Altered Aerial Photos and the Shadows of Doom

[Toshiro]

Never before seen photographs? Did you obtain these from the locals in Oswiecim? I've heard the old people there have quite a lot of photos which they've kept for memories' sake, but don't really understand the value they possess. For revisionists, that is.

[Mkk]

I don't have the specialist knowledge to make a useful contribution on this specific topic, but it does seem to me that if you are reduced to the interpretation of some barely visible smudges on a document that may or may not have been tampered with, in order to determine whether a million people were murdered, not even in some remote neck of the woods, but in a camp of some tens of thousands of people, with constant comings and goings, the basis of the original allegation cannot have been substantial!

A most crucial point. I am working as part of a project now investigating never before seen Auschwitz photographs -aerial & ground- and have helped discover some crucial facts ignored by believers but missed by revisionists. Look for the production sometime next year.

Please post it here, the way you put it, it sounds good for revisionism.

@Toshiro: If the locals do have any photos they or their family took, it's not hard to presume they don't bolster the extermination story. Ofcourse, everyone in the town would have heard of Auschwitz, and if the photos had any extermanist worth they'd have been rolled out a million times by now.

[Hannover]

@Toshiro: If the locals do have any photos they or their family took, it's not hard to presume they don't bolster the extermination story. Ofcourse, everyone in the town would have heard of Auschwitz, and if the photos had any extermanist worth they'd have been rolled out a million times by now.

While I'm sure there has been attempts to collect all of the locally shot photos by the 'authorities' who profit from the current fairy tale, it would not surprise me that some of the locals still do have photos which could prove detrimental to standard storyline, especially since, in spite of what the liars say, the campgrounds and 'gas chambers' were in full view.

Looking forward to more on this. But do be careful to store / archive any new photos well. Make duplicates and do a proper record of provenance. If there are newly discovered photos coming out, the Jewish supremacists will go all out to shoot the messenger while attempting to ignore the message.

- Hannover

[Zulu]

A most crucial point. I am working as part of a project now investigating never before seen Auschwitz photographs -aerial & ground- and have helped discover some crucial facts ignored by believers but missed by revisionists. Look for the production sometime next year.

Glad to read that. Do you mean you have been successful in obtaining unknown genuine aerial photos?

After analyzing that "holes' matter" I would add some remarks.

1- Those holes don't appear on any genuine drawing of the crematories including those which have been updated on September 21st, 1943 like the drawing 219/43 of Krema 2, the drawing 109/14A of Krema 3 and even on October 9th, 1943 like the drawing 109/16A also of the Krema 2. The updating dates of these plans of construction are about 6 months after the supposed beginning of the "massive gassings" at those places. Those drawings are part of the set of 15 drawings remitted on December 19th, 1944 to the Zentral Bauleitung of Auschwitz by the civilian firm Huta which was the main responsible for the construction. As for any construction carried out seriously, we can logically suppose that the drawings were corresponding to the works actually realized by that firm until that date and this would confirm that the 4 big holes were never realized on the ceiling of Leichenkeller 1 at Krema II and III.

2- Pressac omits to show with no explanation an extremely important drawing belonging to the same set remitted on December 19th 1944. That drawing is labeled as the following on the given description list
22/10/42...109/6...7015/IV....Bew. der Decke über dem Keller I / Reinforcement for the ceiling over Leichenkeller 1 .

What an omission we have here! Nothing less than the detail of the reinforcement of the ceiling of a supposed gas chamber and its supposed 4 holes on!. That drawing shows the definition of all the frame of metallic bars existing into the concrete of the ceiling. It is evident that if the holes actually existed they should have appeared clearly on that plan. However Pressac doesn't make any mention of it! From the inexplicable mutism of Pressac about such important document, we can guess easily that such drawing doesn't show any holes at all.

It is also important to note that this drawing was not updated, thus modified, after October 10th, 1942. That means that a supposed piercing of 4 holes of 70 cm x 70 cm was never done. Actually, we must suppose that Huta wouldn't have accepted such important modification of the 20 cm concrete ceiling without drawing. Such piercing would have needed the cut of the reinforcement bars and consequently a weakening of the ceiling's structure which would have led to a compensation for maintaining its integrity. That represents important modifications of the initial plans which would have needed a specific study and detailed drawings of execution by the responsible of the construction. To resume, that was not a little job which could have been carried out without the Huta's knowledge at all! However, there are no traces of it on all the corresponding drawings of the Kremas II and III. Moreover, as for the supposed big "wire mesh columns of introduction ", there are no orders of service, no requisition of material and manpower, no affectation of personal in the archives that can be attributed to that important work while the Zentral Bauleitung used to generate papers for the mounting of a single bolt...
As Pressac used to precise the existence or not of documents of the archives he mentioned on his book, especially by pointing the eventual absence of the most important ones, his silence on that particular plan is overwhelming. I bet that the drawing is actually available. How could we obtain it is another story.

[Zulu]

On that aerial photo taken allegedly on "Summer 1944" (no date mentioned)
Description: The picture was taken by the Allies. This is Auschwitz II-Birkenau in summer of 1944. On the left the smoke is clearly visible. It comes from burning pits next to crematory V, where Germans burned bodies of murdered Jews. (Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum Archives)
http://en.auschwitz.org.pl/m/index.php? ... ail&id=410

On that Detail, I amplified the zone of Krema II & III and no hole appears on the roofs of Leichenkeller 1 of both buildings as usually on other CIA's photos. That's why I think that the access to all genuine rolls of negative from all raids above that zone is of fundamental importance for ending definitely that 4 holes' matter.

[Toshiro]

On that aerial photo taken allegedly on "Summer 1944" (no date mentioned)

Supposedly it's August 23rd, 1944.

[Zulu]

A better comparison. Details taken from aerial photos of better definition from the CIA's page
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/li ... ocaust.htm
A put 2 details coming from 2 aerial photos of 1944. On the left a detail of the "bombing" photo of September 13th with a 90º rotation to the right and a zoom. On the right, a detail of the photo of August 25th with a zoom in order to match roughly both scales. Again, the details show a huge difference between the appearance of the "4 holes" of the gas chambers of Krema II & III. A flaw from the CIA's boys who have "labeled" the photos ?

[Hannover]

Toshiro said:

The quality of this photograph is lower than the others. Interestingly, it's the only one made by the Luftwaffe.
The main S1 smudge is still there, in a single line, but the S2 and S3 lines are not. There are faint outlines of the F1 and F2 fence visible, still unfinished. The bad quality of the photo has to do with their almost invisible appearance, which John Clive Ball concluded on his air-photo.com website to disappear completely. John Clive Ball believes the smudges and the fences are drawn on the photographs by the CIA, which is quite an extreme theory, since there is a different explanation altogether. In short, John Ball is wrong.

The quality of the photo is not that bad such that the thick lines that Ball feels were drawn on would have not been seen. What is does show is a thin line which is more in keeping with the thin, even less than a 'chain link-like fence that was actually there.

Whether it was the CIA or someone else who did the tampering is my only question. There are aerial photos of the thick 'fence' completely surrounding the alleged 'gassing' area, there are aerials of the thick 'fence' which appear to have been unfinished by those that tampered with them and do not completely surround the alleged 'gassing' area, and there's the real fences which we see in the ground level photos which are nothing more than thin, even less than a 'chainlink-like type fence which certainly would not have made such thick, dark lines. I feel the thick dark 'fences' were drawn onto the photos to make it appear as if the Germans were camouflaging/hiding their alleged activities, which as has been pointed out, is further debunked by the open ground level view that inmates had of the alleged 'gassing' area. Some secret 'extermiantions' that would have been ... 'Hey, we can see you'.

Another point in favor of tampering is the fact that in the CIA booklet there were drawn on marks labeled something like 'Jews on the way to gas chambers', problem being that these drawn on marks were pathetically extended upon the roof of one of the barracks, see #3-4.

John Ball has it right, it's just a question of who did it.

1. What one would expect with the wimpy fence as shown in ground photos.


2. What one gets when someone adds 'holes' & alters the real fence in an attempt to make it appear like "camouflage" and 'holocaust-like', and of course, to match what the non-sensical 'eyewitnessess' & 'survivors said'


3. Said to be 'Jews on way to gas chamber', obvious tampering ('Jews' marching onto roof top)


4. Said to be 'Jews on way to gas chamber' (enlargement), obvious tampering ('Jews' marching onto roof top)


- Hannover

[Toshiro]

Mattogno cites three documents regarding the fence in The Openings for the Introduction of Zyklon B - Part II: Crematorium II, namely:

1. A telegram of an order for a fence to be built by Hans Kammler, dated May 12th, 1944; RGVA, 502-1-229, p.11
2. A list of the quantities of steel needed for the fence by Werner Jothann, dated May 16th, 1944; RGVA, 502-1-229, pp.12f, p.14
3. A letter from Karl Bischoff where he explains that the fence was a security measure, dated May 17th, 1944; RGVA, 502-1-313, p.4

Would be great to see these documents, particularly the first and third.

[leemadison11]

You guys are putting too much of your head into something which is not even there. This doesn't make sense, all of these consipracy theorist always have to question everything. This is so sad and disappointing to read.

[Mkk]

You guys are putting too much of your head into something which is not even there. This doesn't make sense, all of these consipracy theorist always have to question everything. This is so sad and disappointing to read.

You are saying this because you can not argue with us. Air photos of Auschwitz show nothing suspicious, or are showably altered. They are important for determining the existence of the alleged holes for introduction of Zyklon B into the "gas chambers".

And conspiracy theorists have to question everything! The reason you believe in this Holocaust story is because you aren't questioning everything.

Not to be offensive, but the only thing sad and disappointing to read is your post. Not only is close minded, it doesn't really argue anything- don't dodge please, if you have arguments against our interpretation of these air photo please present them.

[Hannover]

You guys are putting too much of your head into something which is not even there. This doesn't make sense, all of these consipracy theorist always have to question everything. This is so sad and disappointing to read.

Sorry to confuse you with the facts that these aerial photos reveal.

Of course, it is you who believes in 'conspiracy theories'. The absurd 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories ever invented:

- 'the world stood silent while Jews were sent up chimneys'

- 'the Germans supposedly tried to kill every Jew they could get there hands on, there are currently ca. 1,000,000 'holocaust survivors'

- Jews were gassed in a manner which is scientifically impossible

- Jews were cremated in numbers using equipment which could not have possibly cremated the numbers alleged in the time span alleged

- up to 2,000,000 Jews were supposedly shot into massive pits, but not a single excavation can be shown which confirms these alleged massive shootings

- Jews literally poured out of Europe into 'Israel', the US, Australia, Canada, S. America, you name it, some 'genocide' that was

- The Soviet communists presented a detailed study of steam chambers which was accepted a Nuremberg, no study for the now alleged pesticide using 'gas chambers' was ever presented at Nuremberg, or any other court

- statements by 'eyewitnesses' and 'survivors' defy laws of science' and are immensely contradictory

- it was admitted by those participating in the Nuremberg show trials that Germans were routinely tortured to get 'confessions'

- the absurd 'gas chambers' were given 'judicial notice' (accepted as fact in post war trials and could not be argued against) even though no forensic study for these 'gas chambers' was ever presented, so the falsely accused had little chance for defense, how convenient it all was

- the so called 'most documented event in world history' in fact has no documents which support the ridiculous '6M & gas chambers', no Hitler order, no orders from anyone to confirm the laughable claims

- the lack of proof is so obvious that laws had to be enacted to prevent free speech, scrutiny, and discussion of the impossible narrative.
Thomas Jefferson said:

It is lies that need protection of government, truth can stand on it's own.

- take all this and double it; according to the storyline, '5-6M others were killed in the same ways' .... and still no excavations to be shown, furthering the impossibilities previously mentioned

- on & on & on

'lee madison', you accept the most bizarre conspiracy theory the world has ever seen.

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

- Hannover

[Bob]

Robert Jan van Pelt is not only an impostor, but his statements are quite confused as well. From his testimony under oath:[1]

These are photographs, and what we see here is we have an image of the back of crematorium (ii) in February 1942. You see it is winter. The photo is very clear. There is snow on the ground. We are looking at the foreground is actually the construction site of the Klaranlage, the sewage waste, the sewage treatment plant. We look at the back of the crematorium, and we see there the main building with the roof and the chimney and then, jutting out from that building and it is clearer on the next page, we see the gas chamber, or the morgue No. 1 as a kind of box, a low box like structure, and on top of that we see four boxes. It is certainly three of them are very clear and maybe the fourth one to the left right under the

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window. This would be the third double window from the left of the building. We see these box like, chimney like, structures which jut up from this low, this low box like structure, which is morgue No. 1. This is a picture of the building as it was on the construction. Shortly after this photo was taken the gas chamber itself, or the morgue No. 1 itself, was covered with dirt, and so that the projection of the little chimneys above the level of the roof of the morgue in the final result would probably have been less, but we do not, of course, know if we look at the finished chimneys right now or if these were in some way still capped with another kind of structure. So this is, I think, a very important piece of evidence because this is a photo taken by a member of the SS Bauleitung, Schaffuhrer Kaman. He was the only one allowed with a camera in the camp and this photo very clearly shows the structures.

I will ignore his contradictions commented here.

I will focus on the date, he said February 1942 for the train photo, but according to Pressac, photo is dated probably between 9th and 11th February 1943.[2] “Snow” photo is according to Pressac dated between 20th and 22nd January 1943.[3]

Pelt continues:[4]

Q:And this photograph was taken in the winter of 1942?
A:Yes.

And again:[5]

A:First of all, we are coming, of course, in a -- the

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problem is the exact dating of this image. If this image had been taken, let us say, in November, December, let us say December 1942, I think it could have been a plausible suggestion. I mean, we would have to look then in what shape of tins sealant is coming, but let us assume that this is, this is December, at that moment we know that there was construction activity on the roof. We also know that by the end of January, I mean, in fact, by the middle of January already, from correspondence, that the roof of morgue No. 1 had been completed, and one of the reasons for that we know that is the notorious Fergantung's letter of January 29, 1943. So, what is the reason that we know that this is not December 1942, but that this is or that we are already talking about probably February 1943.

Again from his post-trial book:[6]

Photo of Crematorium 2, taken from the south, December 1942. The gas chamber can be seen just to the right of the locomotive´s smokestack. The concrete roof is not yet covered with dirt, and therefore the tops of three of the four gas insertion columns can be seen. Courtesy Archive Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, Oswiecim.

[...]

One of the photos shows the back of Crematorium 2 shortly before its completion [K-II was completed at the end of March 1943]. One can see the basement space known in the plans as Morgue 1 projecting outward from the long side of the building. It is not yet covered with earth, and as a result one can easily see (just right of the smokestack of the locomotive in the foreground) the more or less cubical tops of three of the four wire-mesh Zyklon B insertion columns made by Kula, drawn by Olére, and described by Tauber.

(Only one small note, here one of the Pelt´s deceptions, he knows very well that Tauber described different device than Kula since he quoted both testimonies.[7])

And in his another post-trial book revised and updated, in part compiled probably by his colleague Debórah Dwork:[8]

[...]and one photo taken in early 1943 showed the roof of morgue 1 before the Germans covered it with layer of earth. This photo revealed square objects on the roof which clearly were the small chimneys that provided access to the holes.[9]

In short there is a list of dates provided by Pelt or by his books for the “train” photo:

- February 1942
- winter 1942
- not December 1942
- probably February 1943
- taken on December 1942
- early 1943

This man actually even does not know approximate date of the “train” photo. No doubt, somebody will try to blame stenographer, publishers and etc. for these contradictions and confusions.

That is not all. Pelt explained:[10]

Q:But I just want to establish you say we cannot draw conclusions just on the basis of this rather smudgy photograph? [“snow” photo]

A:Yes.

Q:It is ten inches across, but you cannot draw conclusions?

A:Yes.

Q: But can you draw conclusions from the previous photograph, which is even smudgier; is this what you are saying?

A: Yes, because there is something to see there. I mean this one is pretty smudgy, but in the original you actually see those box like structures above morgue No. 1.

But in his books:

- “This photo revealed square objects on the roof which clearly were the small chimneys[...]”

- “one can easily see (just right of the smokestack of the locomotive in the foreground) the more or less cubical tops of three of the four wire-mesh Zyklon B insertion columns[...]”

Thus he is not able too see if there are some visible traces of boards or planks under the snow layer (there are no protrusions suggesting some wood planks covering the alleged holes under the snow) but on the photo which is even more smudgier according to his own admission - his eyes are able to see square chimneys or even the cubical tops of the alleged wire columns themselves!

Here - as I think - he does not want to deceive anybody as this would have been very ridiculous, he probably confused alleged wire columns with chimneys, typical blunders for Pelt.

That is still not all, as he informed us, he knew about report from the Harry W. Mazal, Jamie McCarthy and Daniel Keren[11], but he claimed that we can “easily see (just right of the smokestack of the locomotive in the foreground) more or less cubical tops of three of the four wire-mesh Zyklon B insertion columns” but his own “experts” completely ignored one object right of the smokestack and claimed that alleged third chimney is hidden behind the smokestack, and fourth alleged chimney is left of the smokestack.

Objects are not the chimneys, as shown here and here they have different sizes and are placed on the east side of the morgue[12], 4th object left of the smokestack is again some building material already visible on the “Snow” photo. Possible objection is that the edges of the morgue are badly visible (in fact, they are quite visible) so is not possible to draw correct shape and central line to conclude where the objects are located and only a few pixels can allegedly affect this. This is firstly double standard as exterminationists clearly used this photo to “support” their own claims, secondly, this is of no importance, no matter if somebody will move edges of the morgue to the east, west, up, down, whatever, objects on the roof will always migrate from one half of the morgue to the second and they will not be at the correct positions. I.e. - if somebody wants to move the alleged chimney no. 1 to the western half of the morgue by adjusting the outlines sketched by Mattogno, then the alleged chimney no. 2 will be moved too.

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Notes

[1]In the High Court of Justice, Queen’s Bench Division, Royal Courts of Justice, Strand, London, David John Cawdell Irving vs. (1) Penguin Books Limited, (2) Deborah E. Lipstadt, 1996, Wednesday, 26th January 2000, pp. 6-7.; online
[2]Jean-Claude Pressac, Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers, The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York 1989, p. 340.; Available online online
[3]Ibid., p. 335.; Available online online
[4]Op. cit. (note 1), p. 9.
[5]Ibid., pp. 13-14.; Available online
[6]Robert Jan van Pelt, The Case for Auschwitz, Indiana University Press, 2002, p. 340.
[7]Ibid., p. 191, pp. 206ff.
[8]Debórah Dwork, Robert Jan van Pelt, 1996, Auschwitz 1270 to the present, W.W. Norton & Company Inc. 2002, p. 390.
[9]Dwork ten added that aerial photos taken in 1944 show black dots, and these dots were the holes, her note 29 assigned to this statement refers to Pelt´s Case for Auschwitz, p. 466, but there is not a work about aerial photos or black dots, source is thus bogus. Correct reference is page 465, there Pelt claimed that these smudges were the holes. This is quite false as the smudges are some 3-4 meters long.
[10]Op. cit. (note 1), Friday, 28th January, p. 113.; Available online
[11]J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 6), p. 495.
[12]Obviously because of the photos and locations of the smudges or objects, Pressac claimed that alleged holes were located “in a row down the east side of the room”, statement ignored by exterminationists of course, but no doubt, they know it very well; J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 2), p. 484.

[Bob]

Next, the August 23rd, 1944 photograph:

The quality is bad, but should be no different than the August 25th image below, which is the best quality aerial photograph. Notice the F1 and F2 fences have been extended (completed). I'd also like to mention that the area below crematorium III is the Auschwitz soccer field! That's right, the soccer field was right next to the gas chamber!

This photo is very important since is taken just two days before the famous August 25, 1944 photo. Here is a better version of the August 23 1944 photo.


With adjusted brightness/contrast to better match the August 25, 1944 photo.


And here's the August 25 photo for direct comparison


As can be seen, the photo is different, the smudges on LK1 of Krematorium III are very interesting because the alleged fourth smudge is missing completely, the rest are at different places.

Whatever these smudges are, they have nothing to with the alleged holes/chimney as repeatedly shown. This forgery was very simple, the forger simply enhanced the visible and probably natural discoloration of the roof on the most suitable places to create the illusion of equidistant distribution. This was a big problem in the case of LK1 of Krematorium III because exactly at the location of alleged hole 4, there is no discoloration which could have been used as a basis, but discoloration is visible on the opposite side - i.e. on the eastern half of the roof - but this was a problem since there was already smudge no. 3, so the forger had no other choice than to place it on the western half, where as we see on the August 23 1944 photo, there is no discoloration. This was risky in case some other photo closer to this date appeared, which actually happened in the case of this August 23 photo published in 2004. In the case of smudge no. 2, this was a problem too as the original smudge was placed too close to smudge no. 3, so the forger placed only a very little smudge there, clearly shorter that the others, otherwise, it would have been too close to smudge no. 3.

Left - Krematorium II - South
Right - Krematorium III - North
Up - West
Down - East
Smudge numbers - from right to left - 1, 2, 3, 4.