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Austrian man convicted for Facebook post saying "Hitler did not gas any Jews"

Postby Sannhet » 2 weeks 4 days ago (Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:02 pm)

36-Year-Old Sentenced for Holocaust Denial
July 31, 2017

A 36-year-old Vorarlberg resident on Monday was sentenced by a Feldkirch court to one a one-year suspended prison term and a 1,440 Euro fine for violation of the Prohibition Law [Verbotsgesetz; a law outlawing the praising of the NS regime] and incitement to hatred. The defendant, a carpenter, had denied the Holocaust on Facebook and called Muslims "vermin" [Gesindel], among other things. The verdict is still open to appeal.

"Adolf Hitler did not gas any Jews, but Jews have gassed many non-Jews!" The father of three children had shared this and other messages on the social media platform with other Facebook users.
After at first admitting his guilt before the court, the defendant began to vehemently justify and make excuses for his posts. The defendant denied harboring any anti-foreign feelings. He himself has worked abroad and is married to a foreigner, he argued in his defense. At the time of the posts he acted foolishly, he claimed. In school he hardly learned anything about the Second World War. ..."My client does not have a particularly high level of education," his defense counsel asserted in the same vein.
Translated from the German section here at CODOH-Forum [Original].

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The good news:
(1) The jail term is suspended pending good behavior.
(2) The verdict is subject to appeal.

The bad news:
(1) He completely caved in and started begging for mercy. (Note: I cannot blame him with three young children...)
(2) No international human rights and free speech advocacy groups ever bother bringing this kind of case up.



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Re: Austrian man convicted for Facebook post saying "Hitler did not gas any Jews"

Postby Revisionist » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:46 pm)

It is not a good idea to post such things on facebook with your full name. Especially if it is illegal, because you risk to get denounced by some left wing activists. They report people who post mean things about immigrants regularly.

The bad news:
(1) He completely caved in and started begging for mercy. (Note: I cannot blame him with three young children...)
(2) No international human rights and free speech advocacy groups ever bother bringing this kind of case up.


1) I don't know if you can defend your holocaust views in Austria without getting extra charged. Germar Rudolf had this problem in Germany.

2)It might be because we are one of the most hated people in the public. No organisation wants to be associated with people who are viewed as nazi kooks. But it shows how serious they really take free speech.

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Re: Austrian man convicted for Facebook post saying "Hitler did not gas any Jews"

Postby Hektor » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:10 pm)

Revisionist wrote:It is not a good idea to post such things on facebook with your full name. Especially if it is illegal, because you risk to get denounced by some left wing activists. They report people who post mean things about immigrants regularly. ...


That's if you stay or frequently visit in countries that made differing from Holocaust dogma in public "illegal".

Although it's actually more credible to make statements against the Holocaust from a real, natural person profile. If it's a fake profile, it may look like trolling.

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Re: Austrian man convicted for Facebook post saying "Hitler did not gas any Jews"

Postby Sannhet » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:27 am)

It seems very easy for the political-police to use Facebook for their political prosecutions, since it is so centralized, has so many eyes on it all the time, and is usually attached to one's (real) name. The political-police don't even have to do any hard work...Just sit back and let the Holocaust Denial hate-crimes "roll in."

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Re: Austrian man convicted for Facebook post saying "Hitler did not gas any Jews"

Postby Werd » 2 weeks 2 days ago (Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:14 pm)

Hitler didn't gas any Jews. He was only supposed to have given the order to do so.

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Re: Austrian man convicted for Facebook post saying "Hitler did not gas any Jews"

Postby Sannhet » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:49 am)

Werd wrote:Hitler didn't gas any Jews. He was only supposed to have given the order to do so.

So would the following statement constitute a Hate Crime Against the Holocaust? --

"There was no Hitler order for killings of Jews, and evidence suggests Hitler had no knowledge of the gassings." [without explicitly denying that the purported mass gassings occurred].

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Re: Austrian man convicted for Facebook post saying "Hitler did not gas any Jews"

Postby Revisionist » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:01 am)

This could pass but you never know. They don't stick to the laws when they are prosecuting revisionists. This happened to Germar and Leuchter (see his 2015 interview with Jim Rizoli)
Raul Hilberg's books could be outlawed because he "belittles" the holocaust with his lower numbers. Same thing applies to Pressac's books because he also presents lower numbers.

A German asked once the Camp's museum guides critcal questions like where the remains of the dead people are. He got reported to the police afterwards.

It is really incredible how far the authorities and lobby groups go if you don't agree with the orthodox holocaust.

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Re: Austrian man convicted for Facebook post saying "Hitler did not gas any Jews"

Postby Hektor » 2 weeks 1 day ago (Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:57 pm)

Sannhet wrote:
Werd wrote:Hitler didn't gas any Jews. He was only supposed to have given the order to do so.

So would the following statement constitute a Hate Crime Against the Holocaust? --

"There was no Hitler order for killings of Jews, and evidence suggests Hitler had no knowledge of the gassings." [without explicitly denying that the purported mass gassings occurred].

The thing is that they didn't draw a clear line between what is allowed and isn't (according to them). So it's up to the prosecutor or judge. I think the legislation in Austria is called "Wiederbetaetigung". That means anything to "revive" National Socialism. And if the judge thinks you implied the Holocaust didn't happen, all he got to do is construe that you did so to further the goals of National Socialism.
With Germany it's different. There all you have to do is to belittle the Holocaust or any crime Germans were accused of under NS-Rule. Of course they virtually exclusively to jail people they consider "Holocaust Deniers".

You get the German legislative text here:
https://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/130.html


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