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by Ray Barren
Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:33 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Bad News...
Replies: 64
Views: 16984

Re: Bad News...

Malle + Veritas Thank you for responses and information. I thought you both were talking about witnesses who say gassings happened at camps were historians now say nothing such did. You both refer to Mauthausen witnesses as examples. Malle your link shows Raul Hilberg as saying that there was gassin...
by Ray Barren
Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:21 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Chief Rabbi of Ireland tries to get h-myth going, in 1933!
Replies: 22
Views: 6479

Re: Chief Rabbi of Ireland tries to get h-myth going, in 193

Hector wrote: The responsive German boycott of Jewish shops (in April) was to my knowledge the only measure against Jews at that stage. The National Socialists were still busy crushing the Communists. I have to agree with that point above yours Ray Barren. Ray Barren wrote: Violence was expressed b...
by Ray Barren
Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:33 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Survivor's story circa 1964
Replies: 20
Views: 6164

Re: Survivor's story circa 1964

If "Treblinka was the same way" then quote us a passage where he says that,although I don't see that it amounts to anything other than one more discrepancy in the exterminationist's tale. What makes a discrepancy here? Jews who were taken into the camp were killed besides a few hundred ke...
by Ray Barren
Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:27 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Bad News...
Replies: 64
Views: 16984

Re: Bad News...

After the war all the camps in Germany were alleged to be "Death Camps", but no reputable historian suggests that today. And there were plenty of "eye-witnesses" for those camps as well. It seems there is nothing for which one wouldn't find "eye-witnesses", be it UFOs,...
by Ray Barren
Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:21 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Chief Rabbi of Ireland tries to get h-myth going, in 1933!
Replies: 22
Views: 6479

Re: Chief Rabbi of Ireland tries to get h-myth going, in 193

Ray Barren wrote: What Holocaust scholars say no persecutions in early 1933? The letter states ‘Would to Heaven that 5000 Jews were killed in Germany in one open pogrom, for then the world might wake up!’" That implies a genocide that is so methodical, so subtle, yet so systematic, that it's h...
by Ray Barren
Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:49 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Chief Rabbi of Ireland tries to get h-myth going, in 1933!
Replies: 22
Views: 6479

Re: Chief Rabbi of Ireland tries to get h-myth going, in 193

The description at Whytes Auctions and repeated in publications since, states "This important letter provided evidence of the mass persecution of Jews as early as May 1933." Except holocaust scholars don't even say it had happened yet! What Holocaust scholars say no persecutions in early ...
by Ray Barren
Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:43 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Survivor's story circa 1964
Replies: 20
Views: 6164

Re: Survivor's story circa 1964

Schelvis' book isn't used by any historians that I know of. Yitzhak Arad in "Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka" doesn't use him. Historians use Yankel Wiernik, Samuel Wilenberg and Richard Glazar primarily and Thomas Blatt for Sobibor, among others, and they say that at the Treblinka Death Camp,...
by Ray Barren
Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:39 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Survivor's story circa 1964
Replies: 20
Views: 6164

Re: Survivor's story circa 1964

Probably his biggest lie screw-up is saying he went to Treblinka and made the selection for work, and thus wasn't killed. Treblinka didn't do that. They killed all the Jews who arrived according to the lie-story. I have never read that all Jews were killed in Treblinka but instead most were. Some s...
by Ray Barren
Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:02 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?
Replies: 31
Views: 10177

Re: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?

Reinhard: More information on the titled Einsatzgruppen reports can be found in this question-answer paper by Nick Terry. The view that all of these documents are forged is not based on common sense or facts. Look at the response to question 24, forgery allegation is absurd on its face. These docume...
by Ray Barren
Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:28 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?
Replies: 31
Views: 10177

Re: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?

If you want to take the translations literally, then the subject of the report must be as well: Document Translation - Subject: Report to the Führer about fight against gangs Report No. 51 Southern Russia, en:Ukraine, en:Bialystok Successes in fight against gangs from 1st October until 1st December...
by Ray Barren
Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:02 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?
Replies: 31
Views: 10177

Re: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?

1. What interests me here is provenance. Revisionists take one look and shout "fake", believers conversely assume it is genuine. But what evidence do we have? If a document is presented, the onus is on the party relying upon the document to show its provenance and to demonstrate that it i...
by Ray Barren
Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:01 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?
Replies: 31
Views: 10177

Re: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?

Hannover, I usually do not base many thoughts on forensic research as it is not my specialty and my knowledge of the field is limited to a few television episodes. I try not to say much about materiale I dont grasp. I dont see an important role in forensics though as I do not base my thoughts on his...
by Ray Barren
Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:51 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?
Replies: 31
Views: 10177

Re: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?

Then where are the rest of the documents? Why are there so few documents of this "secret" program if they obviously didn't care about the numbers being sent (if you believe the document in this thread). This is the problem; The minute the documents can't be produced, the claim is immediat...
by Ray Barren
Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:02 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?
Replies: 31
Views: 10177

Re: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?

The revolving door known as "document destruction" is ever present in cases like this. This document is one of a scattered few used to prove an "extermination program". Why was this document preserved if this program was "secret"? Why wouldn't it be destroyed immediate...
by Ray Barren
Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:28 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?
Replies: 31
Views: 10177

Re: Himmler Report - Gangs - 1942 - Executions?

I noticed a thread where a speech of Himmler's was in question where the term "exterminated" is under question. Perhaps this is similar? The phrase Juden exekutiert can have no other meaning than the obvious and provides even less room to wiggle than the Himmler speech (though revisionist...

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