernik's lies because what he actually saw made him tell lies about what he saw. Uh-uh, Roberto, it ain't gonna' fly. Wiernik lied about the hermetically sealed gas chambers, he lied about the giant mass graves and he lied about the disposal of the cadavers. He lied about being hit over the head with a rifle butt no matter how you try to dress that little lie up. He lied about how the pistol bullet bounced off him during his escape. Those are just some of the lies from Wiernik, not a listing of all the witness tales from Dresden.

You try to turn the lies and the dubious documents into proof that hundreds of thousands of people were murdered with the exhaust from a diesel engine at Treblinka. That, of course, is after those hundreds of thousands (or millions) were killed in steam or vacuum chambers. What you have, Roberto, is a series of vicious wartime propaganda tales. The question remains, why would any rational people believe such lies? A rational person once exposed to the actual lies of the so-called eyewitnesses usually reacts first with disbelief and then anger that they have been fed such a line of horse frocky as real history. Most Jews take the holyhoax as an article of faith.

No, I DON'T think that fanatics such as yourself are rational, Roberto. You concoct the most spurious excuses for the lies of the holyhoaxers and then apparently expect people to believe such drivel. Disabuse yourself. Cremating hundreds of thousands of cadavers and pieces and parts of cadavers with no fuel simply isn't believable. Even setting them on fire with some twigs or brush doesn't come close to a believable scenario. It takes fuel to cremate human bodies and that simply wasn't available on the scale necessary to cremate those hundreds of thousands of cadavers allegedly at Treblinka.

Too bad, Roberto, but your attempt to rationalize the lies of such as Wiernik and Rachman simply doesn't work. You sound as if you've been hit over the head with a rifle butt.

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Re: 'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblink

Postby Hegwood » 3 weeks 36 minutes ago (Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:50 am)

Roberto,

Are you still there? I just wondered if you had any comment to my previous post on this thread?

It was not my intention to "destroy you" - to use currently popular vernacular. Nor did I intend to issue a "challenge". My sole aim was to demonstrate to you conclusively that the holocaust story about Treblinka that claims 750-900 thousand jews were murdered there describes a totally impossible event. It could not and did not happen. It is bogus in its entirety.

Also I believe my argument, aided by my post on the difficulties of corpse or carcass cremation, is so strong that I really did not expect a response and since you are a believer and have "faith" - that is believing what you really know ain't so - I do not expect to change you opinion.

Although I did not expect a response, there are reasons why I decided to prod you for a response.

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Re: 'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblink

Postby Mortimer » 2 weeks 6 days ago (Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:30 am)

roberto wrote:
Why not? Testimonies containing both claims that make sense and others that are nonsensical are the daily bread of criminal investigators, judges and historians. Testimonies that are wholly reliable or wholly unreliable are exceptions rather than the rule.


It is precisely because of these types of lies and exaggerations that John Demjanjuk was identified as "Ivan the Terrible" and almost hanged by the Israelis. WW2 has been over for more than 70 years so these types of lies should not be believed or given credence by the media or historians -
http://codoh.com/library/series/1518/

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Re: 'Holocaust Industy's' Roberto Muehlenkamp cites Yankel Wiernik as proof of extermination of 900,000 Jews at Treblink

Postby Revisionist » 2 weeks 4 days ago (Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:29 am)

I read a bit of "A Year in Treblinka" and stopped it after some chapters. I always had the feeling that Wiernik tries to manipulate the reader with emotions. He didn't describe the "events" exactly as possible. My interest dropped because of this.


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