Did the conduct of Jewish generate anti-semitism before WW2

Read and post various viewpoints or search our large archives.
Forum rules
Be sure to read Rules/guidelines before you post!

Did the conduct of Jewish generate anti-semitism before WW2

Postby JustTheTruth » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:56 am

It has always puzzled me why anti-semitism was able to spread so quickly in europe before and during the Second World War.

I think I may have found some answers in the Shoah interviews by Claude Lanzmann.

On disc two, Lanzmann is interviewing locals from the village of Chelmo who describe life when Jewish people lived in the town. They were clearly not well liked as they "controlled the capital" of the town, and apparently had the Poles working in their service.

"The Poles had to serve them and work"

So whilst the Polish women had to work to survive, the Jewesses did not work at all and "only thought of their beauty and clothes"; in the process attracting the local Polish men and obviously infuriating the local women. The Jews apparently owned all the best houses facing the streets, decorating them with Jewish symbols that still were visible in the video. Meanwhile whilst the Poles lived behind them with the privys.

According to the locals, "All Poland was in Jew's hands." They owned the industries along with the Germans, were dishonest people because they "imposed their prices" (ie ripped people off with high prices during extreme poverty) and were generally unfriendly to the locals.

Rather than attempting to assimilate in any way with their hosts, the Jews dressed and groomed themselves according to their customs and were in the eyes of the locals, ugly to look at with long beards and strange hair. They constructed a huge Synagog in the middle of town which is still visible in the video, and considering the state of the town when the movie was filmed, it was a rather lavish, imposing and ostentatious display of wealth: especially considering the extreme poverty in Poland pre WW2.

Not surprisingly, several of those interviewed indicated that they were happy that the Jews had left and not returned.

After watching this, I can't help but think that Theodor Herzl (the founder of the Zionist movement) was correct in his assertion that anti-Semitism could not be defeated or cured - as the Jews were their own worst enemy when it came to public relations with their hosts.

Herzl writes "The Jewish question persists wherever Jews live in appreciable numbers. Wherever it does not exist, it is brought in together with Jewish immigrants. We are naturally drawn into those places where we are not persecuted, and our appearance there gives rise to persecution. This is the case, and will inevitably be so, everywhere, even in highly civilised countries—see, for instance, France—so long as the Jewish question is not solved on the political level. The unfortunate Jews are now carrying the seeds of anti-Semitism into England; they have already introduced it into America."

If one considers the experience of the inhabitants of Chelmo once the Jews "settled" there anything to go by, Herzl's views make absolute sense. If the Jew's themselves are carrying the seeds of anti-semitism according to Herzl , presumably by their conduct, can it reasonably be concluded that they themselves are responsible?

Surely it is reasonable to argue that if the Jew's, by their own admission, willingly and deliberately engage in a course of conduct that they are acutely aware has resulted in repeated persecutions to those engaging in said conduct; they are, by doing so, instigating and provoking a an anticipated result and as such are directly responsible for any consequences thereof.

This of course might explain why they are so heavily into promoting the concept of "tolerance" and "understanding" as an integral part of the Holocaust as that conveniently excuses them of responsibility for their own contributions. According to their logic, they should be freely allowed to enter any country and exploit it's people and resources for profit with the intention of NEVER assimilating with the locals and only helping other Jews, without any recourse whatsoever.

Sounds like a very one-sided deal to me..

As a side issue, it is fascinating to see the founder of Zionism suggesting that there needs to be a solution to the "Jewish question" well before the war.
offline

JustTheTruth
Member
 
Posts: 27
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:53 pm

Re: Did the conduct of Jewish generate anti-semitism before WW2

Postby HelenChicago » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:43 pm

Excellent post. Of course suggesting that "they bring it upon themselves," even in part, is entirely taboo. Prof. Kevin MacDonald has hypothesized that this Jewish group behavior, observed repeatedly in so many places and times, is a genetic/evolutionary adaptation that ensures their solidarity. Makes perfect sense, but mustn't be discussed in polite society. Ironically, the only persons at liberty even to mention such things are the Jews! They can be strikingly honest about themselves.

Herzl states that this behavior, and the host population's predictable reaction, are "inevitable, everywhere, even in highly civilised countries . . . so long as the Jewish question is not solved on the political level." This is exactly what's happening now. A full-court press is underway, attempting to criminalize all discussion of such things by calling it "hate speech."
offline

HelenChicago
Member
 
Posts: 17
Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:58 am

Re: Did the conduct of Jewish generate anti-semitism before WW2

Postby JustTheTruth » Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:34 pm

Thanks for your comment.
Last edited by JustTheTruth on Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:12 am, edited 1 time in total.
offline

JustTheTruth
Member
 
Posts: 27
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:53 pm

Re: Did the conduct of Jewish generate anti-semitism before WW2

Postby Moderator3 » Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:59 pm

As stated in our guidelines*, which everyone agreed to when they registered, posts must show a direct connection to the holocaust tales.
*On topic posts only. The topic of the Forum is the subject generally referred to as 'The Holocaust'. Debating it's credibility, or lack of, is the reason that The CODOH Revisionist Forum exists. Associated subjects are bound to come up, be sure there is a tie-in, show the tie-in. Each thread represents a separate point, a post to a thread must be pertinent to that point.
offline

Moderator3
Valued contributor
 
Posts: 209
Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:01 am

Re: Did the conduct of Jewish generate anti-semitism before WW2

Postby JustTheTruth » Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:02 pm

My apologies if it appears I strayed off course with my post, that was not my intention.

It was my understanding that one of the underlying premises of the Holocaust was, supposedly, the inherent and profoundly unreasonable anti-semitism of the German and Polish peoples, that actually facilitated the "Final Solution" as proposed by the Nazis.

If , as one may hypothesize, the Jewish people were in fact predominantly the instigators of anti-semitism in these regions and Zionist did indeed play an integral role in the expulsion of Jew from Europe in order to establish the State of Israel; then surely it would question the credibility of the Holocaust as promoted?
offline

JustTheTruth
Member
 
Posts: 27
Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:53 pm


Return to 'Holocaust' Debate / Comments / News

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 1 guest