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Did the British try to conceal "knowledge of the Holocaust"/extermination of Jews?

Postby Hektor » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:09 pm)

British government departments and intelligence services that is.

It was the extinction of Germany, not the defeat of Nazism, which was the priority of the British. In fact, due to consistent British sabotage of the German resistance, even providing information to the Nazis, to liquidate resistance fighters, and refusal to take action against concentration camps, the British succeeded in prolonging the war and killing massive numbers of Germans . There were as many casualties in the last nine months of the war, that is after the failed attempt against Hitler by Stauffenberg, as in the entire five years of war up to that point.

The British bear direct responsibility for the Holocaust, as well. Not only did they not intervene to bomb rail lines into concentration camps, once the existence of such camps had become common knowledge, but they deliberately concealed information they had about the Holocaust years earlier.

In a report which appeared in the Daily Telegraph , Oct. 15, 1998, “MI6 ‘Concealed Extermination of Jews for a Year,’ ” and in a London Times piece entitled, “Britain Accused of Hiding Facts on Holocaust,” the role of Churchill and MI6 are laid bare. The stories are based on what is documented in a new book, by American University historian Richard Breitman, entitled. Official Secrets: What the Nazis Planned , What the British and Americans Knew, based on his reading of recently declassified intercepts by British codebreakers during the Second World War. Breitman reveals that the Churchill government, and Churchill personally, knew about the Holocaust a year earlier than was thought , and concealed the information from the Allies. Britain had recognized the Nazi policy of mass killing of Jews in the East by mid-September 1941 , and by the following January, realized that Hitler was intent on exterminating European Jewry. Nevertheless, the information from the secret radio intercepts was not passed on to the United States until 1982 (!), as part of an American investigation of suspected war criminals.

According to Breitman, Churchill’s reputation as “a great hero” should be challenged, since he should have alerted Jews in Germany’s satellite states and in neutral countries, while Roosevelt’s role in the whole story should be more positively reassessed, as he was kept in the dark by the British. In a statement Oct. 14, quoted by the Times, Breitman says: “The British did not share these decodes with the Americans. There was a secrecy reason for not doing so, but there were also a number of conflicts, and a great deal of mistrust between London and Washington on Jewish issues. Anthony Eden [the Foreign Secretary] was a strongly negative influence. To some extent, the reputation of Roosevelt needs adjustment on this issue, because the British knew this earlier. I do not see how it follows that Churchill was a great hero in responding to the Holocaust and Roosevelt was a great villain.”

Breitman charges that the British “simply hoarded” the vital information they were accruing, on transport and other aspects of the infrastructure of the Holocaust. Asked by the Telegraph how he assessed British conduct in late 1941 and much of 1942, he said: “I do not use the word ‘atrocious,’ but I believe that Britain, not in a military sense but in a political and diplomatic sense, could have done more than it did.”

https://archive.org/details/ExecutiveIn ... ctober1998


Guess that's innuendo on deportation and reprisal killings again. The decodes got nothing on homicidal gassings. Or what was it that the British "concealed" and now has been concealed? Show us the pink elephant. Decodes have been discussed here previously and they don't lend themselves to prove an extermination policy of Jews involving use of homicidal gas chambers. But perhaps there are some documents we've not known about previously. Any idea?

I'll go into betrayal of traitors issue in the WW2 section of this forum later (on this John Wheeler Bennett character). Here we just deal with the Holocaust issues.



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Re: Did the British try to conceal "knowledge of the Holocaust"/extermination of Jews?

Postby Hannover » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:49 pm)

Looks like another scam for 'holocau$t' cash.

Indeed, there were self serving propaganda claims made by unethical Zionist Jews about millions of Jews supposedly being gassed etc. during the war and no one, for good reason, took them seriously.

There were / are still aerial photos which were taken of Auschwitz / Birkenau at times when Jews and 'others' were allegedly being gassed in 'industrial' like conditions, batch after batch of ca. two thousand at a time. These photos show no such 'extermination' in progress at Auschwitz / Birkenau.

We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000.
There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

In fact, supremacist Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since at least 1869?

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Search Breitman at this form for more on him. 'Demolished' comes to mind.

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Re: Did the British try to conceal "knowledge of the Holocaust"/extermination of Jews?

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:31 am)

Hektor wrote:British government departments and intelligence services that is.

Breitman charges that the British “simply hoarded” the vital information they were accruing, on transport and other aspects of the infrastructure of the Holocaust. Asked by the Telegraph how he assessed British conduct in late 1941 and much of 1942, he said: “I do not use the word ‘atrocious,’ but I believe that Britain, not in a military sense but in a political and diplomatic sense, could have done more than it did.”

https://archive.org/details/ExecutiveIn ... ctober1998


Breitman's assertions r.e. "transport" were rubbished by Nick Terry years ago:

Both Walter Laqueur and Richard Breitman have argued that it ought to have been possible for the British to have determined that a very large number of deportation transports were arriving at Auschwitz through signals’ intercepts of German railway traffic. The Ministry of Economic Warfare maintained a Railway Research Section to analyze German railway transportation and, according to Breitman,
the railway decodes must have contained even more detailed information, so British intelligence analysts must have known about the scale of deportations. They also knew from the data that the Auschwitz camp population was not taking in Jews in numbers comparable to what the transports must have brought and that Jews were not departing. Had Auschwitz become one of the largest cities of Europe? There was only one logical conclusion about the fate of Jews transported there.

There are grounds, however, for questioning the validity of Breitman’s assumption that the British “must have known about the scale of deportations” by analyzing railway traffic. The number of “special trains” (in other words, those not running according to normal passenger or goods train schedules) used for deportations was an almost infinitesimal fraction of overall railway traffic in occupied Europe. In April 1942, thirty-seven transports of Jews amounted to just over 1 percent of 3,523 special trains and upward of 30,000 scheduled trains. Identifying special transports from railway intercepts would be to find the proverbial needle in the haystack.

pp. 389-390


Hektor wrote:Guess that's innuendo on deportation and reprisal killings again. The decodes got nothing on homicidal gassings. Or what was it that the British "concealed" and now has been concealed? Show us the pink elephant. Decodes have been discussed here previously and they don't lend themselves to prove an extermination policy of Jews involving use of homicidal gas chambers. But perhaps there are some documents we've not known about previously. Any idea?

The article you found is nigh on nineteen years old, so it's unlikely to based on anything newly discovery. Wouldn't you agree?

Breitman—asides from his guff on train decodes—was clearly referring to documents like the following that show that British Intelligence and Churchill were well aware that there was something very nasty going on:
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No one's yet found any decode that refers to homicidal gassings, but I believe it's a possibility that there may be decodes concerning gas vans that have so far been over looked; the handful of individuals who have looked through the vast number of German police decodes wouldn't have had the specialist knowledge that might be needed to identify decodes that appear to be concerning regular vehicles being dispatched from one location to another. If someone with Hans' knowledge on gas vans had the chance to look through the decodes, they might be able to spot some that can be shown to be about gas vans by using other evidence, i.e. German documents.
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Re: Did the British try to conceal "knowledge of the Holocaust"/extermination of Jews?

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:29 am)

I forgot about these October 1941 decodes, which were shown by Breitman [Official Secrets, p.99 & 276] to be about gas vans:

An extraordinary act of army-SS cooperation and inhumanity came after German troops reached the city of Novgorod near Lake Ilmen, about one hundred kilometers southeast of Leningrad. In a hospital there, most of the (Russian) patients were suffering from dysentery. The German troops needed the building as quarters, but what could they do with the patients? A senior physician with the Army High Command by the name of Freyberg knew that a special unit under the command of Herbert Lange (based in Posen) had disposed of unwanted patients elsewhere with a mobile gassing van. Freyberg put in a request that Lange, five subordinates, and the gas van be sent from Posen on a military transport plane to Novgorod. Higher SS and Police Leader Wilhelm Koppe in Posen relayed this request to Himmler himself. The Reich Fuehrer SS quickly gave his permission, and Lange was sent off immediately. The British read the whole exchange (which comes to light here for the first time).[46] The army did not have to involve itself in the messy work of murdering hundreds of patients.

[46. German Police Decodes, 3. Oct. 1941, items 22 and 23; 4 Oct. 1941, item 20; both PRO HW 16/32]


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Re: Did the British try to conceal "knowledge of the Holocaust"/extermination of Jews?

Postby Hannover » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Thu Dec 29, 2016 11:48 pm)

Real yawners from Rabbit, yesterday's news.

Rabbit said:
Breitman—asides from his guff on train decodes—was clearly referring to documents like the following that show that British Intelligence and Churchill were well aware that there was something very nasty going on:

Indeed, WWII was quite nasty and in the European east the Germans were up against the Soviet Army and the illegal partisans, aka: terrorists, as they are called in today's parlance. Jews were heavily represented in these terrorist groups and legally executed per international law.

I recommend readers see this previous thread for the facts of the matter:

'two British decodes of Police Batallion 320'
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9411

brief excerpt:
The British decodes docs, while being real documents made in Britain, not by Germans, only mention shooting in the context of legal anti-partisan operations which everyone agrees did occur, there we anti-partisan operations. The actual numbers in those documents seem suspect, for reasons I previously mentioned, and their are no mass graves to support them, even though the exact locations of such mass graves are claimed to be known. That dog, don't hunt.
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I also see The Rabbit wisely punting to 'Hans' on the laughable & "gas vans".
If someone with Hans' knowledge on gas vans had the chance to look through the decodes, they might be able to spot some that can be shown to be about gas vans by using other evidence, i.e. German documents.

This 'Hans' (demolished repeatedly at his forum on all facets of The Big Lie) has no knowledge of what did not exist, as we have shown at this forum, i.e.:

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The Gas Vans: A Critical Assessment of the Evidence
by INGRID WECKERT
http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndwagon.html

- phoney gas vans / J. McCarthy & 'holocaust' Hist. Proj.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73

NEWS! magazine & Wiesenthal Ctr. caught faking 'gas vans'!
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8534

Graf debunks the laughable 'gas vans'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8251

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Re: Did the British try to conceal "knowledge of the Holocaust"/extermination of Jews?

Postby borjastick » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:08 am)

But we know that the numbers per train load were much less than has been claimed for many years (see how many people fit in a cattle car) and we also know that there were indeed many transports out of Auschwitz (see all the data shown clearly from British decrypts on whatreallyhappened.info) so what was anyone to conclude?

There were work camps and concentration camps and no believable info that anything untoward was happening in them. People are using post event 20/20 vision tinted with a wash of 'holocaust happened menthol' to see what they want to see.

As for gas vans being used to kill hundreds of Russians soldiers in a hospital suffering from dysentery, good God why oh why would you bother to do this, even if it were actually possible. Just shoot them.
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Re: Did the British try to conceal "knowledge of the Holocaust"/extermination of Jews?

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:42 pm)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:I forgot about these October 1941 decodes, which were shown by Breitman [Official Secrets, p.99 & 276] to be about gas vans:

An extraordinary act of army-SS cooperation and inhumanity came after German troops reached the city of Novgorod near Lake Ilmen, about one hundred kilometers southeast of Leningrad. In a hospital there, most of the (Russian) patients were suffering from dysentery. The German troops needed the building as quarters, but what could they do with the patients? A senior physician with the Army High Command by the name of Freyberg knew that a special unit under the command of Herbert Lange (based in Posen) had disposed of unwanted patients elsewhere with a mobile gassing van. Freyberg put in a request that Lange, five subordinates, and the gas van be sent from Posen on a military transport plane to Novgorod. Higher SS and Police Leader Wilhelm Koppe in Posen relayed this request to Himmler himself. The Reich Fuehrer SS quickly gave his permission, and Lange was sent off immediately. The British read the whole exchange (which comes to light here for the first time).[46] The army did not have to involve itself in the messy work of murdering hundreds of patients.

[46. German Police Decodes, 3. Oct. 1941, items 22 and 23; 4 Oct. 1941, item 20; both PRO HW 16/32]


I see now that these particular decodes were discussed at the libel trial Irving brought against Penguin/Lipstadt.

Peter Longerich argued that these decodes don't necessarily mean an actual gas van was flown to Novograd, it could mean that Sonderkommando Lange flew out there with bottles of CO to kill the patients:

Mr Irving:
There is only point in disputing what Sonderkommando Langer [sic] was up to. Are you familiar with the fact that it was also apparently flown, according to Brightman [sic], to take part in operations, I think Novgarod [sic]?

Dr Heinz Peter Longerich:
Yes. This is the link between the Warthegau killings and the killings in Russia because we know from actually, it is the intercepts I think, we know that Himmler summoned the Sonderkommando to Novgarod where they killed the inmates of a local home for disabled people. This is an essential part of the history of the Chelmno extermination camp. This is the link.

Mr Irving:
Does not the document show that the Sonderkommando was flown to Novgarod?

Dr Heinz Peter Longerich:
Yes.

Mr Irving:
How could they have put their van in a plane?

Dr Heinz Peter Longerich:
I did not say that they used a van. They killed the people obviously with bottles.

Mr Irving:
By some other means?

Dr Heinz Peter Longerich:
No, with bottles, gas in bottles.

Day 25, 24.02.00, pp.137-8.
https://www.hdot.org/day25/#

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/transcripts/day025.htm
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Re: Did the British try to conceal "knowledge of the Holocaust"/extermination of Jews?

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:02 pm)

The first of the 3 decodes says a "JU 52" was to be flown to Posen to collect five men of Sonderkommando Lange.

A Junkers Ju 52 wasn't big enough to carry any sort of vehicle, so Longerich must be right.

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Re: Did the British try to conceal "knowledge of the Holocaust"/extermination of Jews?

Postby Hannover » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:48 pm)

The Rabbit said:
Peter Longerich argued that these decodes don't necessarily mean an actual gas van was flown to Novograd, it could mean that Sonderkommando Lange flew out there with bottles of CO to kill the patients:

Please present proof that bottles of CO2 were used to kill the patients.
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