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Father Patrick Desbois' "Holocaust by Bullets"

Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:28 am

I have the book The Holocaust by Bullets by Father Patrick Desbois. It is stunning for its total lack of any forensic evidence that even one person was ever killed by the Nazis.

Not even the smallest fragment of a bone was found in any of the alleged mass graves. The "evidence" that is presented on three of the sixteen pages of color photographs consists of nothing more than expended bullet cartridges, presumably German, which were found near some of the alleged mass grave sites--but not even the smallest bone or clothing fragment of a victim, or anyone, was found. On the 16 pages of colour photographs, aside from the bullet cartridges, all one sees are dreary scenes of delapidated farms in Russia and so-called "eyewitnesses" who appear to be the most pathetic, village idiots that one could find anywhere.

The book is not merely the work of a lone, priestly crank but the result of considerable collaboration with Yad Vashem and the USHMM. The book is also a "National Jewish Book Award Winner." On the backcover Deborah Lipstadt tells us that "His [Desbois'] contribution to history and to human memory, as chronicled in this important book, is immeasurable." The book was also "published with the support of the USHMM."

Well, the book undermines everything we have been told about the Einsatzgruppen--that is its contribution to history, and it is a great contribution indeed. Where Desbois expected to find substantial forensic evidence, he found absolutely nothing except plain, simple dirt. To cover his failure, Desbois falls back on the old story that the Nazis dug up all the bodies long after victims had been shot and burned them out in the open somewhere. Well, there would still have been lots of bone fragments left if that had been the way things happened.

One has to see this book for oneself to realize that the hoax really is as bad and as big as it truly is. It is also additional reason to demand that "revisionists" who still believe in the holocaust by bullets nonsense, Mark Weber and David Irving especially, either come up with some serious evidence or stop their cowardly backsliding. The so-called holocaust really is a dirty jewish HOAX. There was no extermination program by gassings OR BY BULLETS. Desbois, without intending it, provides the strongest indirect evidence for this view that one could imagine.

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Postby ASMarques » Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:10 am

Father Desbois has proven the "Holocaust" by discovering spent cartridges all over a continent-sized war zone. A true genius, entirely deserving his country's highest decoration, the Légion d'honneur (which, of course, he did get for his efforts). :clown:
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Postby MrNobody » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:09 am

I'm so angry I can't even formulate a proper response to this charlatan except to say this is probably the most shameful moment in the History of Holocaust Myth Making in 60 years.

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Where Desbois expected to find substantial forensic evidence, he found absolutely nothing except plain, simple dirt. To cover his failure, Desbois falls back on the old story that the Nazis dug up all the bodies long after victims had been shot and burned them out in the open somewhere. Well, there would still have been lots of bone fragments left if that had been the way things happened.


As usual, the shysters have trouble keeping their stories straight!

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Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:41 pm

There are some photos of bones from Desbois' excavations which did not appear in his book. One can only wonder why?

They appear and are discussed on the RODOH Forum on page 3 of a thread started by HerbivorousMoose but which I cannot include here because it is blocked by this forum's webmaster. They also appear on a related link to the one posted above by MrNobody.

But what is missing is any sign that the dead were killed with bullets!!! If they had been shot, there would be many fractures that could be directly attributed to gunfire. Perhaps, the failure of such evidence is why Desbois did not include these pictures, or any like them, in his book. The cause or causes of death should be easy enough to establish with the skeletons which appear here.

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Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:31 am

The following three photos appear in some articles related to Desbois' excavations, but NOT in his book. Why?

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But, the above three photos show no signs of shooting as one might expect. On page 177 of the book it says: "The impact of the bullets and the position of the bodies showed that they had all been shot and buried alive." But, there is not even a claim anywhere in the book that a bullet was found in the Busk mass graves, or anywhere else. Where is there a bullet wound or hole to show there was some kind of mass shooting? Surely, if there had been any such wounds or fractures, the professional photographer who accompanied Desbois, even with a helicopter, would have photographed such critical evidence. They photographed several thousand expended cartridges but could not find a single bullet to show us from an actual presumed massacre site. Amazing!

The 17 mass graves of presumed Jews at Busk were next to a regular Jewish cemetery--and, I suspect, were an extension of the Jewish cemetery. If one digs down into any cemetery anywhere in the world, one is likely to find bones and skeletons--WOW!

We even have a YouTube video which tells us that the Germans did not use bullets for many of the mass killings. Many of the victims were simply buried alive and afterwards "the earth moved for two weeks." Hmmm--I guess that explains the failure to find any bullets among the dead at Busk or anywhere else--WOW! So, maybe, it wasn't even a "holocaust by bullets" at all?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgOox7_7 ... se.en.html

Father Patrick Desbois is insane and so are holocaust believers in general! I have to add here, that so long as imbeciles like Desbois are on the loose and are even highly regarded for whatever reasons, wars are inevitable--and thermonuclear disasters as well. Dick Cheney has lots and lots of company. As a species, we are in big trouble. It is nice to believe that pacifism is an alternative but, more realistically, I think at some point one has to take up whatever arms one can, and needs, to resist real extermination by the imbeciles.

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Postby MrNobody » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:45 am

Who's to say that the "Mass Graves" are not those of German Soldiers who were butchered simply for being German Soldiers?

I'm currently reading Panzer Operations
The Eastern Front Memoir of General Erhard Raus, 1941-1945

He Commanded a Panzer Regiment of the 6th Panzer Div at the beginning of Operation Barbarossa & went on to Command the 4th Panzer Armee.

Pretty much since day 1 of Barbarossa he relates numerous accounts of the atrocities committed by the Russians against German Soldiers
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Postby KostasL » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:49 am

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:The following three photos appear in some articles related to Desbois' excavations, but NOT in his book. Why?


This is really weird. :?

But, the above three photos show no signs of shooting as one might expect.


That's true. :?

On page 177 of the book it says: "The impact of the bullets and the position of the bodies showed that they had all been shot and buried alive."


Shot and buried alive ? These Germans are completely incompetent. They failed to gass the Jews in gas chambers and it is no surprise that they even failed to kill them with fireguns. :lol:

Are we talking about the same Germans that fought during the WW2 ? :o

But, there is not even a claim anywhere in the book that a bullet was found in the Busk mass graves, or anywhere else. Where is there a bullet wound or hole to show there was some kind of mass shooting?


We expect lots of bullets in the graves and most skeletons shall provide evidence of the shootings. If they were shot, no doubt for this. 8)

The 17 mass graves of presumed Jews at Busk were next to a regular Jewish cemetery--and, I suspect, were an extension of the Jewish cemetery. If one digs down into any cemetery anywhere in the world, one is likely to find bones and skeletons--WOW!


One photo clearly shows a mass grave. A mass grave is not to be found in any cemetery. Right ?
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Postby MrNobody » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:12 am

KostasL wrote:
Are we talking about the same Germans that fought during the WW2 ? :o



All these atrocities were obviously carried out by Schultz & his gang from that Stalag Camp where the Allies ran the biggest, baddest & bestess Resistance Ring in Europe, it was obviously Schultzies punishment to be sent to the Eastern Front to carry out these shootings when the jig was finally up.

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Postby ASMarques » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:35 am

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:On page 177 of the book it says: "The impact of the bullets and the position of the bodies showed that they had all been shot and buried alive."


That sounds to me like an important telltale sign of what the writers are leaving out of their story.

War, I'm sure everybody will agree, often results in lots of bodies lying around. Some of them killed by all sorts of bullet impacts, others dismembered by grenades etc. As the front line moves away, for shorter or longer periods, those bodies become a burden to the army that occupies the terrain and naturally seeks to bury them away.

Sometimes you manage to send the bodies home or to have individual burials, perhaps even with military or religious honors (if you can, and mainly if you're burying your own people) and sometimes, for many possible reasons, you cannot indulge in such luxuries and simply get all the bodies together and proceed to have a communal burial, making them vanish into the ground. It's not far-fetched to imagine that village cemeteries or their vicinities are choice places for such mass burials. In fact, it's mass murders that tend to be performed in secluded or isolated places, and not mass burials that may well have taken place in the vicinity of village cemeteries.

When you later excavate such a place, what you get is simply a hole in the ground with lots of bones in it, many of them showing signs of bullets, but by no means the classic signs of mass executions such as the bullet hole in the back of the head.

This happened over and over again when the industrious folks trying to impute terrible mass executions to Saddam Hussein, kept excavating and announcing new "mass murder" sites, only to see their claims refuted by the obvious fact that they kept discovering mass burial places from the Iran - Iraq War.

That's probably why the photos are circulated in an underhanded way, but don't make the book: the bullets may well have been there, but without the signs of mass execution.

Anyone who doesn't understand the subtleties of mass executions as opposed to wartime common burials has only to compare such places as Katyn with the sites discovered along the old front lines of the Iran / Iraq War.

Not that I doubt that occasional massacres must have been indulged in by both sides, but this doesn't look like it.
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Postby Vlad » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:46 am

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This photo shows a woman and (probably) a boy hugging each other. It's unmistakably a woman's pelvis. These are not the remains of soldiers.
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Postby ASMarques » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:14 pm

Vlad wrote:This photo shows a woman and (probably) a boy hugging each other. It's unmistakably a woman's pelvis. These are not the remains of soldiers.


Yes, that's true. The pose looks somewhat contrived -- note how the child's arm crumbled away but the mother's is supposed to have been kept in place during the excavation (?). The comparative sizes of the remains, however, do point out to a child's skeleton.

Of course, wars kill children as well as adults, but I agree these could be the remains of a murder site. If so, precise figures and forensic data, instead of silly disconnected propaganda and photos of bullets, would have been very useful.

So what are they waiting for to release them? Why didn't they publish any forensic information on the apparently important "mother and son" bones, or even the sidelined photo?

For instance: precisely how many bodies and how many children among them, as well as details on the causes of death (how many forensic reports on bones with bullet holes in them, how many apparently dismembered or incomplete bodies etc.).

Without that sort of information, we get nowhere. Very often what is not being told is as important as what is being suggested in underhanded imprecise ways.
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Postby MrNobody » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:00 pm

ASMarques wrote:It's not far-fetched to imagine that village cemeteries or their vicinities are choice places for such mass burials. In fact, it's mass murders that tend to be performed in secluded or isolated places, and not mass burials that may well have taken place in the vicinity of village cemeteries.


The simple reason why you'll find mass graves of legitimate war casualties in or near Villages & their Cemeteries, particularly in Russia lies in the fact that villages or hamlets no matter how small are part of the road network or communication line, every village has a road leading to the next etc & the road network is critical for logistic reasons.

During the Autumn, Winter & early Spring months of the Russian Campaign these villages & Hamlets became critical points of control for both sides & could often change hands 3 or 4 times a day because of the extreme weather conditions.

Erhard Raus writes that during the first weeks of Winter 800 Frost Bite casualties were reporting to the First Aid Clearing Stations & Field Hospitals every day, once they'd manage to take a few Villages these figures dropped to just 3 or 4 per day.

As for Cemeteries bare in mind that even in small villages that have been inhabited for hundreds of years grave plots can become unintentionally lost particularly if there are no longer any family to maintain the graves, individual headstones may become dislodged or lost & the graves become overgrown with weeds, I suspect this is the more likely reason for the plots next to the Cemetery as shown in the above photos.

Go ask any Archeologist poking around in the UK looking for Early Christian Burials, first place they look are in small villages, what they usually find are Previously unknown graves dating all the way back to the Bronze Age!
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Postby MrNobody » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:08 pm

ASMarques wrote:
Vlad wrote:This photo shows a woman and (probably) a boy hugging each other. It's unmistakably a woman's pelvis. These are not the remains of soldiers.


Yes, that's true. The pose looks somewhat contrived -- note how the child's arm crumbled away but the mother's is supposed to have been kept in place during the excavation (?). The comparative sizes of the remains, however, do point out to a child's skeleton.



The Child bones because of growth will be softer, Soil Acidity & Alkalinity will also have an affect on the condition of skeletal remains.

I've yet to see any proof that this "mother & child" died during WW2.

Russia has a rich History, including that of Plagues, Famine & Warfare.

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Postby Friedrich Paul Berg » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:40 pm

I suspect, just as some of the posters above suggest, that the skeletons predate WW2. If the remains were only about sixty years old, there would still be some remains of clothing or other personal articles to help determine what happened.

The Desbois book tells us, page 177: "After three weeks, all the graves had been opened. It was impossible to carry out a typical scientific study because we had to respect Jewish law and not move any of the bones. We could therefore only observe what appeared on the surface..."

And then, on page 178 we have: "Once the archaeological study was finished, we had to cover these graves with a particular kind of tar used for airport runways so that the dead would not be disturbed in their rest by people looking for dental gold."

Did Desbois find and photograph any dental gold in the corpses? That would at least allow one to suspect the corpses had been put there in the last century. We may never know because it is all hidden from serious forensic examination. What would have been needed would have been some professional forensic people and not just well-funded crackpots like Desbois.

Since when are medical examiners denied the legal right to perform autopsies or do forensic examinations on Jewish corpses if murder is suspected? Is this a new law, from the Jews, that the world must comply with? My guess is that the Jews at USHMM know there are some super serious flaws in Desbois' story about Busk and that is why the three Busk photos from above do not appear in the Desbois book which they supported. No doubt, there were many other photos available to them for review as well.

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Postby ASMarques » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:15 pm

Friedrich Paul Berg wrote:I suspect, just as some of the posters above suggest, that the skeletons predate WW2. If the remains were only about sixty years old, there would still be some remains of clothing or other personal articles to help determine what happened.


Very good point. Even if people are made to undress previously to being murdered, they'll still have datable items with them, such as rings, religious medals, ear rings, that sort of thing.
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