New challenge & reward offered by the NAFH

[offlineGreg Gerdes]

Earn a $5,000.00 donation in your name to a non-profit organization of your choice.

The note: To avoid creating complication and confusion about The National Association of Forensic Historians $100,000.00 - The Final Solution Forensic Challenge - reward offer, the following challenge will not appear on the NAFH’s website. (For the time being anyway.) However, if you have any doubt that the following is an officially sanctioned NAFH challenge; contact the NAFH’s president - Greg Gerdes - for official confirmation / documentation. (Contact information can be found on the bottom of the NAFH’s website – http://www.nafcash.com/ )

The background: The following quote is taken directly from – A YEAR IN TREBLINKA – authored by the alleged “most authoritative eyewitness” of the alleged Treblinka holocaust – Yankel Wiernik. (Wiernik’s liewitness “account” is the foundation for most of what is now considered the “official” history of the alleged German WW II camp / “pure extermination center” – Treblinka II.)

The quote: “One of the Germans… would frequently snatch a child from the woman's arms and… tear the child in half… Such incidents were by no means isolated… occurred all the time.”

The challenge: Provide the name, with proof, of one child who was torn in half by a German, with his bare hands, at Treblinka. (Or, alternatively, the name of one jew, with proof, who died in a homicidal gas chamber.)

The reward: $5,000.00 – will be donated, in your name, by The National Association of Forensic Historians, to the non-profit organization of your choice.

[offlineGreg Gerdes]

The "proof" that the Germans killed jews in homicidal gas chambers at Treblinka is no more credible than the "proof" that children were tore in half by the Germans with their bare hands.

[offlinePepper]

I wonder if the Harvard Crimson would accept this as an add?

If they didn't, they would be denying all the groups and clubs on campus an easy 5 grand, wouldn't they?

After all, just how hard could it be to provide the name of just one jew?

And what about HARVARD UNDERGRADUATES FOR HISTORICAL HONESTY?

Wouldn't they just love the opportunity to pick up some easy money and shove this down nafcash's' throat?

It would make for a good warm up for their winning The Final Solution Forensic Challenge, wouldn't it?

[offlinePepper]

Has mulhankamp accepted this challenge yet?

What's wrong robert, is just one name too hard for you?

[offlineGreg Gerdes]

Houston, we have a bite.

On October 14, 2009, on the RODOH forum, Roberto Muehlenkamp responded to the aforementioned NAFH challenge to:

Provide the name, with proof, of one child who was torn in half by a German, with his bare hands, at Treblinka. (Or, alternatively, the name of one jew, with proof, who died in a homicidal gas chamber.)

He responded to the following specific question:

Q - Can Roberto provide the name of one person who was gassed at Treblinka?

With the following answer:

Roberto Muehlenkamp:

“More than one, actually. The children of Oscar Strawczynski, for instance. [That would be Guta and Abus Strawczynski] Proof consists of Oscar Strawczynski's memoirs of Treblinka, written while he was in hiding without contact to other Treblinka survivors, and including his description of how upon arrival his children were separated from him and taken inside the camp never to be seen again. He later learned what happened to those who were taken inside the camp, which is also what is described by dozens of eyewitnesses independently of Strawczynski. Strawczynski's presence in Treblinka is confirmed by other eyewitnesses, and Strawczynski testified in court in West Germany about Treblinka and was considered a reliable witness. So his memoirs are proof enough by any reasonable standards that his children were gassed at Treblinka.”

The key points that have to be clarified here are:

“So his [Oscar Strawczynski's] memoirs are proof enough by any reasonable standards”

And:

“that his children [Guta and Abus Strawczynski] were gassed at Treblinka.”

So we have been provided with a name by Roberto Muehlenkamp (two actually - Guta and Abus Strawczynski), with “proof” (Oscar Strawczynski's memoirs of Treblinka.)

And said alleged proof is claimed by Roberto Muehlenkamp, to be “proof enough by any reasonable standards that his children were gassed at Treblinka.”

Now, before we can move on, we have to clarify something very important here.

The NAFH asked specifically for “…Or, alternatively, the name of one jew, with proof, who died in a homicidal gas chamber [at Treblinka].”

And Roberto Muehlenkamp responded to the question:

“Can Roberto provide the name of one person who was gassed at Treblinka?”

With:

“his memoirs are proof enough by any reasonable standards that his children were gassed at Treblinka.”

So again, before we can move on, we have to make sure that Roberto Muehlenkamp is accepting the NAFH’s challenge, or if he was just responding to a related question.

So we have to clarify the gassed / killed part of all this. Therefore Roberto has to specifically address the:

“who died in a homicidal gas chamber”

Part of the NAFH’s challenge.

So we have to make sure that Roberto Muehlenkamp is in agreement with the actual wording of the challenge. (We already know that Guta and Abus Strawczynski were jews, so that issue is resolved.)

Roberto Muehlenkamp, are you in total agreement with the following question / answer?

Q - Can Roberto Muehlenkamp provide the name of one jew, with proof, who:

died in a homicidal gas chamber,

at Treblinka?

Roberto Muehlenkamp:

“More than one, actually. The children of Oscar Strawczynski, for instance. [That would be Guta and Abus Strawczynski] Proof consists of Oscar Strawczynski's memoirs of Treblinka, written while he was in hiding without contact to other Treblinka survivors, and including his description of how upon arrival his children were separated from him and taken inside the camp never to be seen again. He later learned what happened to those who were taken inside the camp, which is also what is described by dozens of eyewitnesses independently of Strawczynski. Strawczynski's presence in Treblinka is confirmed by other eyewitnesses, and Strawczynski testified in court in West Germany about Treblinka and was considered a reliable witness. So his memoirs are proof enough by any reasonable standards that his children [Guta and Abus]

died in a homicidal gas chamber,

at Treblinka.

Now, if Roberto doesn’t get cold feet and chicken out, or cravenly try to shift the goal posts, yet again, we can move on to the next phase of determining if Roberto Muehlenkamp will be the recipient of The National Association of Forensic Historians aforementioned $5,000.00 reward offer.

Again Roberto, are you willing to move ahead with this process on the following:

Q - Can Roberto Muehlenkamp provide the name of one jew, with proof, who

died in a homicidal gas chamber,

at Treblinka?

Roberto Muehlenkamp:

“More than one, actually. The children of Oscar Strawczynski, for instance. [That would be Guta and Abus Strawczynski] Proof consists of Oscar Strawczynski's memoirs of Treblinka, written while he was in hiding without contact to other Treblinka survivors, and including his description of how upon arrival his children were separated from him and taken inside the camp never to be seen again. He later learned what happened to those who were taken inside the camp, which is also what is described by dozens of eyewitnesses independently of Strawczynski. Strawczynski's presence in Treblinka is confirmed by other eyewitnesses, and Strawczynski testified in court in West Germany about Treblinka and was considered a reliable witness. So his memoirs are proof enough by any reasonable standards that his children [Guta and Abus]

died in a homicidal gas chamber,

at Treblinka.

Yes or No?

Will Roberto give a simple yes, nothing more and nothing less? Or is he going to try and cravenly weasel his way out of this challenge like he’s trying to do with The Final Solution Forensic Challenge that he accepted over 15 months ago?

Is Roberto going to be a man for once in his life, or is he going to “show the world,” for the umpteenth time, what an utter coward he is?

Yes or No Roberto?

You can email me or make a public statement on rodoh.

Yes or No.

What’s it going to be coward?

[offlineGreg Gerdes]

Still not a word from Muehlenkamp.

No email, no public statement.

Looks like he tucked tail and ran away from me.

Again.

What a coward.

[offlineWahrheit]

Still not a word from Muehlenkamp.

No email, no public statement.

Looks like he tucked tail and ran away from me.

Again.

What a coward.

Mr. Gerdes and 'Pepper', have you seen the Moderator's statement to DrewJ in the "Believer tactics" thread? Here it is, in case you have not:

We don't care what another site does in it's threads, here we have guidelines (which you agreed to when registering) to prevent confusing clutter. You can respond to anyone you like here as long as you keep those threads focused on one specific element of the holocaust story at a time. Don't be so difficult, this is the best 'holocaust' debunking forum in the world, where fair debate is permitted and distractions from the subject are not acceptable; nor is name calling & dodging; both sides get their chance to advance their views. This other site is a veritable garbage heap of the worst tendencies from those who want to shout down anyone who dares challenge the absurd holocaust 'facts'. They love it when guys like you clutter various threads, the readers become confused and Revisionist points are obscured. You are doing the Thought Police a favor.

(my emphasis)

As a reader of this forum, can you two also follow the simple points laid out by the Moderator? In short, we don't care about your personal grievances with Roberto Muehlenkamp, and especially not to the extent that it is necessary to clog up this forum for weeks on end.

[offlineGreg Gerdes]

The following is an updated version of the latest NAFH challenge, with a short quiz used as its introduction.

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The following quiz is presented to you by - The National Association of Forensic Historians

Test your holohoax knowledge


1) The jews themselves have been forced to admit that the death toll figure for Auschwitz that was “judicially proven” at the Nuremberg show trial has been revised downward by at least?

A – 3 million, B – 2 million, C – 1 million, D – 1 thousand


2) It was “judicially proven” at the Nuremberg show trial that the Germans killed “no less” than 1.5 million people at Majdanek, the vast majority allegedly jews - mostly in gas chambers. What percent of this fraudulently “proven” holocaust within the holocaust have the jews themselves been forced to admit didn’t happen?

A – 95%, B – 75%, C – 50%, D – 25%


3) The official holocaust story alleges that there are a combined 2.1 million jews buried at Babi Yar, Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II. How many graves have the jews been able to locate at these 5 small, precisely known crime scenes - combined, in which they have been able to prove contain the remains of at least 1 / 100,000 of the alleged mass murder?

A – 0, B – 25, C – 50, D – 100


4) Of the myriad corpses autopsied by the allies in their extensive attempt to document alleged German war crimes; how many corpses were found in all of the German camps - combined, in which poison gas was determined to have been the cause of death?

A – 0, B – 10,000, C – 100,000, D – 1,000,000


5) Of the millions alleged to have been murdered in homicidal gas chambers during the latest alleged jewish holocaust; the names of how many jews - with proof, who were actually killed in a homicidal gas chamber, have the jews been able to document?

A – 0, B – 60,000, C – 600,000, D – 6,000,000


If your answer to all 5 questions was - A - congratulations! You know more truth about the holohoax than virtually every junior / senior high school and college teacher in the U.S. and Canada, including PHD professors at major universities who “specialize” in this subject.

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Earn a $5,000.00 donation in your name to a non-profit organization of your choice.

The note: To avoid creating complication and confusion with - The National Association of Forensic Historians $100,000.00 - The Final Solution Forensic Challenge - reward offer, the following challenge will not appear on the NAFH’s website. (For the time being anyway.) However, if you have any doubt that the following is an officially sanctioned NAFH challenge; contact the NAFH’s president - Greg Gerdes - for official confirmation / documentation. (Contact information can be found on the bottom of the NAFH’s website - http://www.nafcash.com/ )

The background: According to the orthodox version of the holocaust, 2.1 million jews were murdered at Babi Yar, Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II - combined. (That’s approximately the population of Alaska, Montana and Wyoming - combined.) However, 65 years after the alleged event, it has yet to be proven that so much as one single jew died in a homicidal gas chamber and not one grave that contains so much as 1 / 100,000 of the alleged mass murder has ever been located / proven to exist at any of these 5 alleged crime scenes.

The challenge: Provide the name of just one jew, with proof, who died in a homicidal gas chamber OR locate / prove the existence of just one grave that contains just 1 / 100,000 of the alleged 2.1 million murder victims.

The clarification: 100 pounds of cremated bone fragments and teeth - combined, will be considered equal to the 21 dead jews that has to be physically quantified - i.e. - excavated, weighed and unimpeachably documented. This reward offer will be executed in the same manner as the NAFH’s - The Final Solution Forensic Challenge.

The reward: $5,000.00 – will be donated, in your name, by - The National Association of Forensic Historians, to the non-profit organization of your choice. (Please see the NAFH’s website for more information - http://www.nafcash.com/ )

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BTW, I still haven't heard a word from the coward.

[offlineGreg Gerdes]

The latest challenge is now up, with some significant changes, on the NAFH's website:

http://www.nafcash.com/


It supersedes all the above.

[offlineDrew J]

THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE TM

Also includes the alleged Sobibor holocaust.

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The following information will further illustrate just how incredibly easy laying claim to THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE TM should be - IF the official version of the alleged “pure extermination centers” is true and the spurious claims that they’ve been scientifically proven via archeological investigations are not fraudulent:

(Reuters - 11/23/01) - Warsaw - Polish archaeologists excavating the Nazi death camp in Sobibor said they have found mass graves at the site. (According to official Polish accounts, 250,000 people were killed in Sobibor.) “We uncovered seven mass graves with an average depth of five meters. In them there were charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay.” Archaeologist Andrzej Kola was quoted by the Polish PAP news agency telling a news conference. He said the largest grave measured 70 x 25 meters, the others 20 x 25 meters. Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, a former Polish foreign minister said - “It’s vital to gather evidence to refute the claim of those seeking to deny the Holocaust. The work will continue, we have to confirm scientifically that this camp existed.”

So the alleged “huge mass graves” of Sobibor have been intact there for the last 65 years? Filled with “charred human remains?” Say what? What happened to “utterly eradicated?” What happened to “totally obliterated?” Do you see the conundrum that the jews and their minions have lied themselves into? For years the official versions of the alleged Treblinka and Sobibor holocausts were virtually identical, then suddenly, the masters of the big-lie technique claim that the fraudulent Sobibor fable has been forensically proven, yet with the same breath they claim that not an iota of tangible physical evidence can be located at Treblinka. These contradictory claims can’t both be true. (But they can both be false!) This is pure ORWELLIAN doublethinking. (The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously and accepting both of them.) And if they have to “confirm scientifically that this camp existed,” then what are they waiting for? It’s been years since Kola’s hoax and they still haven’t “scientifically confirmed” the existence of so much as one single grave or so much as one tenth of one percent (1,000 pounds of cremated bone fragments or 8,000 teeth) of this fraud.

The truth is there were no “huge mass graves” found. There were no “excavations.” There were no “remains in a state of decay” discovered. There were no “charred human remains” uncovered. In fact, there is NO EVIDENCE that Kola ever stepped foot in Sobibor. The spurious claim that he discovered “huge mass graves” is just another big-lie in this fraudulent cognitive illusion. To date, not one grave, not one body, not one pound of bone fragments, not one single tooth has been located / proven to exist at Sobibor. Not one of the alleged claims made by Kola has been “confirmed scientifically.” Kola’s alleged investigation is as fraudulently deluding as Shermer’s.

NOTE: Shermer and Kola’s outrageous big-lies are only part Sobibor’s fraudulent cognitive illusion. The monument, a.k.a. – the “ASH MOUNTAIN,” is allegedly comprised of untold tons of human remains that were “secretly” gathered up and thus memorialized. So for the purpose of THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE TM, it too is considered an alleged “huge mass grave.”

And finally, lest you think there must be some truth to “The Final Solution” hoax

(That’s the psychology of the big-lie technique at work)



The National Association of Forensic Historians TM presents the following reward offer



Earn a $5,000.00 donation in your name to a non-profit organization of your choice.



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BACKGROUND: According to the orthodox version of the holocaust, 2.1 million jews were allegedly murdered at BABI YAR, BELZEC, CHELMNO, Sobibor and Treblinka II - combined (that’s approximately the population of Alaska, Montana and Wyoming - combined); mostly in diesel exhaust gas chambers. However, it has yet to be proven that so much as one single jew died in a diesel gas chamber and not one grave that contains so much as 1 / 100,000 of the alleged mass murder has ever been located / proven to exist at any of these 5 small, alleged crime scenes whose locations have been precisely known since day one.



CHALLENGE: Provide the name of just one jew, with proof, who died in a diesel gas chamber OR locate / prove the existence of just one grave that contains just 1 / 100,000 of the phantom 2.1 million alleged murder victims.



CLARIFICATION: Because bodies in a state of saponification (“wax-fat transformation”) are claimed to exist in so many of the graves alleged to have been located by the fraudulent “archeologist” Andrzej Kola (and others), a potential applicant must prove that his chosen grave located at his chosen crime scene contains at least 21 bodies in a state of saponification. This reward offer will be executed in the same manner as - THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE TM. (Note: A person may attempt to become an applicant for both of the NAFH’s rewards via the same grave.)

REWARD: $5,000.00 – will be donated, in your name, by - The National Association of Forensic Historians TM to the non-profit organization of your choice.

So in other words, Muehlenkamp can shut up because Sobibor is in there along with Belzec and Chlemno.

[offlineGreg Gerdes]

FYI – In the never ending attempt to simplify and clarify things, there has been a few more changes to the NAFH’s - The Final Solution Forensic Challenge. The most important one being; all associates contracts have been allowed to expire and I am now personally guaranteeing payment of the new TEN thousand dollar reward amount. (Basically, the NAFH is no longer set up as a trust.)

And if anyone would like to challenge my ability to pay said promised amount, they can bet me, dollar for dollar, that I don’t have $10,000.00, in just one of my checking accounts, on this day of Dec., 9, 2009. If you would like to bet me that I don’t, contact information can be found at the bottom of the nafcash.com website.

There is still a reward offer for providing the name of just one jew - with proof, who died in a diesel exhaust gas chamber, but at Sobibor or Treblinka only. However, the reward for doing so has been upped to $10,000.00 as well.

As for our old friend Muehlenkamp (ONLY), he can still use either Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor or Treblinka in his attempt at becoming an eligible claimant to The Final Solution Forensic Challenge that he is so cravenly running away form. (Including the name of just one jew..)

As a reminder, he must locate / prove the existence of just one grave that contains just ONE percent of the alleged mass murder. And, he can choose Skeptic OR Archaeology magazines for his submittal for publication of his proof. The amount of human remains that he will need to prove currently exists in his chosen grave at his chosen camp is expressly quantified as follows:

Belzec: 24,000 pounds of cremated bone fragments or 190,000 teeth.

Chelmno: 13,000 pounds of cremated bone fragments or 100,000 teeth.

Sobibor: 10,000 pounds of cremated bone fragments or 80,000 teeth.

Treblinka: 35,000 pounds of cremated bone fragments or 270,000 teeth.


As usual, any further requests he has for changes will have to be politely asked for by Muehlenkamp itself on the HC blog with the following headline:

Dear NAFH / Mr. Gerdes, would you please make The Final Solution Forensic Challenge easier for me by…


BTW, here is the relevant new wording on the most significant change:

NOTE: …And finally, lest locating just one grave that contains just 1/10 of 1% of the alleged mass murder proves too difficult for you, The Final Solution Forensic Challenge TM can also be laid claim to in the following manner: Provide the name of just one jew - with proof, who died in a diesel exhaust gas chamber at Sobibor or Treblinka.


Now let’s sit back and watch the freak squirm.

[offlineGreg Gerdes]

Drew:

"So in other words, Muehlenkamp can shut up because Sobibor is in there along with Belzec and Chlemno."


Yes Drew, he can put up or shut up.

But what do you think he will really do?

He wont do either, because he's a coward and a fraud. He will continue to look for any and every excuse to continue running away from the challenge that he accepted. But it will be fun to see the freak try to squirm his way out of the challenge.

What do you think his first excuse is going to be?

[offlineCarto's Cutlass Supreme]

Hi Greg,

That's great that you're offering this reward, but you're not allowed to call Muhlenkamp, or anyone else, names here, like "freak" etc., as I've seen a moderator remind you in the past.

Gerdes wrote:

But it will be fun to see the freak try to squirm his way out of the challenge.

[offlineLamprecht]

How is it possible to prove that a child was torn in half?

[offlineDrew J]

You 'prove' it by citing someone's memoirs. Memoirs of someone who allegedly has no reason to lie and wants to report something that really happened so that humanity can correct the mistake and learn from it and allow it to happen...NEVER AGAIN. Incase no one noticed, this seems to be Roberto's latest answer to Greg Gerdes' challenge of providing 'just one name' of a person who died in a gas chamber.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... .html#more
Citing another memoir from an eyewitness who allegedly saw a bunch of people who went into a large room, screamed (because of gas) and never came out again. It seems like for every 'genuine' memoir we have on record that Muehlenkamp would throw his support behind, we can always dig up another false or exaggerated memoir. The latest from Eric Hunt is just one example out of many. The fact that many have lied already and been exposed, and are probably doing a religious duty by lying to circumvent Gentiles (Kol Nidre), justifies agnosticism about these so called eyewitness memoirs. If you doubt this look at what he says about me in another blog entry.

Yawn. As if any HC blogger had ever written anything suggesting that he accepted the overblown Soviet estimate of the Majdanek death toll. Drew J is setting up a straw-man so obvious that one can only fell sorry for his stupidity.

And what follows is no better: after some brainless bitching about another of Sergey’s articles (also written by "Muehlenkamp", of course), he goes into a rabid tirade against all those "liars" and tops it off with a lengthy quote about his favorite guru Joseph G. Burg's testimony at the Zündel trial – because, you see, all eyewitnesses to mass killing in Nazi extermination camps are inveterate liars but a "Revisionist" fanatic's gibberish is the gospel truth, in the cloud-cuckoo-land of other "Revisionist" fanatics.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... -with.html

Guess Roberto just can't let it go. Burg had no reason to lie except that muehlenkamp says so. Well maybe that's not fair. Perhaps we know Burg is a liar because other memoirs contradict his. Fine but mere contrarian views aren't enough. There needs to be evidence behind them. Unfortunately, it is lacking. Especially about the gas chambers in Auschwitz, which Leuchter showed problems with, was then countered, but then which Rudolf refuted and basically enabled Leuchter to update and correct his previous work. If Muehlenkamp and co. really cared about genuine holocaust victims, they would do their best to expose these phony memoirs like Eric Hunt is doing. Hunt himself said he is in contact with Jews who are upset that these other Jewish liars are going to be exposed and make more people doubt the holocaust. Now I say that when millions die all over Europe by murder or starving, and are taken into camps and lose their families to bullets or disease, that's a holocaust. You don't need gas chambers or six million dead for a holocaust. I have given links before to a Zundel video where he didn't deny a holocaust happened in world war two. He said it was a holocaust for all of Europe, not just Jews. But because he doesn't favour Jews, he gets into trouble. Roberto still can't deal with the fact that Berg talked to Ilya Ehrenburg the six million dollar man himself and revealed under oath in a Canadian court that Ilya himself confessed to Burg that he didn't see proof of Auschwitz gas chambers and therefore by implication, no six million number. Roberto not only recycles his bottles, but also his repeatidly refuted argument about Burg. Roberto continues on me,

This particular fanatic's blockheaded belief system (or his utter lack of honesty) shows most prominently as Drew J proclaims that "archaeologists" went to Treblinka and found "no evidence of soil or ground disturbance". We know what "archaeologists" he is talking about: a "Revisionist" wacko by the name of Richard Krege, who never published a report about his alleged world-moving finds because – as suggested by the analysis of his scans by GPR expert Lawrence B. Conyers and others – he must have realized that he had come upon the very soil disturbances compatible with mass graves that he had hoped not to find. And what's especially funny is that Drew J supports his claim with a link to the laughably hysterical website of his fellow cretin Greg Gerdes' fraudulent "association", from where references to Mr. Krege’s "archaeological" exploits have interestingly been removed …

Too bad he isn't as thorough as he makes himself out to be or he would realize that me and many others began to remain skeptical of where that bloody scan came from in the first place and if it really came from Krege or not. So he is making a straw man against me when he says I believe that scan came from Krege. We have no idea if it did or not anymore. Many on this board are agnostics over it. Therefore, we couldn't possibly be suffering from the cognitive dissonance Roberto accuses us of in the following way: "the scan shows soil disturbance but there still was no holocaust."
Even if it did show soil disturbance, how does that prove pounds upon pounds of ashes? How many square feet or meters does that scan in question cover anyway? Too many unanswered questions about that scan and its origins has resulted in me and many others adopting agnosticism about it, not blind adherence as Roberto portrays it to be.