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Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby Jazz » 5 years 3 months ago (Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:51 pm)

I just thought I'd post this video I found on YouTube from the 1985 documentary 'The Search For Mengele'. It reminded me of Irene Zisblatt and how she claims Mengele removed her tattoo, and this: http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... ele#p47450




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Re: Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 5 years 3 months ago (Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:31 pm)

No one personifies the "evils of the Nazis" more than Dr. Josef Mengele. I have collected a number of materials about Mengele over the years including one of his published essays and his SS personnel records which show that he himself contracted typhus while at Auschwitz. He was a thoroughly decent and admirable man in every respect whose principal shortcoming was his choice of a name. I never came across even the vaguest shred of documentation that he ever conducted any atrocious procedures or experiments anywhere, ever. The case against him is all blah-blah from the likes of Ada Bimko and Eva Kor and Irene Zisblatt! It is incredible how Mengele has been vilified entirely on the basis of such blah-blah. Shame on the press and "scholars" for being so vile and stupid.

If anyone has ever seen a shred of documentation of any atrocious procedures or experiments by Mengele, please post it here.

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Re: Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby Jazz » 5 years 3 months ago (Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:24 am)

Here's eye-witness testimony from Vera Alexander:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOvuVRqirkk[/youtube]


What a liar lol.

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Re: Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » 5 years 3 months ago (Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:56 am)

Surely, Mengele must have kept some notes and even notebooks to record data from his "experiments?" It is so amazing that NOT one shred of such notes has ever been shown. I suspect Mengele did examine twins which is rather common to try to find features that were genetic in origin rather than developmental,-- but this did not involve much more than visual inspections and possibly blood samples.

I have no doubt that there are many records at Auschwitz and perhaps Moscow of things Mengele was really doing at Auschwitz--but they will not serve the hoax and must, therefore, remain hidden indefinitely.

The published essay I have from Mengele is entitled "Sippenuntersuchungen bei Lippen-Kiefer-Gaumenspalte" in Zeitschrift fuer Menschliche Vererbungs und Konstitutionslehre 1939, Volume 23, Heft 1, pages 17-42. The essay attempts to determine the genetic significance of the separation in the lips and gums of some people, even on the personality. Mengele was only one of a number of researchers who found this subject of great interest even in that same journal. From pictures of Mengele, it is obvious that he had a similar separation himself although certainly not as horrific as in some of the subjects shown in the photographs he included in his essay on page 24. No doubt, he must have been somewhat self-conscious about this personal feature and wore a wide moustache to hide it at least in his later years. Except for that feature, he was an extremely handsome man.

Mengele was a perfectly decent, even "heroic" doctor whose major shortcoming was his choice of a family name. The name “Mengele” already suggests to the brain-dead masses that he must have been evil. He was by many accounts, even from Jews, rather handsome, well mannered, charming--but married and faithful--which suggests to me that his accusers--all of whom seem to have been young Jewish women--were driven by frustrated sexual ambitions more than anything else just as Abigail Williams was in the award-winning play “The Crucible” by Arthur Miller. John Proctor, the hero of Miller's play about the madness of the Salem witch trials had much in common with Mengele. Both had their lives ruined with outrageous lies and prejudice and pettiness. The play and movie were, no doubt, a response to Joe McCarthy and the anti-communist fears of the 1950's (which were entirely justified btw). But no one was hung because of those fears. Many totally innocent people such as Dr. Fritz Klein and Josef Kramer were hung, however, because of the anti-Nazi madness which still continues. The excellent 1996 film version of "The Crucible" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MGGhmG3-WQ&feature=related starring Daniel Day-Lewis and Winona Ryder reveals what is really behind the Mengele mythology. The real John Proctor was Josef Mengele except that Mengele escaped the hangmen.

The blood samples Mengele probably did take from inmates would have been standard, accepted procedures to test for such things as the Felix-Weil reaction to determine if a person had typhus rather than typhoid fever. Mengele kept countless Jews alive as he himself insisted to a friend—and murdered or abused no one. He himself received the Iron Cross first and second class for bravery on the Russian front where he was also wounded. He contracted typhus while at Auschwitz as his personal military file shows. He was a tragic hero who luckily escaped the lynch mobs and eventually died a peaceful death swimming in the ocean in Brazil. In a sense, Josef Mengele really had the last laugh!

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Re: Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby Inquisitor » 5 years 3 months ago (Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:05 pm)

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:Surely, Mengele must have kept some notes and even notebooks to record data from his "experiments?" It is so amazing that NOT one shred of such notes has ever been shown. I suspect Mengele did examine twins which is rather common to try to find features that were genetic in origin rather than developmental,-- but this did not involve much more than visual inspections and possibly blood samples.


This sounds eminently reasonable and altogether probable. Like so much of the overriding "holocaust" narrative, there is a grain of truth to various aspects of the tale that get blown preposterously out of all proporation, and the most mundane of activities is made monstrous via this obscene exaggeration! Simple disinfestation chambers and standard shower installations become sinister(if inefficient and bizarre)and horrific homicide machines; unremarkable crematoria become impossibly diabolical charnel houses; the execution of selective partisan criminals and murderers become mass-shootings by the thousands and "Babi-Yar" fanatsies...
And simple medical procedures performed by Doctor Mengele are twisted into macabre experiments and what have you.

I suppose this formula rarely changes because it has been so astonishingly successful!

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Re: Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby Mkk » 5 years 3 months ago (Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:05 am)

Just another unfounded anti-Nazi claim, just like the ominous "final solution", the whole "master race" canard, the "Slavs are Untermensch" myth, and so on, and so forth. Now we have the cliche of the Nazi doctor, performing "medical experiments". One good example of this lie is this thread, where a good man like Mengele is turned into a monster by such convicted lie-witnesses as Zisblatt.

There's also the equally ominous stuff about racial science and "blond hair, blue eyes" thing, which is based upon a small kernel of truth but is massively exaggerated. For the latter, it is true the National Socialists thought of blond hair and blue eyes as a desirable Germanic trait, but nothing more. Some people have claimed they wanted to kill everyone who didn't have that, which is so ridiculous I don't need to comment.

Infact, Nazi doctors were some of the first to warn against smoking and alchohol, and many other things. For year's many of their result's were dismissed, until, for one example, the gene linking alcoholism and genetics was rediscovered.
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Re: Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby Jazz » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:33 am)

I thought I'd post another video I found of Vera Alexander talking about Auschwitz with cartoon drawings.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4UX2FknM-Y[/youtube]

Seriously?

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Re: Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby borjastick » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:39 am)

With regard to Mengele I would concur with most of what has been said here to date. However I seem to remember that he did carry out experiments on the human body's ability to survive in cold water. This took the form of placing a man in a large vat of cold water to simulate being thrown overboard at sea. He timed how long the subject could survive before losing body function and then losing consciousness etc.

I may be wrong but I believe this was actually filmed and the results are still used and quoted today in sea training classes.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby Haldan » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:35 pm)

borjastick wrote:With regard to Mengele I would concur with most of what has been said here to date. However I seem to remember that he did carry out experiments on the human body's ability to survive in cold water. This took the form of placing a man in a large vat of cold water to simulate being thrown overboard at sea. He timed how long the subject could survive before losing body function and then losing consciousness etc.

I may be wrong but I believe this was actually filmed and the results are still used and quoted today in sea training classes.

Please correct me if I am wrong.


Do you have a source?

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Postby Lohengrin » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:25 pm)

Maybe it's worth noting that Dr. Mengele was a Chiefdoctor in Auschwitz. He had a staff of 5 or six JEWISH doctors. Normal practice is that theoretical work (planning, research, drawing up reports, management, contacts, etc., etc.) was done by the (brilliant) Chief (Mengele) and the more "dirty work", by the deputies. Or am I wrong here in this 'specific' case?!! :confused2:

Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto used to say: "If you want to escape, try it on the gate were a German guard is watching; you have a chance. Don''t try it at a gate were a Ukrainian is watching, he beat and rob you first. NEVER try it at a gate were a Jewish police man watches, because he beat and rob you and then sent you back."

Was this only so in the Ghetto, or maybe also in the lazaret of Dr. Mengele? Never heard one word of.

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Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 4 years 11 months ago (Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:25 pm)

borjastick wrote:With regard to Mengele I would concur with most of what has been said here to date. However I seem to remember that he did carry out experiments on the human body's ability to survive in cold water.


The cold water experiments were at Dachau, and had nothing to do with Mengele.

At my local hospital a few years ago, they conducted experiments which resulted in several people losing their fingers and toes.
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Re: Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby borjastick » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:05 am)

I have a vague memory of a film of a man sitting in a large tub of cold water, shaking violently, and then being helped out. I don't think this was Dachau, though I am happy to be convinced if you have some proof. Either way it is a drop in the ocean in the context of mass gassing etc.
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Re: Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby Kingfisher » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:05 am)

Googling produces plenty of hits for this experiment at Dachau. Though Wikipedia is unreliable for anything Nazi-related, I am not aware of any disputing of this particular experiment and Wikipedia reproduces the relevant data: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation#Freezing_experiments as well as the photo you probably had in mind.

None of this, of course, tells us anything one way or the other about the alleged Holocaust, though it is used to reinforce the image of the evil Nazis. The Americans carried out experiments in Guatemala around the same time deliberately infecting people with syphilis, but this is conveniently forgotten. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/01/us-apology-guatemala-syphilis-tests

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Postby Hannover » 4 years 11 months ago (Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:25 pm)

Mengele is like the rockstar of the 'holocaust' storyline. It seems all the irrational and scientifically absurd 'eyewitnesses' want to claim some interaction with him. Pretty comical really.

As for the cold water experiments, it's my understanding that they were legit military endeavors done by Luftwaffe volunteers and Jews were not involved at all. But now any picture of anything unusual looking must be attributed to the bogus 'holocaust'. And if you argue about it you will be arrested in many countries where Jewish supremacism calls the shots. What a nice arrangement, and quite profitable to say the least.

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Re: Mengele denied performing ghastly experiments on anybody

Postby Kingfisher » 4 years 11 months ago (Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:30 am)

Hannover wrote:Mengele is like the rockstar of the 'holocaust' storyline. It seems all the irrational and scientifically absurd 'eyewitnesses' want to claim some interaction with him. Pretty comical really.

As for the cold water experiments, it's my understanding that they were legit military endeavors done by Luftwaffe volunteers and Jews were not involved at all. But now any picture of anything unusual looking must be attributed to the bogus 'holocaust'. And if you argue about it you will be arrested in many countries where Jewish supremacism calls the shots. What a nice arrangement, and quite profitable to say the least.

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If the figures I linked to are genuine, one third of the subjects died, so unlikely to be Luftwaffe volunteers. Now, I'm not assuming they are genuine, but I haven't seen any suggestions to the contrary, so, for the moment, as a genuine sceptic I give them provisional benefit of the doubt. Do you have any evidence one way or the other?

I seem to recall that at least some versions say that some of the subjects were criminals sentenced to death who would receive a reprieve if they survived.


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