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by friedrichjansson
Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:29 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
Replies: 25
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Re: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz

One more thing I should add: absorption through the skin kills slowly. If we are talking about times to death of only a few minutes, it can be completely ignored. If however we are following van Pelt and stretching things out to 30 minutes we should factor it in.
by friedrichjansson
Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:49 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
Replies: 25
Views: 26656

Re: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz

For absorption through the skin, I should also mention Ballantyne's article in this volume, although the conditions he worked with are considerably different from the conditions we are interested in.
by friedrichjansson
Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:44 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
Replies: 25
Views: 26656

Re: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz

You should probably take account of the fact that gaseous and liquid (i.e. re-condensed) HCN is also absorbed through the skin, as evidenced by the use of gloves by those required to handle it. Yes, this is an important factor, but it's difficult to get definite numbers. I've never seen anyone fact...
by friedrichjansson
Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:09 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
Replies: 25
Views: 26656

Re: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz

Now I want to talk about how we might get an estimate of cyanide's inhalation toxicity on theoretical grounds. The thing to read in this connection is the paper of Moore and Gates, and in particular its derivation of LC50 estimates. Germar Rudolf, in arguing against the idea that 300 ppm is rapidly ...
by friedrichjansson
Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:28 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
Replies: 25
Views: 26656

Re: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz

Animal data doesn't translate very directly to human data, but it's worth noting one thing right away. Animal studies support the idea that time to death is much greater than time to inhale a lethal dose. For example, Acute Exposure Guideline Levels for Selected Airborne Chemicals, volume 2 summariz...
by friedrichjansson
Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:46 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: van Pelt's Case for Auschwitz versus his trial report
Replies: 3
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van Pelt's Case for Auschwitz versus his trial report

A question - I don't have van Pelt's Case for Auschwitz, and really don't want to pay for it, but I do have his report for the Irving trial. Am I missing anything important? Did he offer any new arguments or change his position on anything in the book, or was it more a question of packaging things n...
by friedrichjansson
Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:23 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: wanted: testimonies on the duration of Auschwitz gassings
Replies: 32
Views: 18558

Re: wanted: testimonies on the duration of Auschwitz gassing

Some references taken from Carlo Mattogno: Janda Weiss: “Then the gas was let into the chamber. The lungs of the victims slowly burst, and after three minutes a loud clamoring could be heard. Then the chamber was opened, and those who still showed signs of life were beaten to death.” The reference i...
by friedrichjansson
Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:23 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
Replies: 25
Views: 26656

Re: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz

Now how would we calculate LC50s, short of actually exposing humans to HCN? There are two primary methods (which can of course be used in conjunction): based on studies with animals, and based on theoretical inference from experience with humans. I'll summarize the results of animal studies in this ...
by friedrichjansson
Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:30 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: HCN concentration used in and duration of US g.c. executions
Replies: 33
Views: 20457

Re: HCN concentration used in and duration of US g.c. execut

I'll take a moment to respond to a couple of Richard Green's statements about US gas chamber data. Green writes: I cannot absolutely exclude the possibility that Rudolf is being honest, but one should be suspicious of his value of 0.3 to 1% cyanide concentration in US executions. Even if he can prov...
by friedrichjansson
Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:11 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Germans didn't think much of Hydrogen Cyanide
Replies: 13
Views: 3429

Germans didn't think much of Hydrogen Cyanide

Here's an interesting passage from the book "UNITED STATES ARMY IN WORLD WAR II: The Technical Services: THE CHEMICAL WARFARE SERVICE: FROM LABORATORY TO FIELD" by Leo P. Brophy, Wyndham D. Miles and Rexmond C. Cochrane (available here ), pp. 57-58. AC is chemical weapons lingo for hydroge...
by friedrichjansson
Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:03 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
Replies: 25
Views: 26656

Re: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz

Now it's necessary to explain some terminology. The LD50 of a substance is the lethal dose for 50% of the population; that is, it is a dose sufficient to kill 50% of the people exposed to it. Obviously the number 50 can be changed to other values, so you can have an LD75 or an LD90 or an LD1. These ...
by friedrichjansson
Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:18 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
Replies: 25
Views: 26656

Re: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz

This post will be about actual data on humans under acute exposure to HCN. The data are quite sparse, so they can all be fit in a single post! Of course, I'm ignoring the data from the experience of operating execution gas chambers in the United States because there's another thread for that. One da...
by friedrichjansson
Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:06 pm
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
Replies: 25
Views: 26656

Re: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz

I understand that the toxic effect of hydrogen cyanide (HCN) arises (at least in part) from the cyanide combining with the molecule in red blood cells that draws in and releases oxygen. Would it not then be possible to do experiments on animal and human blood to see if the same effect occurred and ...
by friedrichjansson
Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:26 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
Replies: 25
Views: 26656

Re: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz

Re: the testing of Leuchter's samples and the Roth / Green position on the dilution of "surface" HCN by crushing the samples. This is so obvious, I feel slightly embarrassed to have to ask about it but because I think I may be missing something. Even if the 10 micron penetration argument ...
by friedrichjansson
Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:10 am
Forum: 'Holocaust' Debate / Controversies / Comments / News
Topic: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz
Replies: 25
Views: 26656

Re: Richard Green and the Toxicology of Auschwitz

A bit of advice to people reading this: there are a lot of things to discuss, and I'm sure I won't do an optimal job at explaining them. So if you're interested, you should really read the literature yourself. These are the important things to read: 1. this paper by Barcroft 2. the paper by McNamara...

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