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Denial of Armenian Genocide outlawed in France

Postby Mkk » Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:13 am

It turns out that a law has been passed in France that outlaws the denial of the alleged Armenian genocide.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16306376

I posted it here so revisionists will no longer say the Holocaust is the only genocide outlawed... By the way, here is a website challenging the supposed Armenian genocide: http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/index.htm The latter figure the BBC give, about 300,000, is the correct one.
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Re: Denial of Armenian Genocide outlawed in France

Postby Kingfisher » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:45 am

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A cartoon from Le Monde. Loosely translated Sarkozy is saying "Right. Now, I'll teach you some proper history!" Notice that there are 2 files. One is on the Armenian genocide, but the other is unidentified -- title turned away from us -- and moths are flying out of it!
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Re: Denial of Armenian Genocide outlawed in France

Postby Hektor » Fri Dec 23, 2011 1:41 pm

So you were quicker then me :D .
Mkk wrote:It turns out that a law has been passed in France that outlaws the denial of the alleged Armenian genocide.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16306376
I posted it here so revisionists will no longer say the Holocaust is the only genocide outlawed... By the way, here is a website challenging the supposed Armenian genocide: http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/index.htm The latter figure the BBC give, about 300,000, is the correct one.

Actually, there were already bills passed that weren't specifically mentioning or ascribing the Holocaust/Jews. But this legislation was almost exclusively use against people questioning the Holocaust. Switzerlands anti-racism law would be an example of that.
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Re: Denial of Armenian Genocide outlawed in France

Postby Kingfisher » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:48 am

CONSTITUTIONAL COUNCIL BLOCKS ARMENIAN GENOCIDE DENIAL LAW.

COULD THE FABIUS-GAYSSOT LAW BE OVERTURNED AS WELL?


The Constitutional Council has ruled the Armenian genocide denial law unconstitutional.
http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2012/02/28/genocide-armenien-conseil-constitutionnel_n_1306687.html?ref=france

This has led to an article in Le Monde by a professor at Sciences Po arguing that the Gayssot Law, outlawing Holocaust Denial, must now also be considered unconstitutional.
http://www.lemonde.fr/idees/article/2012/03/05/le-conseil-constitutionnel-a-decide-de-rendre-le-negationnisme-licite_1651979_3232.html

The links are in French, so non French-speakers please insert them into Google Translate.
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Re: Denial of Armenian Genocide outlawed in France

Postby mdmguyon » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:31 pm

"In Turkey, it's a crime to affirm it."

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... -of-denial
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Re: Denial of Armenian Genocide outlawed in France

Postby mdmguyon » Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:10 pm

Mkk wrote:http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/index.htm

I believe the quote at the very end applies to some people on every side of every argument:

"I have no problem with any religion as long as it remains about belief rather than absolute certainty. Belief is compatible with respect and tolerance for other beliefs. Certainty is an arrogance that leads to intolerance, disrespect and, all too often, terror and war."

Certainty is usually dishonest, also.
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Re: Denial of Armenian Genocide outlawed in France

Postby borjastick » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:46 am

Correct me please if I am wrong, but I believe that President Sarkozy of France, is a descendant of Armenian Jews...
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Re: Denial of Armenian Genocide outlawed in France

Postby Werd » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:41 am

Sarkozy does have Jewish background. It was confirmed four years ago. Here is a bunch of stuff posted on another forum I've been on that dates back to late 2007. To me this is a lot of evidence.

TEHRAN, Oct. 17--A prestigious French daily reported that an email sent to 100 high-ranking police officials claims French President Nicholas Sarkozy is a former agent of the Israeli intelligence services, Mossad.
Le Figaro added that the letter was sent to French police officials late last winter and reiterated that Sarkozy was the fourth high-ranking spy of Israel.
The letter titled “Infiltration of Mossad in France’s ruling center-right UMP party“ insists that Sarkozy is a spy.
It also writes about widespread corruption in the UMP party.
The letter added that former Israeli prime minister, Menachem Begin, in 1978 ordered the head of his intelligence services to make former French Leader Charles De Gulle’s one of Israel’s associates.

http://www.iran-daily.com/1386/2968/htm ... tm#s266019


Les étranges accusations d'un cybercorbeau
JEAN-MARC LECLERC.
Publié le 12 octobre 2007
Actualisé le 12 octobre 2007 : 07h19

La PJ enquête sur un courriel envoyé durant la présidentielle à cent hauts responsables de la police. Il affirmait que Sarkozy, comme Balkany, Lellouche, Devedjian et Aeschlimann, étaient liés au Mossad.

UNE OFFICINE a-t-elle voulu déstabiliser Nicolas Sarkozy durant la campagne présidentielle ? Une enquête confiée à la Direction centrale de la police judiciaire doit l'établir. Fin mars 2007, dans la dernière droite de l'élection, tous les directeurs départementaux de la sécurité publique, soit une centaine de hauts fonctionnaires, ont été destinataires d'un étrange courriel. Le futur président y était taxé, ni plus ni moins, d'avoir été recruté dans les années 1980 par le Mossad, le service secret israélien.

Le texte envoyé se présente sous la forme d'une « note de synthèse » de deux pages. Son titre : « L'infiltration du Mossad israélien dans l'UMP. Nicolas Sarkozy : le quatrième homme. » Au-dessus, un pseudo-logo de la « DGSE ». « Tout cela respire la manip à plein nez, avec des relents d'extrême droite », prévient un cadre dirigeant au ministère de l'Intérieur.

Selon l'auteur du message, en 1978, le gouvernement de Menahem Begin aurait commandité l'infiltration du parti gaulliste pour en faire une sorte de partenaire d'Israël. L'opération aurait été montée par Rafael Eytan, maître-espion israélien. « Trois citoyens français prédisposés à collaborer » auraient donc été ciblés : Patrick Balkany, Patrick Devedjian et Pierre Lellouche. Balkany est présenté comme le chef du « réseau ».

En 1983, Patrick Balkany aurait recruté le « jeune et prometteur » Sarkozy, le « quatrième homme du Mossad ». Une cinquième recrue serait venue compléter le dispositif dans les années 1990 : Manuel Aeschlimann, député-maire d'Asnières (Hauts-de-Seine). Le cybercorbeau affirme que ce proche de Sarkozy est « chargé d'établir des contacts avec des responsables iraniens en France ». Une assertion d'autant plus perfide que sa ville d'Asnières accueille effectivement une forte communauté iranienne.

Aucune empreinte

Embarrassé, l'état-major policier d'alors a dû rapporter en haut lieu le contenu de ce courriel farfelu et la qualité de ses destinataires. Aussitôt, une enquête a été diligentée, confiée à la PJ. Les policiers ont découvert que le message est parti d'un cybercafé du Val-d'Oise.

Mais le corbeau a bien choisi le lieu de ses persiflages : dans ce commerce où l'anonymat est la règle, puisque la loi n'impose pas de présenter ses papiers pour accéder aux ordinateurs, il n'y avait pas de vidéosurveillance. Aucune empreinte, aucune trace d'ADN n'a pu être exploitée. L'expertise des machines n'a rien donné. Pas plus que l'analyse sémantique du texte.

Et l'enquête se poursuit à la demande du parquet. Au risque de donner à cette affaire une importance qu'elle ne méritait pas.

Apparently this is a correct translation:
The Strange Accusations of a Cyberinformer
Jean-Marc Leclerc
Le Figaro
Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:02 EDT

The Judicial Police are investigating an email sent during the presidential elections to 100 top police officials. It affirmed that Sarkozy, like Balkany, Lellouche, Devedjian, and Aeschlimann, were linked to Mossad.

Did someone want to destabilise Nicholas Sarkozy during the presidential campaign? An investigation confided to the Direction of the Judicial Police has as its goal to find out. At the end of March 2007, in the last days of the election, all of the departmental directors of public security, about 100 high bureaucrats, received a strange email. The future president was accused, neither more nor less, of having been recruited in the 1980s by Mossad, the Israeli secret service.

The text sent out presents itself as a "note of synthesis" of two pages. Titled "The infiltration of the UMP by Israel's Mossad. Nicholas Sarkozy : the fourth man". At the top of the email was a faked logo of the DGSE. "It smells like a manipulation coming from the extreme right", said a leading member of the Ministry of Interior.

According to the author of the message, in 1978, the government of Menachem Begin ordered the infiltration of the Gaullist party in order to make it a partner of Israel. The operation was supposedly led by Rafael Eytan, the Israeli master spy. "Three French citizens predisposed to collaborate" were targeted: Patrick Balkany, Patrick Devedjian and Pierre Lellouche. Balkany is presented as the head of the "network".

In 1983, Patrick Balkany supposedly recruited the "young and promising" Sarkozy, the "fourth Mossad man". A fifth recruit completed the group in the 1990s: Manuel Aeschmann, deputy mayor at Asnières (Hauts-de-Seine). The cyberinformer affirms that this man, close to Sarkozy, was "resposible for establishing contacts with Iranian leaders in France". This assertion is all the more perfidious because his town of Asnières effectively welcomes a strong Iranian community.

No Prints

An embarrassed senior policeman then had to report the contents of this crazy email and the quality of its recipients to the upper echelons. An investigation was immediately begun and given to the Judicial Police. The police discovered that the message was sent from a cybercafé in Val-d'Oise.

But the informer had been careful in choosing the site of his mockery: in this business where anonymity is the rule, because the law doesn't require that a person presents his identity papers before using the computers, there was no video surveillance. No fingerprints nor trace of DNA was found. Checking the machines turned nothing up either. Nor did a semantic analysis of the text.

The investigation continues at the demand of the public prosecutor's office, at the risk of giving to this affair an importance it does not deserve.


http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commen ... ration.htm
“….. Dear Barry Chamish,

I thought this would be of interest to you.

Nicolas Sarkozy who has taken over this week the leadership of the ruling Union for a Popular Movement (UMP), is on his way to head for the Elysee Palace in the 2007 presidential election.

His maternal grandfather, Benedict Mallah, a native of Ottoman Salonica immigrated to France in the early 20th century and immediately "became" a Catholic. According to the book written by the prominent historian Joseph Nehama (1881-1971) Histoire des Israelites de Salonique (part VI., pages 56, 66, 67) the Mallah family originated from the Provence region in France.

Haim Joseph Mallah, a rabbi from Salonica, spread out Sabbateanism in Ukraine and Poland. He died in 1720. This rabbi who was a member of the Donmeh in Thessaloniki was of the Karakash (the group the later false messiah Jacob Frank had ties with) subsect of the Sabbatians. This means that Mr. Nicolas Sarkozy too has family ties with the Donmeh of Turkey.
“Dear Mr. Chamish, I hope that you have not forgotten our earlier conversation regarding the theory I posited to you, that Karol Wojtyla is the leader of the Frankist subsect of the Sabbatians. If the information you've given in this email is correct, It would also explain Wojtyla's utility to the Polish and Soviet Communists during the Cold War, as they often made use of Nazi Collaborators for their own designs. The story of the Sabbatean/Frankist relation to WWII and the Holocaust remains to be written, although your efforts in this regard have done much-at least in my mind.”……….”


http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/868/in2.htm
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Gamal Nkrumah – Al-Ahram Weekly Online October 25-31

As if his marital challenges were not enough cause for concern, "Sarco the Sayan" has suddenly emerged as the most infamous accolade of French President Nicolas Sarkozy. The influential French daily Le Figaro last week revealed that the French leader once worked for -- and perhaps still does, it hinted -- Israeli intelligence as a sayan (Hebrew for helper), one of the thousands of Jewish citizens of countries other than Israel who cooperate with the katsas (Mossad case-officers).

A letter dispatched to French police officials late last winter -- long before the presidential election but somehow kept secret -- revealed that Sarkozy was recruited as an Israeli spy. The French police is currently investigating documents concerning Sarkozy's alleged espionage activities on behalf of Mossad, which Le Figaro claims dated as far back as 1983. According to the author of the message, in 1978, Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin ordered the infiltration of the French ruling Gaullist Party, Union pour un Mouvement Populaire. Originally targeted were Patrick Balkany, Patrick Devedjian and Pierre Lellouche. In 1983, they recruited the "young and promising" Sarkozy, the "fourth man".

Ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky describes how sayanim function in By Way Of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer. They are usually reached through relatives in Israel. An Israeli with a relative in France, for instance, might be asked to draft a letter saying the person bearing the letter represents an organisation whose main goal is to help save Jewish people in the Diaspora. Could the French relative help in any way? They perform many different roles. A car sayan, for example, running a rental car agency, could help the Mossad rent a car without having to complete the usual documentation. An apartment sayan would find accommodation without raising suspicions, a bank sayan could fund someone in the middle of the night if needs be, a doctor sayan would treat a bullet wound without reporting it to the police.

And, a political sayan ? It's rather obvious what this could mean. The sayanim are a pool of people at the ready who will keep quiet about their actions out of loyalty to "the cause", a non-risk recruitment system that draws from the millions of Jewish people outside Israel.

Such talk sends chills down spines, especially Arab and Muslim ones. Indeed, the revelation did not go unnoticed in Arab capitals or come as much of a surprise. Paris can be a sunny place for shady people. When it comes to intelligence gathering on behalf of Israel, a question mark is immediately raised on the moral calibre of the person in question. But, how does this scandal influence France's foreign and domestic politics?

It is of symbolic significance that Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was on a state visit to France in the immediate aftermath of Le Figaro 's exposé -- ostensibly to discuss Iran's nuclear agenda and the Palestinian question. Proud and prickly France under its supposedly savvy new president hopes to play a more prominent role in the perplexing world of Middle Eastern politics. On Monday, Sarkozy flew to Morocco, the ancestral home of many of France's Jewry, soon after his Mossad connection was made public. There is no clear evidence that the revelation is to make France any more unpopular in the Arab world than it already is, especially not in official circles.

On the domestic front, however, there are many conflicting considerations. The Jews of France now display a touch of the vapours, in sharp contrast to the conceited triumphalism with which they greeted his election: "we are persuaded that the new president will continue eradicating anti-Israeli resistance," Sammy Ghozlan, president of the Jewish Community of Paris pontificated soon after Sarkozy's election. France is home to 500,000 Jews, mostly Sephardic Jews originally from North Africa and Mediterranean countries.

Sarkozy's own maternal grandfather Aron Mallah, hailed from Salonika, Greece, and is said to have exercised considerable influence on his grandson. Even though raised as a Roman Catholic, "Sarkozy played a critical role in moving the French government to do what is necessary to address the ill winds that threaten the largest Jewish community in Western Europe," noted David Harris, the executive director of the American Jewish Committee. Sarkozy, after all, was a political product of the predominantly Jewish elite neighbourhood of Neuilly-sur-Seine, where he long served as mayor.

France's Muslim minority was far from surprised by Le Figaro 's revelations, even though some may have feigned disappointment. Others have been more forthright. "France is not run by Frenchmen, but by lackeys of the Zionist International who control the economy," lamented Radio Islam, of militant Islamist tendencies. When Sarkozy was France's minister of interior and clamped down hard on Muslim immigrants, calling mainly Muslim rioters "scum" in a widely-publicised interview, they retaliated by calling him "Sarkozy, sale juif [dirty Jew]". Obviously there is no love lost between the five million-strong French Muslim community, the largest in Western Europe, and the French president. He has grounds for concern. He assiduously courts the Israelis. That much is known.

In the scientific annals of French politics there is a cautionary tale of pantomime. French presidents are not always what they seem. There are, however, two key observations concerning Sarkozy. One, is Sarkozy's intention of implementing a "new social contract" between employers and employees, capital and labour. This smacks of Thatcherism. His determination to force a "cultural revolution" in the collective national psyche is a trifle farcical. And unprincipled to boot. He recently introduced legislation -- in tandem with his pension cuts, calling for genetic profiling of immigrants to ensure any relatives intending to immigrate are linked genetically. The strategy appears to be to soften the blow of the social security cuts by appealing to xenophobic racism.

The state of race relations in France is an even more muddled picture than the devastating caricatures by French-African comedian Dieudonne suggest. He is notorious for playing the part of a Hassidic Jew who mimics the Nazi salute. Few politicians blame their troubles on cynical comedians, though, and Sarkozy is no exception. His fans point accusing fingers at the "irresponsible press".

The real magic starts when you power Sarkozy with his ex-model wife. She, after all, played a part in the freeing of the Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian medical doctor. She, too, is of Spanish-Jewish ancestry. But, that may be nothing but an insignificant aside. France, generally, regarded their bust-up as something of a bad joke. Unlike the Americans, the French do not take the private lives of their presidents terribly seriously. There was the late François Mitterrand, for example. Hardly anyone in all France raised an eyebrow when it transpired that he had an illegitimate daughter. The French are more concerned with the ideological orientation and political affiliation of their president and are not in the least interested in their private affairs -- at least not in any political sense.

The interesting twist, however, is that the contest between Cecilia and Nicolas Sarkozy is a comic cross between a lover's tiff and the battle of the sexes. It appears befuddled French voters are being forced to turn a blind eye to their leaders' antics. Sarkozy's divorce follows hard on the heels of the separation of France's first female presidential candidate Ségolène Royal, the "gazelle" of French politics, from her lifelong lover François Hollande barely a month after she lost the presidential race in May. Moreover, at the tender age of 19, Royal sued her father for his refusal to divorce her mother and pay alimony and child support. That was way back in 1972; barely a decade later she won the case against her father. Ironically, Royal's own mentor the late French socialist president Mitterrand was notorious for his extra-marital affairs, the most conspicuous being his love affair with Anne Pingeot and subsequent disclosure towards the end of his life that he fathered an illegitimate daughter Mazarine with her.

And, what of the voters? The latest hazard facing the French president has been his socio-economic policies. Sarkozy's showdown with the trade unions threatens to turn into a deciding moment for France. Foreign policy, too, has come under much scrutiny. France has become fanatically Atlanticist under the presidency of Sarkozy. Although, unlike US President George W Bush, Sarkozy does not make much noise about his own dubious religious convictions. The commonest criticism of Sarkozy is that he is overly conscious of his religious heritage, a trait that is not appreciated by the fanatically secular French political establishment. France is culturally the most irreligious country in Europe, itself the most secular and anti-religious of the world's continents.

For a politician acclaimed for his acumen, it is startling that Sarkozy has been tripped up by events he should have seen coming. His sagacity obviously failed him this week. Le Figaro let the cat out of the bag. And his wife, too, after shopping with Lyudmila Putin, the Russian first lady, apparently decided that she had had enough of being treated as "part of the furniture" and made their rift very public.

France is now in the awkward position of having no first lady. The 49 year- old former model, lawyer and political advisor is by no means media shy. "I gave Nicolas 20 years of my life," she told the popular French magazine Elle in a special feature which she asked for personally, despite the awkwardness of its timing. She had long complained of being politically peripheralised. Troubling as that interpretation is, it is in a way a consoling one for Sarkozy. He is now free to handle his opponents without his maverick Cecilia breathing down his neck or, on the contrary, disappearing at crucial moments.

Even with his personal life in tatters, Sarkozy is obliged to hoist the French tricoleur high in the international arena. Which flag is it to be?




http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=3 ... =351020603
Sarkozy ex-Mossad secret agent

Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:09:30
A report reveals that French President Nicolas Sarkozy worked for Israeli intelligence for a long time before he was elected president.

French daily Le Figaro has revealed the French leader once worked for the Zionist regime as a sayan, Hebrew for 'collaborator'.

Ex-Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky says sayans, who perform many roles, are Jewish citizens of other nationalities assisting Mossad.

Le Figaro claimed that French police officials managed to keep secret a letter, which exposed Sarkozy's past participation in espionage activities for Mossad.

The letter fixed Sarkozy's alleged spying activities as far back as 1983.

In the immediate aftermath of Le Figaro's exposé, the Zionist regime's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was on a state visit to France to discuss Iran's nuclear program, which raised more questions about the report.

Analysts believe since Sarkozy took office in May, he has taken every opportunity to pledge his allegiance to the United States and the Zionist regime.

"Sarko the Sayan" has also followed in the footsteps of the White House by choosing a hostile approach toward Iran and its peaceful nuclear activities.
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