Hannover wrote:- Clearly, as I demonstrated, the "Jaeger report' photo posted is a laughable fake for the numerous reasons I mentioned. Thames Darwin cannot even rebut my take down of it.
I believe your points were the following:* The communist Soviets found the 'Jaeger Report' fifteen years after the alleged event.
Not exactly. The Soviets had the document before the war ended, having acquired it when they pushed the Nazis out of Kaunas. They didn't provide a copy of it to W. Germany until 1963, four years after Jäger died, which would be 22 years after the original events, but that's because W. Germany hadn't even arrested Jäger until 1959, which they did in a lead up to trying several war criminals, not to mention specific trials for each death camp. I know you guys love Nuremberg, but it wasn't the only trial.* Karl Jaeger curiously 'committed suicide' on 22 June 1959, how convenient.
If this is an imputation that he was murdered, then you should say so, and you should go on to prove it. People commit suicide in custody all the time -- Göring did so, don't forget. So did Ley.* The so called 'Jaeger Report' has the smell of yet another communist Soviet forgery for which they were notorious.
Again, this would require proof. Perhaps you could offer three such examples, which would constitute a pattern.
The British decodes docs, while being real documents made in Britain, not by Germans, only mention shooting in the context of legal anti-partisan operations which everyone agrees did occur, there we anti-partisan operations.
You haven't proved that by a longshot. The mere fact of partisans being shot and Jews being shot being mentioned on the same page of text doesn't prove the events were related beyond the perpetrators; after all, this is an Orpo report, so it details actions by individual police battalions, which is sort of the point. That's why the report mentions SS policemen injured by a land mine and their car being destroyed; clearly, they weren't partisans.
The actual numbers in those documents seem suspect, for reasons I previously mentioned, and their are no mass graves to support them, even though the exact locations of such mass graves are claimed to be known. That dog, don't hunt.
Repeating the same false thing doesn't make it true.
It's not a matter of Daluege himself having authority over Jaeger, it's that the SS had authority over both Daluege, Jaeger, and their men in the field.
This is a statement that indicates an epic lack of understanding of the way things actually were in the field. The Einsatzgruppen answered to Heydrich, who, while under Himmler, nevertheless operated with immense personal freedom. The Orpo reported to Himmler directly.
More importantly, regarding Churchill's speech, only the Orpo code had been broken at that point; most historians agree that the actions of the Einsatzgruppen at this time were probably still unknown to the U.K.
In lieu of the claim that the SS, supposedly after Churchill's speech, instructed one group in the field not to list Jews in their reports because they wanted to hide it, while allowing Jaeger and the einsatzgruppen to continue to list Jews in reports is patently ridiculous. It wouldn't have happened.The contradiction is blatant. It's simply a case where the stories do not fit. They don't fit because the basic narrative is a fraud.
See above on this point. You simply don't have any idea what you're talking about. The SS was far too large by 1941 for a single person or even agency within the SS to be dictating a whole policy. Add that there was a war going on and an area of operations, which including not just the Orpo and the Einsatzgruppen, but divisions of the Waffen-SS and the army to boot, and you might got a tiny little sense that what you're suggesting isn't true.
Moreover, many revisionists seem to believe that Nazi Germany was a firmly top-down power structure and that this continued into the war. All the evidence suggests that this isn't true at all. Virtually nobody with any credibility believes this anymore.
Thames Darwin is still unable to prove mass shootings of Jews just because they were Jews.
And now a frustrated Thames Darwin is left making claims of 'antisemitism' against the 'Nazis' which no one questions.
A person or group being 'antisemitic' does not mean that they engaged in mass shootings of noncombatant Jews.
Bottom line this for me, please. Did the Nazis ever shoot anyone without a good reason, in your opinion? Because if the answer is 'no,' then there's no reason to discuss this any further.