Irving blames Zundel for deportation

[offlineIggy]

Look at the top of Irving's website

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/

There's a "quote" from Zundel. Can anyone verify if it's real?

[offline Hannover]

Does Irving blame Zundel?

"I should not have taken my attorney's advice. I was a fool and should have driven to [the US Immigration hearing] and I wouldn't be sitting here."

--Ernst Zündel, quoted by the Canadian Press, April 2, 2003

Or is Irving simply posting the 'quote' for review and or comment? I question the authenticity of the quote myself.

I suggest Zundel's wife, Dr. Ingrid Rimland, for the final word.

- Hannover

[offlinesemblance7]

Not a very timely quote though. What's Irving up to?

[offline Haldan]

I have sent Mrs. Rimland a short e-mail, and will await her answer.

-haldan

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Response by Mrs. Rimland:

I have never heard that quote before. The Canadian Press is not exactly known for quoting correctly.

He could not have gone to a "hearing" of which he was never informed.

Ingrid

[offline Hannover]

Yep, as I thought, a bald face lie from the 'Canadian Press'.

- Hannover

[offline Hannover]

Good work, Haldan. I have notified Irving of Dr. Rimland's response.

- Hannover

[offlineIggy]

I'm sorry, but since is the Canadian Press known for lying?

Incidentally I found the story on the Lexis-Nexis database for newspapers.

[offlineCarto's Cutlass Supreme]

Shouldn't the title of this post be "Irving offers quote that states Zundel blames self for deportation."?

[offlineIggy]

Sure, I guess it could be taken that way. It just concerns me that Irving one day is defending Zundel against deportation and another day is posting potentially incriminating information on his website.

Doesn't make sense, does it?

[offline Hotzenplotz]

"I should not have taken my attorney's advice. I was a fool and should have driven to [the US Immigration hearing] and I wouldn't be sitting here."

--Ernst Zündel, quoted by the Canadian Press, April 2, 2003

I interpreted Zündel as implying that he was a fool because he didn't emmigrate to the US but trusted in that he would be treated fairly by Canada. So Irving by quoting him would seem to be bashing Canada for extraditing him. But maybe I'm completely wrong.

[offlineCarto's Cutlass Supreme]

Zundel went to live with Rimland in the US, and apparently his attorney told him to just not go to his immigration hearing. We have about 40 million illegal immigrants in the US. Maybe that's a slight exaggeration but not by much, and the Immigration and Naturalization hardly ever does anything. But with Jewish pressure, they show up at Rimland's house in Arkansas and took him to Canada. The INS people probably passed 1000 illegals on the road on the way there.

Prison and in Zundel's case solitary confinement is so emotionally and psychologically damaging that who knows what he might have said in that situation.

I guess I can see Iggy's point, wondering why Irving put that quote with no comment, and how it looks.

[offline comrade seinfeld]

Look at the top of Irving's website

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/

There's a "quote" from Zundel. Can anyone verify if it's real?

I know from bitter experience that you should never have total faith in a lawyer. If you are intelligent enough to appreciate the debate concerning "Holocaust" revisionism, then you are intelligent enough to conduct your own legal defence, if the issue is important to you.

Also, the below link is interesting:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/trial/diary/index.html
Perhaps TRF could simply a way to access that for those of us who have to rely on publicly available computers?

[offlineTurpitz]

I interpreted Zündel as implying that he was a fool because he didn't emmigrate to the US but trusted in that he would be treated fairly by Canada. So Irving by quoting him would seem to be bashing Canada for extraditing him. But maybe I'm completely wrong.

That's how I read it also. I cannot see Irving who has had plenty of personal experience of these "professional" lawyers let him down with their utter incompetence then ridicule Zundel for being let down also.

I'm sorry, but since is the Canadian Press known for lying?

My God, do you still have faith in the press? I wouldn't piss on them, if they were on fire.

[offline comrade seinfeld]

Look at the top of Irving's website

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/

There's a "quote" from Zundel. Can anyone verify if it's real?

Possibly Irving must be reading TRF, because I don't think the below link was there yesterday, my time:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/05/Zunde ... wyers.html

Also in this newspaper report it is claimed that Zundel said that "During yesterday's hearing, Zündel said he admired Nazi leader Adolf Hitler and that he considered Hitler the Great One." Certainly Zundel is entitled to hold and publicly state whatever political ideology he sees fit to espouse, but, in the circumstances, if the report is true (which can surely be confirmed, if possible, by reading a transcript of the Immigration and Refugee Board hearing), then it was undoubtedly a very injudicious thing to say, although, since he has been pushed from pillar to post essentially because he holds sincerely certain beliefs (where is Amnesty International and the other politically correct liberals?), he has probably become fatalistic, which, however, unfortunately made it easier for his persecutors. While, as a neo-marxist, I would be inclined to think that Hitler was a misguided utopian (who, like the Stalinist State-capitalists, could only be utilized by the worldwide bourgeois ruling class), whom I would be prepared to enter into dialogue with (if possible), most people in the world, regretfully, regard Hitler as the modern-day equivalent of the Devil, and this would need to have been taken into account in Zundel's instance; but, and about this I am not sure, he possibly has stated his admiration for Adolf Hitler many times in the past, so that being circumspect in this regard would not have made any difference.

[offline Hannover]

Indeed, I have communicated with Irving about this. He has seen Dr. Rimland's response that was posted here; he stated to me today:

yes I see Ingrid does not like it. I snatched the quote from the foot of
a hostile (Jewish) email sent to me. I have no reason whatever to doubt
he said it though.

- Hannover