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Holocaust Group on Facebook

Postby Hektor » 6 days 5 hours ago (Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:59 pm)

This group describes itself as:
The Nazis and their leader Adolf Hitler have gone down in History infamous for the systematic and organised genocide of jews and other minority groups ever known to mankind. Please join to help remember the lives of the six million Jews, and five million Gypsies, Freemasons, Black Africans, Homosexuals, Politicians, Opponents, Partisans, Illegal POW's, Mentally/Physically disabled people, Poles and many more who were murdered under Hitler's Holocaust and unnecessary euthanasia programs.

Everyone is welcome here.

This group is not to be used as a vehicle for discussion on the Israel Palestine situation unless it directly relates. However, if your post is regarding Israel, and is relevant to the Holocaust, for example; survivors living in Israel or Yad Vashem, then please feel free to post away.

Not all active members are Jewish and we all hold different views, which emphasizes the fact that we are very open and welcoming to everyone here.

We are very lucky to have a Holocaust survivor here with us on the group (Ivan Gabor), if you wish to learn more about Ivan, his time during the Holocaust and other aspects his very interesting life, and to purchase his book, please visit:

http://ivangabor.com/


I noticed one specific post:
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The Camp de Rivesaltes was also known as Camp Joffre. It was opened as a French military camp in the commune of Rivesaltes in the department of Pyrénées-Orientales in the South of France. The camp was also used to detain civil populations several times between 1939 and 2007. It was to accomodate Catalan refufees from Franco's victory in Spain, but only a few Spanish refufgees were housed here. After the German invasion (May-June 1940). the Germans began deporting Jews to France. The decesion to murder Jews had not yet been taken. German Jews in Western Landen (Baden, the Saar, and the Palatinate), including some of the oldest German Jewish families, were deported in October 1940 to camps in the French Pyrenees (Gurs, Noé, Récébédou, and Rivesaltes). The death rate was very high because there were not even the most basic facilities. The camps were run by Vichy not German authorities. Once the German deat camps in Polabd were operational, the GErmans began deporting Jews from Western Europe. The Vichy authorities complied with German instructions. The first target was foreign Jews. The French transferred 2,251 Jews, including 110 children, from Rivesaltes via the Drancy internment camp to Auschwitz, where most were gassed upon arrival (August-October 1942).
http://histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/hol/kz ... rives.html


Link to post: https://web.facebook.com/groups/5992512 ... 048542224/

Then you get responses like:
Dolores Fabian This was absolute madness! Did none of these perpetrators have any souls? This is beyond cruelty. These helpless and innocents that weren't even aware what was happening and no parent around to comfort them. HaShem, HaShem.

Leonas Kaplanas Yes, my heart is bleeding ...i have seen many similar fotos like this. Do you remember the girl in the red coat from Shindlers list? My father have lost his first born at age 7 at the kinderaction, so i could have a brother. His name was Leizerke..

Melody Ziff Sadly, these precious babies, in all reality, must have been slaughtered by the vermin Nazis. I do not understand how ANYONE could hurt a child, especially in the ways they did--and with glee! And some other sicko Nazi was always there to "document" the callous extermination of our children...and our people. Check with Yad Vashem, they may be helpful in identifying the children.

Anita Murphy It's just so hard to look at pictures like this.. absolutely inexcusable the horrendous acts of cruelty carried out.. the future generations that the world was denied . just rips the very heart and soul out you



The photo only shows a number of toddlers and children playing outside of what seems to be a wooden structure. There is absolutely nothing cruel or horrendous to see on the picture. Yet those responding post comments in this regard. This just shows you the level of conditioning firm Holocaust believers have undergone. Anything, as harmless as it may be becomes "proof" of a "horrible Holocaust".



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Re: Holocaust Group on Facebook

Postby Sannhet » 6 days 5 hours ago (Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:26 pm)

help remember the lives of the six million Jews, and five million Gypsies, Freemasons, Black Africans, Homosexuals, Politicians, Opponents, Partisans, Illegal POW's, Mentally/Physically disabled people, Poles and many more
Ah, yes, the "five millions others" claim. Continued reference to the Five Million Others shows that Holocaust Believers do not think critically, but are rather as people religiously conditioned. The Five Million Others is just an arbitrarily made up number, and even the inner core of Holocaust Belief Enforcers concede it is just made up.

From Holocaust-Pusher Roberto Muehlenkamp:
This figure [the "five million others"] apparently goes back to Simon Wiesenthal, who “invented” it “in order to make the non-Jews feel like they are part of us” – at least this is what Wiesenthal, according to a lecture by Walter Reich about “The Use and Abuse of Holocaust Memory”, told Holocaust historian Yehuda Bauer. Wiesenthal’s statement is also referred to in Michael Berenbaum’s obituary to Simon Wiesenthal, published in Forward in September 2005:
Actually, Wiesenthal's most well-known philosophical battle was with Wiesel. The two squared off indirectly in the late 1970s over the question of who were the true victims of the Holocaust; that is, was the Holocaust a Jewish event or a universal event? Wiesel argued that the Holocaust was a uniquely Jewish experience, settling the role of non-Jews in the Holocaust with the turn of a phrase: "While not all victims were Jews, all Jews were victims."

Wiesenthal, in contrast, argued that the Holocaust was the death of 11 million people, 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews. The figure was invented: If we consider all civilian non-Jewish deaths, then it is too small; if we consider only those who died at the hands of the Nazi killing apparatus, then it is too large.[emphasis mine – RM] But the central point was Wiesenthal's belief that the inclusion of non-Jews was essential to his postwar commitment. Nations had to feel that they had lost their own if they were to bring the war criminals to justice.
Note: "The figure was invented" :? by Simon Wiesenthal, to get gentiles on board with the Holocaust.

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Re: Holocaust Group on Facebook

Postby Hektor » 6 days 2 hours ago (Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:49 pm)

Sannhet wrote:
help remember the lives of the six million Jews, and five million Gypsies, Freemasons, Black Africans, Homosexuals, Politicians, Opponents, Partisans, Illegal POW's, Mentally/Physically disabled people, Poles and many more
Ah, yes, the "five millions others" claim. Continued reference to the Five Million Others shows that Holocaust Believers do not think critically, but are rather as people religiously conditioned. The Five Million Others is just an arbitrarily made up number, and even the inner core of Holocaust Belief Enforcers concede it is just made up.
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Yes, the additionally made up "five million Nazi victims" sometimes included in "the Holocaust".
They also offer this as package deal together with other issues that aren't necessarily in dispute like partisan/reprisal killings or Euthanasia, which was actually stopped, because people in Germany protested against it.

"Religiously Conditioned" in some sense, but I think it's a wider phenomenon of social-psychological nature. People are manipulated by repeated playing on their emotion first causing an unfreezing, but also changing, once they're refrozen it it, it's difficult to change their mind without unfreezing them again. "Authority figures" play an important role here. And take it, people believe the Holocaust narrative, because they hear about it in school and media and get it affirmed by authority figures like teachers, academics, celebrities, clergy and people from their social environment they consider as authority.


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