Delousing trains and mass extermination

[offlineTRUTHATLAST]

If there was a way to kill a lot of people quickly this was it.
(Article following)

Yet what do we hear said.
The Germans rounded up the Jews and others, put them in railroad cars shipped them to Germany and Poland, and killed them there.
Hmmm! Wouldn't it be easier to load them on the trains where they lived
gassed them in those trains and dump them off, where they lived?

So what this shows was, the Jews were used for other purposes (like slave labor) and pretty much worked to death, if that did happen, and there wasn't an "extermination policy.
Simple!




Whole article with pictures!

http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/7/1/Berg73-94.html

The Railroad Delousing Tunnels

The abundance of Zyklon-B delousing chambers, even within concentration camps, is in itself a major problem for the accepted "Holocaust" story because here were well-designed pilot plants for committing mass-murder on a relatively small scale before attempting to kill on a massive scale; here were the ideal models to follow in order to construct scaled-up versions for mass-murder. Here was the proper technology for mass-murder with cyanide-but this technology, the delousing chamber technology, was supposedly never used for such a purpose.
More surprising is the fact that large, scaled-up versions of the small delousing chambers actually did exist in locations which were far more accessible than any of the so-called extermination camps. Those chambers employed the same circulatory principle and used Zyklon-B to fumigate railroad trains-but, those chambers were never used for mass-murder either.
Larger chambers for fumigating entire railroad trains existed throughout German-occupied Europe in about a dozen different locations including Cologne, Poznan (Posen), Potsdam, and Budapest.[20] They had become a standard feature of the railroad network in order to prevent the spread of typhus, particularly from Eastern Europe, where typhus had always been endemic.
The would-be murderers could have simply brought railroad cars filled with Jews into these large chambers, one or two cars at a time, killed the intended victims and then ventilated the cars within just a few hours. Each gassing, including venting of one or two railroad cars, would have still taken at least one-and-a-half hours-far longer than the half-hour which is all that was supposedly needed at Auschwitz according to Hoss and others.[21]
By using the railroad delousing tunnels, which ranged in size from about 400 cubic meters to as much as 1700 cubic meters, the mass-murderers would not have had to transport their intended victims halfway across Europe in the midst of a war in which Germany was desperately trying to conserve meager resources such as railroads and fuel.

[offline Hannover]

said:

So what this shows was, the Jews were used for other purposes (like slave labor) and pretty much worked to death, if that did happen, and there wasn't an "extermination policy.

There are many 'extermination' methods that the Germans could have used had they wanted to, the last of which would have been the bulky, time-release pesticide, Zyklon-B, and absurd diesel exhaust.
read more from F.P. Berg at the homepage:
http://fpberg.yourforum.org

As for the 'worked to death' bit, it doesn't make sense given the Germans desperate need for labor and the fact that Himmler himself ordered that all efforts be made to protect the health of the workers in the camps.

In my opinion, these 'worked to death' claims are the disease victims, mainly typhus.

It should be mentioned that both sides used forced ('slave') labor, both sides had concentration camps.

- Hannover

[offlineTRUTHATLAST]

"In my opinion, these 'worked to death' claims are the disease victims, mainly typhus. "



I agree, but was looking at it from the Holoco$$ts peoples view.
I believe the people in the camps were mainly there to work, and there were some camps that were for detention, for criminals and seditionist etc.
I wouldn't doubt that some of the horrible stories of treatment to the inmates in these detention camps are the ones we hear most about.
The treatment in these camps were no different than any prison.
Your going to have abuses happen.
No different than any prison today.

Again the whole point of the railroad cars was to show you didn't need a camp setting to kill people.
A drop of Sarin gas ( I believe thats what its called) would of done it for all.

[offline Hannover]

You're quite correct, the Germans had nerve gasses aplenty, principally tabun, which would have been far more effective.

Curious isn't it; the Germans could have used these gasses not only for supposedly 'exterminating Jews', but in critical combat situations. They chose not to even as German civilians were being intentionally targeted and illegally firebombed on a daily basis.

- Hannover

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7050/

A factory for production of this first nerve agent was built and a total of ***12 000 tonnes** of tabun were produced during the years three years (1942-1945). At the end of the second world war the Allies seized large quantities of this nerve agent and other nerve agents that Schrader and his co-workers has synthesised.
They synthesised about 2 000 new organo-phosphorus compounds, including sarin (1938). The third of the "classic" nerve agents, soman, was first produced in 1944. These three nerve agents are known as G agents in the American nomenclature. The manufacture of sarin never started properly and up to 1945 only about 0.5 tonne of this nerve agent was produced in a pilot plant.

Tabun: The first purpose made nerve agent.

Nerve gasses on the whole tend not to be gasses at all but a fine suspension of volatile liquids in air. This actually makes them just as effective as a gas but easier to store and to disperse ***making them a far better weapon***.

[offlineTRUTHATLAST]

It seems to me the Germans were more principled in combat.
The men were as far as I can see more disciplined.
The allies seemed to treat people worse, but you won't convinced any Jews of that.
They always will point to the horrific pictures of mangled dead bodies and say "see how evil the Germans were", when in reality those poor people most likely died of typhus, or starved, because of the allies.
When you strategically bomb the railroad stations, and roads that bring food and supplies into those "concentration camps" actually work camps, what would you expect.

The world has to put the blame on some group of people and the Germans fit the bill perfectly, they were the ones who wouldn't run with the rest of the countries.
They more of less took care of themselves.
But then again they could of been in cahoots with the allies on some deals.
Who knows?
I am open to any inquiries that show what really went on.

[offlineMaly Jacek]

These who benefit from "holohoax" will do anything to stop any impartial and objectives inquires

[offlineTemporary on hold]

Interesting that Berg isolates a wire mesh device for the intended clothes fumigation machine. This mesh basket was used in advanced fumigation machinery. So we have located a wire mesh Zyklon device.

What does that tell us? It probably tells us that holocaust promoters found this mesh basket blueprint and immediately applied it to homicidal gassings. Muller's eye-witness account doesn't tell of a mesh basket in Morgue I but instead tells of a fantastic spiral distributor different than that described by NIZKOR.

Another interesting fact is that cyanide gas from these delousing chambers was vented right into the air above the camp. The venting stack was high enough that the vented cyanide diluted enough to be harmless.


Berg's main point is that the Germans were well aware of the need to pre-heat and circulate cyanide gas for best performance in fumigation. As evidenced in the DEGESCH chambers, their most advanced fumigation machinery was constructed this way. Therefore there was no reason for them to construct a homicidal chamber without this equipment as the alleged gas chambers at Birkenau were. Berg does a good job of showing that the Germans were well aware of the need to circulate Zyklon for effectiveness. They never would have built a homicidal chamber without this machinery...

[offline comrade seinfeld]

I don't think that the notion of death trains would have been a very practicable way to carry out the alleged extermination of the Jews. Quite apart from the fact that such a method of extermination would have quickly become a matter of general knowledge, particularly if members of the presumably Leftist railway unions would have been involved, then, when the SS guards would have to been withdrawn from the train, before the onset of the gassing, then the Jews, with the help of materials stored in their luggage, would have set about to demolish the train, in order to escape the gassing, even if it meant they were likely to be shot.

As I understand it the notion that we have today about how the homicidal gas chambers were supposed to operate at Auschwitz, as well as at places like Treblinka, was not generally current during the actual war, which was meant to be mainly by means of mass shooting, as well as various bizarre notions of gassing, that are not taken seriously today. Moreover, such a place as Auschwitz was not regarded as a death camp until relatively late in the war, since, according to exterminationists such as Martin Gilbert, the Germans were very cunning to conceal what really happened at Auschwitz, so that it was only accidentally bombed, at worst. If there had been these death trains, however, as I said, I am sure that it would have quickly become widely known, so that, if the exterminationists are correct (and, as an agnostic, I do not entirely rule out the notion, although I don't know how it is ever going to be definitely disproved by revisionists, as most people think it it quite plausible to confine people to some sort of room and gas them in one way or another), it would have been roughly by means expounded by the exterminationists today, as is supposed to have happened at Auschwitz and Treblinka.

[offline Hannover]

the comrade said:

... although I don't know how it is ever going to be definitely disproved by revisionists, as most people think it it quite plausible to confine people to some sort of room and gas them in one way or another), it would have been roughly by means expounded by the exterminationists today, as is supposed to have happened at Auschwitz and Treblinka.

Utterly incorrect. Revisionists have thoroughly refuted (the comrade prefers "disproved") the claims about the gas chambers as expounded for Auschwitz and Treblinka. Perhaps the comrade should actually read Revisionist research on the matter. And no, the story is not simply a case of putting people in a room and gassing them; there are specific methods, facilities, and numbers alleged which are quite absurd and impossible by rules of science and logic.

If the comrade thinks that trains would have been impractical, he should read the ridiculous claims that are made about the alleged gas chambers.

Under these circumstances one has to wonder how long someone can truly remain an 'agnostic'.

- Hannover

[offlineTRUTHATLAST]

http://www.corax.org/revisionism/nonsense/nonsense.html



Remarkable Nonsense about the Holocaust

Because the Holocaust has become in many ways a secular religion -- even for those who are not Jewish -- one is not permitted to say anything that can in any way be construed as less than fawning about the plight of the Jews in Europe. Likewise, one is permitted to say just about anything that supports the popular view of the Holocaust, no matter how erroneous or wrong-headed. Here are some passages that contain remarkable nonsense about the Holocaust.


Some Examples check link uptop for whole article

Killed with sand (8/11/1942)
Electrocutions at Belzec (1946)
Making soap (1946)
The Case of the Obvious Autopsies (1/14/1946)
Pedal-Actuated Brain-Bashing Machine at Sachsenhausen (2/13/1946)
Portable Bone-Grinding Machines (2/14/1946)
Shooting Orchestra Members (2/14/1946)
Tormenting prisoners in Norway (2/14/1946)
More Bone Grinders (2/18/1946)
The Magically Efficient Crematorymobiles (2/19/1946)
Mass Electrocutions (2/19/1946)
Extermination by Pruning (2/19/1946)
Nazi use of Atomic Weapons to Kill Jews (6/21/1946)
Eyewitness 'Testimony' of a Gas Chamber Survivor (1949)
Geysers of Blood at Babi Yar (1972)
Death by eagle at Buchenwald (11/10/1988)
'Instantaneous' Two-Day-Long Gassings (6/1/1989)
Making human soap (1990)
Communist 'Holocaust denial' (11/26/1991)
The river that runs red with the ashes of Jews (7/13/1992)
Gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen (8/5/1993)
A Jew who survived six gassings (8/5/1993)
Soap for sale (4/3/1995)
Human soap Tells an Unforgettable Story (6/8/1997)
Definition of 'Holocaust Survivors' (8/13/1997)
USHMM Recommends Wilkomirski (9/10/1997)
Mourning the liar Ada Bimko (Hadassah Rosensaft) (10/17/1997)
'I saw millions of people go directly to the gas chambers' (12/11/1997)
The Nazis might be coming! (1998)
Rosenbaum's extended family (6/26/1998)
Wealthy Deniers (6/28/1998)
Millions of deaths at Auschwitz (7/10/1998)
A Discussion to Limit Holocaust 'Denial' (7/30/1998)
Jewish children burned alive at site of Auschwitz crosses (7/31/1998)
Auschwitz ashes (8/18/1998)
Toward a Revisionist International (10/26/1998)
Superman Didn't Help the Jews (10/31/1998)
Tearing Babies in Half (11/1998)
Horror Stories from the Gas Chambers of Auschwitz (11/1998)
Invented 'Memories' Praised (11/3/1998)
Learning Hate (11/5/1998)
Playing for your life in Auschwitz (11/6/1998)
Miracle Ashes (11/7/1998)
The Murderer as Artist (12/1/1998)
Gerhart Riegner Recalls Attempts to Alert World to Holocaust (1/11/1999)
Fighting Republicans like fighting Nazis (1/25/1999)
FEB EXECS AZA/BBG Joint Meeting Minutes (2/1999)
Henry Kissinger's Relatives were made into soap (2/13/1999)
Nazi Animal Control (2/19/1999)
Nazis were NOT fashion-forward (2/22/1999)
Putting a human face on horror (2/25/1999)
Death by Denier (3/6/1999)
Non-white, Nazi, Gestapo-like park rangers (3/16/1999)
Annihilation through Catholicism (3/17/1999)
Smoking Crematories (3/24/1999)
Netanyahu Links Nazi Genocide To Recognition Of A Palestinian State (3/26/1999)
French Jews see restitution differently (3/29/1999)
Mass executions at Buchenwald (4/18/1999)
Crimes of the Holocaustologians (4/21/1999)
I'll never forget the (non-existent) gas chambers at Dachau (4/28/1999)
It's Lucky They Weren't Electrocuted (5/5/1999)
Fat-Free Soap (5/6/1999)
My Five Years in the Death Camps, and How They Grew (6/12/1999)
I Just Made it Up -- How Could I Forget It? (7/26/1999)
Court Reporter Still Haunted (7/30/1999)
Suicide Drama To Be Staged Posthumously In London (9/21/1999)
No 'Mein Kampf' But Adolf Cartoon Fine (10/15/1999)
Israel takes stand in Judaism debate (11/23/1999)
LA Times gets it wrong (1/14/2000)
'You could smell the bodies burning ..." (1/18/2000)
No gas today! (2/10/2000)
Too old to be gassed (2/21/2000)
Trucks to Camouflage the Noise of Gassing (2/29/2000)
No Breakfast for Breakfast (3/29/2000)
Jewish Groups Lament anti-Semitism (4/5/2000)
Speech by Yossi Sarid (5/2/2000)
Nazi Eye Drops (5/25/2000)
New Holocaust memoir (7/17/2000)
Death by quicklime (7/31/2000)
Rabbi's Inflammatory Holocaust Remarks Spark Controversy (8/6/2000)
A Preserved Mound of Ashes at Majdanek (8/23/2000)
First the Holocaust, Now This (11/10/2000)
Bergen-Belsen gas chambers (1/14/2000)
Holocaust Education and Awareness Act of 2001 (2/6/2001)
Ban the Shamrock (2/18/2001)
Actors gain painful look into the past (3/17/2001)
HR 1620 Holocaust Education Assistance Act (4/26/2001)
Extermination at Wannsee Conference
Flawlessly efficient gas chamber fails (5/24/2001)
Ken Kipperman and The Table of Horrors (6/24/2001)
The Secret History of World War II (7/1/2001)
Outrage at Wagner (7/9/2001)
Another Jewish Life Cut Tragically Short by the Nazis (7/23/2001)
The pool that's not really a pool (spotted 8/1/2001)
Israel Today is Like Nazi Germany (8/26/2001)
Jewish annihilation planned at Wannsee Conference (8/27/2001)
Lanzmann's Geese (10/1/2001)
More Jewish Soap (12/28/2001)
A Subtle Form of Holocaust Denial (1/16/2002)
Fined for Stating a Fact about Dachau
A New Way of Remembering the Shoah
Assembly Bill AB 2003
Eyewitness Dr. Professor Survivor Sir, Esq. (5/5/2003)
Just Say the Holocaust Never Happened at All (9/5/2003)
Magazine accused of aiding Holocaust (10/31/2003)
Magical tattoos from a man who 'saw it all' (12/19/2003)
Kids love the Holocaust (1/30/2004)
Leuchter worse than McNamara (2/4/2004)
Gassings at Dachau (3/26/2004)
Arab Anti-Semitism in Europe is Integral to European Culture (3/30/2004)
Nazi euthanasia to create a master race (4/1/2004)
Brain-wash a child for Israel (4/2/2004)
'Holocaust survivor' succumbs to real Holocaust (4/6/2004)
Gas Showers at Auschwitz (4/5/2004)
Nobody Cares about the Holocaust (4/5/2004)
Holocaust on Your Plate (4/7/2004)
Yet Another Witness (4/9/2004)
Inside View of the Holocaust (4/16/2004)
Another Miracle Sighet Survivor (4/20/2004)
More Jewish Soap (4/21/2004)
Gas showers at Auschwitz (5/6/2004)
Smelly crematories (5/11/2004)
NOW we have the proof (5/13/2004)
Gas chambers at Terezienstadt (5/22/2004)

[offline comrade seinfeld]

the comrade said:

... although I don't know how it is ever going to be definitely disproved by revisionists, as most people think it it quite plausible to confine people to some sort of room and gas them in one way or another), it would have been roughly by means expounded by the exterminationists today, as is supposed to have happened at Auschwitz and Treblinka.

Utterly incorrect. Revisionists have thoroughly refuted (the comrade prefers "disproved") the claims about the gas chambers as expounded for Auschwitz and Treblinka. Perhaps the comrade should actually read Revisionist research on the matter. And no, the story is not simply a case of putting people in a room and gassing them; there are specific methods, facilities, and numbers alleged which are quite absurd and impossible by rules of science and logic.

If the comrade thinks that trains would have been impractical, he should read the ridiculous claims that are made about the alleged gas chambers.

Under these circumstances one has to wonder how long someone can truly remain an 'agnostic'.

- Hannover

I have read a lot of material about the alleged homicidal gas chambers (as well as all the material by the exterminationists) by avowed revisionists at this forum, and others, and although it is all quite plausible, it can never really be totally convincing, mainly because, it seems to me, there could quite possibly have been a technically feasible way to exterminate the Jews (and others), particularly those who could not be utilised as forced labour. Thus, since it does not seem to me to be possible to totally technically rule out the possibility of homicidal gas chambers, whether at Auschwitz or anywhere else, and especially since the revisionists at this forum, and elsewhere, only constitute a tiny minority of, mostly, amateur historians, by contrast with the hordes of professional historians throughout the Western world, who, as a matter of course, assume that homicidal gas chambers were employed by the Nazis, I could not possibly publicly proclaim a total avowal of the revisionist position, beyond a position of skeptical agnosticism -- which, for all practical purposes, is surely effective in political terms, as regards the ideological oppression of the "Holocaust" myth.

Only recently, for instance, at a film festival in the city in which I live, there was a Czech film called "The Cremator" (with English subtitles), which was more or less exterminationist propaganda ( http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/film.jsp?id=124031 ), and there was recently another Dutch film called "Twin Sisters" ( http://www.filmfund.lu/filmfund.lu/cu/mg/fc/list/00093/ ) released for general distribution, which had a "Holocaust" theme. These were art films meant for the intelligentsia, and both these films make the assumption that the exterminationist thesis about the "Holocaust" is correct, which just goes to show how virtually impossible it is for the revisionist perspective to make headway in the current political climate (although I would like to think that awareness of the political influence of Zionism in relation to the American intervention into Iraq would eventually make a difference, as the Yanks become bogged down, rather analogous to the situation in Vietnam, which ultimately ended the demonization of the notion of Communism).

As I said, nearly all professional historians do not accept the revisionist thesis propounded mostly in this forum, and, while it is true that it could be said that it is not politically permissible to candidly discuss the issue at tertiary educational institutions, I would doubt that there were many covert revisionist historians, as they just assume that the exterminiationist thesis (as understood by revisionists) is correct, as there is such thorough ideological brainwashing. A big problem for revisionists, I would imagine, is that they do not have the resources to propagate the perspective of a tiny minority, so that, assuming that the revisionist thesis is correct, I think that it will be a very long time before the public popularity of the exterminationist thesis will be threatened. The way world events are shaping up, however, as regards the struggle with Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, in relation to which the destiny of Israel is intimately connected (and, therefore, the validity of the notion of the "Holocaust"), could possibly result in a reversal of ideological hegemony as regards the "Holocaust" sooner than we think.

The biggest problem that revisionists face, however, in obtaining public acceptance, is the fact that the Nazis were indulging in ethnic cleansing, which, in effect, meant the death of somewhat less than the exterminationist notion of six million, from all sorts of causes, ranging from direct execution, starvation, disease, and all the consequences of seeking to deport a complete racial group from one continent to another, in the the midst of a world war. Thus, even if it is assumed that the Germans sought to carry out their ethnic cleansing of the Jews by the most humane means possible, then, quite apart from the fact that the objective consequences of their efforts resulted in the death and suffering of significant numbers, probably ranging into the millions, the fact is that the notion of ethnic cleansing is, in terms of conventional morality, totally invalid, for which those responsible in the Nazi hierarchy clearly deserved capital punishment, in order to protect all of us, no matter who we might be, from such exercises of ethnic cleansing in the future. I would think, therefore, that as far as the public mind is concerned, there would be a misconception that avowed revisionists, through their efforts to emphasize what they would say are the exaggerations of the "Holocaust", are, in fact, seeking to excuse what was the ethnic cleansing of the Nazis, which is generally regarded as totally immoral. Therefore, it is a pressing task on the part of authenic revisionists to convince the general public that they are not seeking to whitewash the Nazis, but rather to point out what are the mistakes in historical understanding concerning the "Holocaust", which are politically capitalised on by particular forces in the world, probably to the detriment of all.

[offline Hannover]

comrade said:

...there could quite possibly have been a technically feasible way to exterminate the Jews (and others)....

No, there was not; not according to the way the official story is described. Why does he keep repeating himself? The story has specific methods that are claimed which are utterly impossible, as demonstrated by Revisionists at this forum and elsewhere. Can comrade refute the Revisionist efforts?

then:

...which just goes to show how virtually impossible it is for the revisionist perspective to make headway in the current political climate

Impossible? Hardly. Arrests, fines, job loss, and imprisonment of Revisionists debunks that assertion. Revisionism is now a worldwide phenomenon, take note of the various publications, news stories on both hemispheres. I suggest comrade actually read the posts here which discuss them. Revisionism has never been bigger and can only grow. Frankly, I sense wishful thinking by our esteemed comrade.

and:

The biggest problem that revisionists face, however, in obtaining public acceptance, is the fact that the Nazis were indulging in ethnic cleansing, which, in effect, meant the death of somewhat less than the exterminationist notion of six million, from all sorts of causes, ranging from direct execution, starvation, disease, and all the consequences of seeking to deport a complete racial group from one continent to another, in the the midst of a world war. Thus, even if it is assumed that the Germans sought to carry out their ethnic cleansing of the Jews by the most humane means possible, then, quite apart from the fact that the objective consequences of their efforts resulted in the death and suffering of significant numbers, probably ranging into the millions, the fact is that the notion of ethnic cleansing is, in terms of conventional morality, totally invalid, for which those responsible in the Nazi hierarchy clearly deserved capital punishment, in order to protect all of us, no matter who we might be, from such exercises of ethnic cleansing in the future. I would think, therefore, that as far as the public mind is concerned, there would be a misconception that avowed revisionists, through their efforts to emphasize what they would say are the exaggerations of the "Holocaust", are, in fact, seeking to excuse what was the ethnic cleansing of the Nazis, which is generally regarded as totally immoral. Therefore, it is a pressing task on the part of authenic revisionists to convince the general public that they are not seeking to whitewash the Nazis, but rather to point out what are the mistakes in historical understanding concerning the "Holocaust", which are politically capitalised on by particular forces in the world, probably to the detriment of all.

"Somewhat less than the exterminationist notion of six million"?
As if comrade has evidence for deaths in the "millions", which he has not. All the while ignoring the vast atrocities and ethnic cleansing of the Allies; and not to mention genocidal Zionist 'Israel'.

If comrade has some points he would like to make in threads on specific assertions/allegations, I certainly welcome him to make them and accept the challenges that will undoubtedly be presented to him for evidence.

Whitewash the Nazis? There's nothing to 'whitewash' that the Allies and countries worldwide weren't already doing. In fact the Allied mass murder utterly dwarfs anything that can be shown as true about the Germans. As the expression goes: 'there's the Nazis with the 6,000,000 and gas chambers, and there's the Nazis without the 6,000,000 and gas chambers.

comrade's attempts to tar & feather Revisionist as "evil Nazis" appears to be the classic smear & distract tactic, common when Believer arguments cannot withstand Revisionist scrutiny and rebuttal.

Perhaps the lack of apparent agnosticism by comrade has finally come to the fore and is shaping his views. I suggest he describe his views more realistically. And better yet, he should debate his beliefs point by point in specific threads. Will he? Can he? Does he have evidence for his "millions". Can he show how the so called gas chambers stories are "feasible" as alleged? I somehow doubt it.

- Hannover

[offlineTRUTHATLAST]

Maybe
Mr Comrade can explain this to me.
They said in the beginning 4 million people died in Auschwitz, the revisionist said the figure was highly inflated.
So after some time we see the figure was lowered to 1.1 million, still high but at least a good cut.
Inspite of the revised lower figure, the total figure for deaths remain 6 million.
So Mr. Comrade, how good is your math, 6mill-3 mill=3 mill in my book.
Yet we still have the elusive 6 mill figure still thrown in our face.
I guess the Jews are bad in math, but when it comes to reparations, they have the figures down to the last man!

[offlinefreethinker]

Maybe
Mr Comrade can explain this to me.
They said in the beginning 4 million people died in Auschwitz, the revisionist said the figure was highly inflated.
So after some time we see the figure was lowered to 1.1 million, still high but at least a good cut.
Inspite of the revised lower figure, the total figure for deaths remain 6 million.
So Mr. Comrade, how good is your math, 6mill-3 mill=3 mill in my book.
Yet we still have the elusive 6 mill figure still thrown in our face.
I guess the Jews are bad in math, but when it comes to reparations, they have the figures down to the last man!

Kind of wonder... reparation$ from the W. Germany but not from Soviet occupied Germany... Weird, is it not?

[offlinekk]

Therefore, it is a pressing task on the part of authenic revisionists to convince the general public that they are not seeking to whitewash the Nazis, but rather to point out what are the mistakes in historical understanding concerning the "Holocaust", which are politically capitalised on by particular forces in the world, probably to the detriment of all.

Well said. We need only the truth. But we also need the WHOLE truth.

Thus, even if it is assumed that the Germans sought to carry out their ethnic cleansing of the Jews by the most humane means possible, then, quite apart from the fact that the objective consequences of their efforts resulted in the death and suffering of significant numbers, probably ranging into the millions, the fact is that the notion of ethnic cleansing is, in terms of conventional morality, totally invalid, for which those responsible in the Nazi hierarchy clearly deserved capital punishment, in order to protect all of us, no matter who we might be, from such exercises of ethnic cleansing in the future

What about the ethnic cleansing of the germans from eastern Europe AFTER WWII?
( 16 million of whom almost 2 million died, if my memory serves me right)
Who got then the capital punishment, "for our protection"?

I think the problem was (and is) much larger than politics. It was a reversion to
barbarism, starting with FDR's demand for "unconditional surrender" in
January '43, which was an american re-invention of the civil war years, and ending...
well, I don't think it really ended.