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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby borjastick » 2 years 9 months ago (Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:12 am)

Oh I see, you think what I think is important. You should ba banging on the doors of the USHMM or Vad Yashem for these answers. It matters not what i think. I don't understand the 19 bodies thingy but that probably doesn't matter.

The bottom line is, as far as I know, not one mass grave has ever been unearthed there, let alone forensically investigated, though the Kola work may prove me wrong I would have to check up on that.

As I say what I think is there or not there matters not to anyone. I don't have any influence or say on the official story.


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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby Bill1983 » 2 years 4 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:27 pm)

This seems an obvious point but I haven't been able to find much discussion on it...

We are told about how, at other locations, the Germans were supposedly super efficient at reducing millions of mass-murdered people down to ashes in their large cremation furnaces, and then secretly disappearing the ashes into rivers and streams... never to be discovered by outsiders...

But have Holocaust believers been able to explain why Treblinka 2, (which is claimed to have been designed solely for the purpose of mass extermination ), was not designed with crematories in order to dispose of the expected masses of dead bodies?

The Germans, supposedly so worried about someone eventually discovering the bodies, gave orders to exhume 700,000+ corpses, then cremate them in the open air... (and then manually grind up the bones?) and then rebury the remains. If they were so worried about the prospect of future discovery, why didn't they just design Treblinka 2 with crematories in the first place ?

What's even stranger is that the Germans were supposedly inspired to destroy evidence of the Treblinka 2 mass graves by the discovery of the mass graves at the Soviet Katyn Forest massacre, yet it was Germans themselves who initially called international attention to those mass graves at Katyn...

Just seems very bizarre in general. Isn't the more sensible explanation for a lack of crematories that Treblinka 2 really was a transit camp where the disposal of large numbers of corpses was never considered in the design?

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby hermod » 2 years 4 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 8:49 pm)

Bill1983 wrote:The Germans, supposedly so worried about someone eventually discovering the bodies, gave orders to exhume 700,000+ corpses, then cremate them in the open air... (and then manually grind up the bones?) and then rebury the remains. If they were so worried about the prospect of future discovery, why didn't they just design Treblinka 2 with crematories in the first place ?

What's even stranger is that the Germans were supposedly inspired to destroy evidence of the Treblinka 2 mass graves by the discovery of the mass graves at the Soviet Katyn Forest massacre, yet it was Germans themselves who initially called international attention to those mass graves at Katyn...


According to the farcical orthodox Holocaust narrative, the Germans apparently believed that human corpses just dissolved in soil, leaving no trace at all after a few months, until they found the Soviet mass graves at Katyn and understood that was not true. Don't laugh. That's what they imply...

Orthodox narrative on Wikipedia:
Cremation pits

The Germans became fully aware of the political danger associated with the mass burial of corpses only in 1943, when the Polish victims of the Soviet Katyn massacre were discovered near Smolensk in Russia and reported to Berlin. Those 22,000 officers' bodies were well preserved underground, attesting to the Soviet mass murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_ ... ation_pits



Just seems very bizarre in general. Isn't the more sensible explanation for a lack of crematories that Treblinka 2 really was a transit camp where the disposal of large numbers of corpses was never considered in the design?


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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby Werd » 2 years 4 months ago (Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:57 pm)

The Germans, supposedly so worried about someone eventually discovering the bodies, gave orders to exhume 700,000+ corpses, then cremate them in the open air... (and then manually grind up the bones?) and then rebury the remains. If they were so worried about the prospect of future discovery, why didn't they just design Treblinka 2 with crematories in the first place ?

Thomas Dalton raised this issue in his book DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST: A LOOK AT BOTH SIDES .

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby diaz52 » 2 years 4 months ago (Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:03 pm)

Werd wrote:
The Germans, supposedly so worried about someone eventually discovering the bodies, gave orders to exhume 700,000+ corpses, then cremate them in the open air... (and then manually grind up the bones?) and then rebury the remains. If they were so worried about the prospect of future discovery, why didn't they just design Treblinka 2 with crematories in the first place ?

Thomas Dalton raised this issue in his book DEBATING THE HOLOCAUST: A LOOK AT BOTH SIDES .


Well y'know, its not like Germans are known for their meticulous planning or anything... Oh wait... lol
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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby Bill1983 » 2 years 4 months ago (Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:36 pm)

hermod wrote:According to the farcical orthodox Holocaust narrative, the Germans apparently believed that human corpses just dissolved in soil, leaving no trace at all after a few months, until they found the Soviet mass graves at Katyn and understood that was not true. Don't laugh. That's what they imply...

Orthodox narrative on Wikipedia:
Cremation pits

The Germans became fully aware of the political danger associated with the mass burial of corpses only in 1943, when the Polish victims of the Soviet Katyn massacre were discovered near Smolensk in Russia and reported to Berlin. Those 22,000 officers' bodies were well preserved underground, attesting to the Soviet mass murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_ ... ation_pits



How did this "exhume-cremate-rebury" narrative come about? Was it the story from the beginning? It almost sounds like it was included later as a rescue device to explain why hundreds of thousands of bodies would not be immediately evident...

If by chance real excavations took place, this would give them an "out" by claiming that the Germans could have spirited away the ashes in rivers like is claimed at Auschwitz. But since nobody is allowed to investigate the mass graves anyways I guess it doesn't matter so much.

I can't get over how absurd it sounds...

- Germans implement a crematory system at other camps to help hide the evidence of mass-murder.
- Germans then inexplicably decide to design one of their largest "extermination" camps without crematories.
- Germans use gas chambers to murder 800,000 people...
- Burying 800,000 bodies in pits...
- Germans: "Oops, bodies don't magically disappear underground, someone might dig them up one day! New plan!"
- Exhuming 800,000 bodies...
- Cremating 800,000 bodies in the open air...
- Organizing massive "bone crushing" operations on the remains of 800,000 bodies with small machines and even hand-tools...

The Silverdome stadium capacity is about 80,000 people....
So the workers at Treblinka did all of that to this amount of people X 10
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The bodies were placed on grates over wood, splashed with petrol, and burned in one massive blaze. It was a harrowing sight, according to Jankiel Wiernik, with the bellies of pregnant women exploding from boiling amniotic sac fluid... - wikipedia

Really they had that much extra gasoline to spare?

Also weren't the Germans supposed to be being stealthy about all this? Hiding mass-murder factories under the nose of the Red Cross and whatnot? They weren't concerned about an outsider observer noticing that they were burning up the population of San Fransisco out in the open at Treblinka?

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby diaz52 » 2 years 4 months ago (Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:22 pm)

Bill1983 wrote:
hermod wrote:According to the farcical orthodox Holocaust narrative, the Germans apparently believed that human corpses just dissolved in soil, leaving no trace at all after a few months, until they found the Soviet mass graves at Katyn and understood that was not true. Don't laugh. That's what they imply...

Orthodox narrative on Wikipedia:
Cremation pits

The Germans became fully aware of the political danger associated with the mass burial of corpses only in 1943, when the Polish victims of the Soviet Katyn massacre were discovered near Smolensk in Russia and reported to Berlin. Those 22,000 officers' bodies were well preserved underground, attesting to the Soviet mass murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_ ... ation_pits



How did this "exhume-cremate-rebury" narrative come about? Was it the story from the beginning? It almost sounds like it was included later as a rescue device to explain why hundreds of thousands of bodies would not be immediately evident...

If by chance real excavations took place, this would give them an "out" by claiming that the Germans could have spirited away the ashes in rivers like is claimed at Auschwitz. But since nobody is allowed to investigate the mass graves anyways I guess it doesn't matter so much.

I can't get over how absurd it sounds...

- Germans implement a crematory system at other camps to help hide the evidence of mass-murder.
- Germans then inexplicably decide to design one of their largest "extermination" camps without crematories.
- Germans use gas chambers to murder 800,000 people...
- Burying 800,000 bodies in pits...
- Germans: "Oops, bodies don't magically disappear underground, someone might dig them up one day! New plan!"
- Exhuming 800,000 bodies...
- Cremating 800,000 bodies in the open air...
- Organizing massive "bone crushing" operations on the remains of 800,000 bodies with small machines and even hand-tools...

The Silverdome stadium capacity is about 80,000 people....
So the workers at Treblinka did all of that to this amount of people X 10
Image

The bodies were placed on grates over wood, splashed with petrol, and burned in one massive blaze. It was a harrowing sight, according to Jankiel Wiernik, with the bellies of pregnant women exploding from boiling amniotic sac fluid... - wikipedia

Really they had that much extra gasoline to spare?

Also weren't the Germans supposed to be being stealthy about all this? Hiding mass-murder factories under the nose of the Red Cross and whatnot? They weren't concerned about an outsider observer noticing that they were burning up the population of San Fransisco out in the open at Treblinka?


Yeah imagine being the guy that has to break the news to the staff that the next item at the top of their 'to do' list is exhuming 800k corpses and cremating them in open air fires, and then re-burying the remains... 'Awkward' to say the least...

On another note: good to see the ol' Pontiac Silverdome! The Lions of course now use the new and much better Ford Field. I played a high school state championship game in the Pontiac Silverdome back in the day (we won). Given the poor state of Detroit Lion's football for most of their games in the Silverdome I can tell you that many a Lion fan would've like to have seen the team buried, exhumed, cremated, and then buried again, along with their coaching staff... lol... well they had a few good years in the '80s when they got the great Billy Sims, and then of course when they got the legendary Barry Sanders in the '90s, but that was it. Anyways...
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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby hermod » 2 years 4 months ago (Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:08 pm)

Bill1983 wrote:How did this "exhume-cremate-rebury" narrative come about? Was it the story from the beginning? It almost sounds like it was included later as a rescue device to explain why hundreds of thousands of bodies would not be immediately evident...


The "they removed all traces of their crimes" allegation was already used by the Soviets during WW2, as in the example below. That exempted them to bring any physical evidence of their crazy lies.

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The "exhume-cremate-rebury" narrative was built on a letter written by Himmler. In that letter, Himmler requested a confirmation that the Jewish inmates dying of natural causes in German concentration camps were not turned into soap as claimed by U.S. Zionist leader Rabbi Stephen S. Wise at that time (late 1942). Himmler wanted to make sure that those corpses were buried or cremated, what Allied-Soviet propagandists later turned into exhumed and cremated in order to destroy any evidence of their extermination policy (fictional Sonderaktion 1005).

Letter of Himmler to Müller 20 November 1942
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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby NLH » 2 years 2 months ago (Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:58 pm)

Did Cole ever respond to Hunt's rebuttal?
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Part 2 - YouTube - 1:21:42

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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby NLH » 2 years 1 month ago (Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:56 am)

Thank you Moderator for your reply.

Having looked around, and I am not sure if Eric or anyone knows about this, but David did appear to reply: http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/5348
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Re: Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka

Postby permanent_denial » 2 months 1 week ago (Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:45 pm)

I'd like to see Eric's refutation to his own retort, now that he has basically walked back everything he presumably methodically analyzed to reach his conclusions.


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