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Re: Hitler's Peace Offers Vs Unconditional Surrender

Postby Dresden » 1 year 1 month ago (Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:35 pm)

THE PEACEMAKERS

TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES

"The undersigned who believe that real friendship and co-operation between Great Britain and Germany are essential to the establishment of enduring peace not only in Western Europe but throughout the world, strongly deprecate the attempt which is being made to sabotage an Anglo-German rapprochement by distorting the facts of the Czecho-Slovak settlement.

"We believe that the Munich Agreement was nothing more than the rectification of one of the most flagrant injustices of the Peace Treaty. It took nothing from Czecho-Slovakia to which that country could rightly lay claim, and gave nothing to Germany which could have been rightfully withheld.
"We see in the policy so courageously pursued by the Prime Minister (Neville Chamberlain) the end of a long period of lost opportunities and the promise of a new era to which the tragic years that have gone since the War will seem like a bad dream." -- It bore the signatures of the following:

"Lord Arnold, Captain Bernard Ackworth, Prof. Sir Raymond Beazley, Mr. C.E Carroll, Sir. John Smedley Crooke, M.P., Mr. W.H. Dawson, Admiral Sir. Barry Domville, Mr. A.E.R Dyer, Lord Fairfax of Cameron, Viscount Hardinge of Penshurst, Mr. F.C. Jarvis, Mr. Douglas Jerrold, Sir. John Latta, Prof. A.P Laurie, The Marquess of Londonderry, Vice-Admiral V.B Molteno, Captain A.H. Maule Ramsey, M.P., Mr. Wilmot Nicholson, Lord Redesdale, Captain Lane-Fox Pitt-Rivers, Capt. Arthur Rogers, OBE, Maj-Gen, Arthur Solly-Flood, Mrs. Nesta Webster, Mr. Bernard Wilson." The Times, October 6th, 1938

This letter was held up for five days before The Times reluctantly agreed to publish it.


"I am willing to go to prison for the sake of the truth and the German nation. ... You are determined to destroy my convictions by imprisoning me, but it is beyond your power to do so." - Sylvia Stolz

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Re: Hitler's Peace Offers Vs Unconditional Surrender

Postby Dresden » 1 year 1 month ago (Sat Apr 02, 2016 9:42 pm)

BACKGROUND TO THE MUNICH AGREEMENT

The dismemberment of Germany following the Great War meant that the Sudetenland (Bohemia and Moravia), part of Germany for 700 years and with a population of over 3 million Germans, being moved -- against their wishes -- out of their homeland to become part of a newly-created country, populated mainly by Czechs and Slovaks, which was to be called Czecho-Slovakia.

The Sudeten Germans suffered greatly under Czech rule. On March 4th, 1919, public meetings calling for self determination were brutally broken up and 52 German civilians were murdered. Lord Rothermere described Czechoslovakia as a 'swindle'

Conditions imposed upon the Sudeten-Germans were so harsh that during 1919, 600,000 were forced to leave their settlements of centuries. Throughout the ensuing years, the Czech President, M. Benes, saw to it that conditions became so intolerable that even England and France felt it necessary to concede this injustice of Versailles and agreed to its return to Germany.

"The worst offence was the subjection of over three million Germans to Czech rule." -- H.N Brailsford, Leading left wing commentator

The Czech administration which wanted the German territory but not its population, agreed, but refused to do so and instead began a reign of terror aimed at driving the German population over the borders into Hitler's Germany in a program that has since been termed ethnic cleansing.

THE GRUESOME RESULTS

"Let us examine the gruesome tale of figures. On one single day 10,000 refugees, the next day 20,000, then 37,000. Two days later 41,000, then 62,000 and 78,000. Soon it was 90,000, 107,000, 137,000 and today the figure is 214,000. Whole districts are being depopulated. Villages are being burnt down and shrapnel and gas used to exterminate the German population." -- Adolf Hitler, September 26th, 1938

Similarly, when under the terms of the Versailles Treaty, a large part of Germany and its German population was awarded to Poland, so began an anti-German racist pogrom resulting in widespread murder and mayhem resulting in over a million Germans being 'ethnically cleansed' from their homelands of centuries.

"Let there be no mistake; the 30th January was not the beginning of the agitation against Germany; in 1923 over half a million Germans had to leave their historical homelands, Posnia-West Prussia, and this number increased -- according to Polish statements -- to a million by 1931." -- Heinz Roth, publisher

Hitler's Germany could no longer act as bystanders to the grim unfolding tragedy. When German troops re-entered their former territory, the Sudetenland, there was rejoicing in the streets.
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Re: Hitler's Peace Offers Vs Unconditional Surrender

Postby Breker » 1 year 1 month ago (Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:38 am)

onetruth:
You are quoting from a fake text . This is a fabricated text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination. There was no such plan , there was no group called the elders of Zion. In fact this this forgery was first published in Russia in 1903 and was proven to be a fake .
Really, sir?

try:
http://henrymakow.com/2014/09/Authentic ... ed%20.html
Authenticity of Protocols of Zion Affirmed
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Re: Hitler's Peace Offers Vs Unconditional Surrender

Postby onetruth » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:37 am)

Breker wrote:onetruth:
You are quoting from a fake text . This is a fabricated text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination. There was no such plan , there was no group called the elders of Zion. In fact this this forgery was first published in Russia in 1903 and was proven to be a fake .
Really, sir?

try:
http://henrymakow.com/2014/09/Authentic ... ed%20.html
Authenticity of Protocols of Zion Affirmed
B.


It is sad to see someone base his understanding and conclusions on dubious conspiracy sites. Basically you are saying that your theory is true because another man is saying so. No scientific proof , no evidence from witnesses , no documents. Nothing but your wish to believe that it is so.

This false fabricated text should be understood in the context of the growing rise of antisemitism in the 20th century. It is a vile text that makes no historical sense , great parts from it where proven to be copied from another text written against napoleon the thirds. Other parts dealing with the 12 tribes of israel are historically impossible as they where no 12 tribes in existence at the time it was written. It also stand against the the basic principles of the jewish faith. Do your research , i haven't the time to spoon feed people here,

It saddens and upsets me that some people rely on such sources for there understanding of the world . Same goes for most conspiracy theories , instead of bettering the world and themselves people are wasting time fighting non existing shadows. AS if we don't have real problems.

Please be aware that on one hand you deny the holocaust and on the other ,you promote the same antisemitic propaganda that caused it.

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Re: Hitler's Peace Offers Vs Unconditional Surrender

Postby Breker » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:46 am)

My my, Mr. onetruth, someone so used to Jewish privilege is throwing a girly hissy fit.

If the 'Protocols' are so very fake, then why is everything in them so very real today? Just a coincidence we suppose.

We do see that he ignores the information and tries the tired and increasingly discredited "antisemitism".

As has been said:
antisemitic: any thought or person that a Jew doesn't like.

He goes on:
the growing rise of antisemitism in the 20th century
We rather think it was the logical reaction to the growing rise of unsavory behaviour by Jews. In spite of the fact that Jews think they are never wrong about anything.

continuing:
Same goes for most conspiracy theories , instead of bettering the world and themselves people are wasting time fighting non existing shadows. AS if we don't have real problems.
'Conspiracies" are proven every day in courts of law all over the world.
Since when is racist Zionism, a "shadow". It is quite real which the fraudulent "Holocaust", US Treasury depletion, and genocide against the Palestinians has proven.
Real problems? Indeed, racist supremacist Jews.

the gem:
Please be aware that on one hand you deny the holocaust and on the other ,you promote the same antisemitic propaganda that caused it.

Ah yes, the old excuse to ban free speech and yield to racist Jews on every issue,
'Free speech will cause another 6,000,000'. But then the facts are that the 6,000,000 Jews fiction is being shown rather dramatically to be a fraud. onetruth and Jews are using a false premise in order to advance themselves.

I note that Mr. onetruth has been rather severely deconstructed at the "Holocaust" Forum. I advise everyone to look up his name at that forum. A most savage beating his unmanageable Zionist propaganda has taken.
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Re: Hitler's Peace Offers Vs Unconditional Surrender

Postby Mortimer » 11 months 1 week ago (Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:55 am)

Here are 2 versions of the same speech by Adolf Hitler on 26 September 1938 concerning the situation in Czechoslovakia. The full length uncensored version is here -
http://www.cwporter.com/blessed.htm
The second version which is used by politically correct media and websites omits any references by Hitler to his offers of disarmament and negotiation -
http://www.cwporter.com/censored.htm

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Re: Hitler's Peace Offers Vs Unconditional Surrender

Postby Mortimer » 10 months 1 day ago (Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:29 am)

Article from Veterans Today columnist Jonas E Alexis "Churchill Lied About Hitler" which shows that the British prime minister kept the details of the German leader's peace proposals from the wartime cabinet. If they were informed the British public would have also found out and wondered why the fighting was continuing when there could have been a negotiated peace -
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/02 ... ut-hitler/

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Re: Hitler's Peace Offers Vs Unconditional Surrender

Postby Mortimer » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:54 pm)

An article from the Journal of Historical Review 1986 Volume 4 on Churchill's War by David Irving. The second part of the article mentions how in Washington D.C. in 1940 the German ambassador and the British ambassador were discussing peace proposals through a Quaker intermediary. When Churchill found out he had it stopped immediately. He did everything possible to keep the conflict going -
http://codoh.com/library/document/2176/

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Re: Hitler's Peace Offers Vs Unconditional Surrender

Postby Hektor » 6 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:16 am)

onetruth wrote:....
It is sad to see someone base his understanding and conclusions on dubious conspiracy sites. Basically you are saying that your theory is true because another man is saying so. No scientific proof , no evidence from witnesses , no documents. Nothing but your wish to believe that it is so.
Fine,ao no conspiracy theories allowed. Does that also apply to theories about the "Holocaust" and Hitler planning to "conquer the World"?


onetruth wrote:....
This false fabricated text should be understood in the context of the growing rise of antisemitism in the 20th century. It is a vile text that makes no historical sense , great parts from it where proven to be copied from another text written against napoleon the thirds. Other parts dealing with the 12 tribes of israel are historically impossible as they where no 12 tribes in existence at the time it was written. It also stand against the the basic principles of the jewish faith. Do your research , i haven't the time to spoon feed people here,

Right, so there is no originals to be tested, no people to be question, no bureaucratic modus operandi the document fits in. Apply that logic to "documents" used to support "the Holocaust" and "Hitler's plans for world conquest" and I think we can talk.

Back to subject. I'd guess we can say that pushing for "unconditional surrender" was a policy that extended and prolonged the war making it a major cause of human suffering on the sides of all nations involved.

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Re: Hitler's Peace Offers Vs Unconditional Surrender

Postby Mortimer » 6 months 1 day ago (Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:16 pm)

There can be no doubt that the policy of unconditional surrender prolonged the war. This chapter from The Myth of the Six Million by David Hoggan deals with this topic and also how it affected Jews in occupied Europe -
http://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/10.html

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Re: Hitler's Peace Offers Vs Unconditional Surrender

Postby Hektor » 4 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:47 pm)

Mortimer wrote:There can be no doubt that the policy of unconditional surrender prolonged the war. This chapter from The Myth of the Six Million by David Hoggan deals with this topic and also how it affected Jews in occupied Europe -
http://www.ihr.org/books/hoggan/10.html

I've written previously that "Unconditional Surrender" is a none option. Nobody will accept that ever, unless he's as good as vanquished already.

And yes, it's a recipe to get a war as long and bloody as possible. That's why you may consider to smear the vanquished as evil as possible afterwards. So nobody will dare questioning your conduct, motive and reputation.


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