Barre wrote:And Kiwichap if you claim that German sodliers where saints and they NEVER ever commited crimes or executions than that is a joke, these are facts and i dont feel the need to prove the obvious to you, its not me but you who has the problem..by the way i tought revisionists didnt deny those things, they only deny holocaust as a planned extermination, i think i am in the wrong site here.
Barre wrote:Marques , maybe they did, maybe they didnt but you cant go around invading other countries and than complain if they fight back, it was Hitler himself who wanted the total war and he got well served (tho i am sure some one will find a way to 'prove' he wanted world peace )..
the Geneva convention is a joke and i think it is broken in every war this world has seen..
i think i will stick to the holocau$t for now
Kiwichap wrote:I hope Barre can come up with at least one evidential German war crime. Otherwise, I just may have to think the Germans were saints...
That's an appeal to probability. Since probably there would have been a few crimes committed by German soldiers, given the size of their army. Just don't mention that the same applies to the Allies Western included. This is however included. The next step is then to imply that the Germans did worse then the Allies, hence the crimes committed against Germans were justified don't have to be condemned that much.And Kiwichap if you claim that German sodliers where saints and they NEVER ever commited crimes or executions than that is a joke, these are facts and i dont feel the need to prove the obvious to you, its not me but you who has the problem..
Kiwichap wrote:ASMarques; "There is enough evidence for me to accept that German and/or German controlled police forces did commit massacres of Jews in places like Liepaja/Libau or Mitzoch in the Ukraine."
You have evidence, good, lets have it then, or are you implying, There is enough evidence for YOU?
ASMarques: "The order to shoot uniformed political commissars is also clearly criminal"
I see, The Russians would not accept any rules of engagement. So when the Commissars forced the Russian troops to shoot Germans, thats fine, but for Germans to shoot Commissars, that's a crime.
I would have shot every Commissar I could get in my sights. I would have taken NO Prisoners when it came to the Russians. Why should I spend the rest of the war looking over my shoulder to see if some guy, who has no rules, hasn't escaped and is sneaking up on me?
ASM: "Also a lot of what the Einsatzgruppen were doing in the rear must be looked upon as criminal"
Says you! You have more evidence, great, lets have it then.
ASM: "And, of course, last but not least, mass deportations and enslavement in labor camps are not legitimate".
Oh please, next you will be telling us the war was a crime and the Germans started it.
ASM: "there is a certain set of unwritten rules.."
Are there? I think different, All things are fair in love and war. Of cause, if you have signed the rules for engagement, and then go against them, that's a different story. That's a crime. Where there is no law, no rules, there cannot be a crime. Unless it is all in your head of cause, ASMarques.
You miss the point ASMarques. We can let ourselves believe anything we want. And we do.
Since WWII We have been filled to overflowing with what the evil nasty wicked Germans did, just being German is a crime. Nearly everything we are told about Germans and WWII is told through the cracked glasses of World Jewry. These idiots live in a world where truth is no defense. They throw good folk in prison. There is no discussion. I am not inclined to believe a word they say. They need to change their behavior if they want me on side. I don't buy emotional claptrap or tyranny.
Even Riga is shrouded in claptrap. Where is the evidence?
All we know is something happened, and when Hitler found out, he forbade it. The Einsatzgruppen are now the Jews favorite whipping boy. Jews have been having such a sorrowful time arguing against the science of invisible gas chambers, that for the last couple of years they have been miserably scraping together anything of a sensational nature that they can, to bolster their flagging fable. Mathis had almost thrown in the towel re gas chambers. His holocaust all took place on the Eastern front, where folk were doing all the shooting. Talk about desperately scraping the bottom of the barrel in search of a holocaust. No wonder he's on sabbatical.
Yeah, German war crimes have as much credibility as the holocaust. ZERO. I reckon the Germans were saints, and if the Jews don't like me saying it, then they will have to stop behaving like devils, before Ill give a hoot.
I think the post war propaganda has gotten to you ASMarques, you are ready to believe the worst. Woulda, coulda, mighta, equals must have! huh?
Hektor wrote:Another issue is that "we-have-to-accept-that-Germans-did-at-least-a-few-things-wrong" - quoting Barre:And Kiwichap if you claim that German sodliers where saints and they NEVER ever commited crimes or executions than that is a joke, these are facts and i dont feel the need to prove the obvious to you, its not me but you who has the problem..
That's an appeal to probability.
Hektor wrote:Since probably there would have been a few crimes committed by German soldiers, given the size of their army.
In case you are still asking for an instance lets try :
The destruction of Oradour by 2nd SS panzer div on the charge of harbouring members of the resistance.