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Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby Lamprecht » 2 months 4 weeks ago (Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:19 pm)

NOTE: I started this thread as a draft a few months ago but never got around to posting it. If you can locate any other photographs of alleged mass graves at Treblinka, please post them


Here is a very brief summary the official "Holocaust" narrative in regards to Treblinka II:

1. Treblinka was split into two main camps 2 km apart: Treblinka I (a labor camp) and Treblinka II (an "extermination camp" with homicidal gas chambers)

2. Treblinka II, the alleged extermination camp, began operation in July 1942

3. Between 700,000 and 900,000 people - almost exclusively Jews - were sent to Treblinka II, gassed, and buried in "huge mass graves"

4. In order to hide the evidence of the claimed mass murder, Himmler ordered the bodies to be excavated and incinerated in giant open-air pyres made of railroad tracks. (The camp did not have any crematoria) This conspiracy is known as "Sonderaktion 1005" and the open-air incinerations are argued to have begun as early as September 1942 or sometime in 1943, depending on the source.

5. After being burned, the resulting bones, charred flesh, teeth, wood ash, etc produced from the incineration of these alleged hundreds of thousands of corpses were thrown back into the same "huge mass graves"

6. The camp officially closed on October 1943

In regards to #4-5, the details can be found in Yitzhak Arad's book "BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA" chapter 23, The Erasure of the Crimes:
"The camp command was confronted with the problem of disposing of the large piles of ash and bits of bone that remained… Ultimately it was decided to dump the ash and bits of bone into the ditches that had previously held the bodies and to cover them with a thick layer of sand and dirt… [Eyewitness] Abraham Goldfarb relates: … 'we secretly placed in the walls of the graves whole skeletons and we wrote on scraps of paper what the Germans were doing at Treblinka. We put the scraps of paper into bottles, which we placed next to the skeletons. Our intention was that if one day someone looked for traces, they could indeed be found.'"


Revisionists do not accept the claim that the burnt remains of hundreds of thousands of people (millions of pounds) are actually buried at Treblinka. Instead, it is estimated that only a small minority (under 5%) of those who stepped foot in this camp were actually buried there, and they also claim that none of the deaths were a result of homicidal gas chambers.

On estimates of the number of deaths, I suggest the following thread:
Prisoners dying in transit to the AR camps (Sobibor, Belzec, Treblinka) / other deaths / expected death tolls
viewtopic.php?t=12910

Virtually none of the train records for this camp have survived, so one can only speculate about whether they would have shown hundreds of thousands of Jews entering but not leaving, or over 95% of them being transited through. There are also no documents referring to Treblinka II as any sort of extermination camp where people were murdered by the thousands in gas chambers or any other method. But there are some documents claiming that over 700,000 people were transited to Treblinka.

However, according to the official "Holocaust" story of this camp, enormous pits full of the alleged millions of pounds of burnt / unburnt human remains would still exist at the site to this day.

In the past decade, an archaeologist named "Caroline Sturdy-Colls" went to Treblinka II in an attempt to prove the existence of these alleged huge mass graves. Here are some maps from her report, claiming to show the exact location of various "Huge mass graves" at Treblinka:

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Her report can be found here (PDF): http://web.archive.org/web/201911020739 ... s12PhD.pdf

It is also discussed in the following thread:
Caroline Sturdy Colls publishes
viewtopic.php?t=7972

Her report does not contain any photographs with human remains that she unearthed from a "mass grave" at Treblinka. This is despite the fact that all mass grave excavation guidelines explicitly state that to forensically prove the existence of a mass grave, it must be excavated and photographed.
See:
Mass grave excavation guidelines / The "Mass grave excavations don't produce photographed bodies" lie
viewtopic.php?t=12889


There have been other investigations of Treblinka besides Sturdy-Colls:

1. An investigation by the Soviets in 1944

2. An investigation by the Polish State Prosecutor's Office in 1945

Much can be read about these two investigations here:
Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?
Chapter 3: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/4.html (2012 version)
PDF: https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/08-t.pdf (2020 version)

3. There are also claims of a "Treblinka Gold Rush" where Polish civilians went to the camp as grave robbers / scavengers.

4. In 1999 Richard Krege conducted a GPR survey of the camp and claimed that he found no mass graves. Since the report has not been published and was not actually a physical excavation, there is nothing else to say about it here. (You can search "Krege" for topics on this: search.php?keywords=krege)

5. Most recently, British Archaeologist William Mitchell has claimed to have found physical evidence of huge mass graves at Treblinka. See:

Another Treblinka "Archaeologist"? William Mitchell claims to have "vital evidence to prove the deniers wrong"
viewtopic.php?t=13050


According to the verdict of the Düsseldorf Jury Court at the trial of 1964-1965:
"one of the pits [at Treblinka] contained no less than approximately 80,000 corpses"
(Adalbert Rückerl, NS-Vernichtungslager im Spiegel deutscher Strafprozesse, Frankfurt 1977, pp. 204f)


Questions
1. Does the physical evidence of human remains found at Treblinka II support the claim of a mass grave with 80,000 corpses?

2. Does the physical evidence of human remains found at Treblinka II show that anywhere close to 700,000 people were killed and buried there?

3. Has one single mass grave containing the remains of just 1% of the alleged [minimum] 700,000 people ever been shown to exist? (7,000)

4. Has one single mass grave containing the remains of just 1/10th of 1% of the alleged [minimum] 700,000 people ever been shown to exist? (700)

5. Has one single mass grave containing the remains of just 1% of the alleged 80,000 claimed to exist in one single mass grave ever been shown to exist? (800)

6. Has it been shown that the total quantity of human remains found in all mass graves combined is greater than 5% [maximum estimated death rate due to transit] of the alleged [minimum] 700,000 people? (35,000)
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Re: Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby Lamprecht » 2 months 4 weeks ago (Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:21 pm)

Here were the photos that I could find that are alleged to be of human remains located at Treblinka II. If a caption was present, I will provide it. I will also provide comments. If I find any more photos, I will post them in another post. I also encourage anyone else to post any photographs of mass Treblinka mass graves they can find.


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Caption: "An open mass grave in the Treblinka death camp. A German photograph from 1943"

This photo is often shown in its shrunken down form, so that the pieces of wood at the bottom appear to be human bones. It is not obvious what those other shapes are, but there certainly is not the remains of even 5 people here.


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Caption: (Google Translated from Polish) "This is not a photo of the dead. Diggers from Wólka Okrąglik and sasiednich village poruja to share a photo with militiamen who stopped them on a hot deed. In peasant pockets, the beaths of rings and Jewish teeth. At the feet of the seated drowned skulls and tibia gassed" (original image with caption: http://archive.vn/mF59c)

It's hard to make out this low quality photo but there appears to be 20-30 skulls here. There are also a few piles of bones.


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Caption: "Former death camp at Treblinka in the summer of 1945" (larger)

A lot of shapes here are hard to make out and could be rocks or trash, but many are clearly human bones. There are not very many skulls. The amount of bones here could be enough for up to 30 people. But could every single bone be from a different person? Doubtful


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Caption: "Former death camp at Treblinka in the summer of 1945" (larger)

Two complete skulls, one seemingly broken skull. Scattered bones. This is at best 3-4 people


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Caption: "Former death camp at Treblinka in the summer of 1945" (large)

The remains of about 5-10 people maximum; only about 3-4 skulls visible


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Caption: "The remains of Treblinka in 1944"

This photo is very low quality but if you zoom in you'll see that it's just a pile of garbage. I see a hat, random clothes, twigs, sticks, cans, some baskets. There is not a single discernable human skull or bone that I can find. I included this because it's often mixed in with "Treblinka mass grave" compilation photographs.


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Caption: "Excavators digging Treblinka burial pit"

This is another image that is usually found in very low resolution / low quality. There is no evidence that it is actually at Treblinka II, and there are obviously no human remains to be seen in this photo. There does appear to be documentation showing excavators at Treblinka but, remember, Treblinka 1 was a labor camp and the excavator could have been used in the gravel pit/quarry. You can find photos of the "Treblinka gravel pit" by searching Google images.
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Re: Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby Hannover » 2 months 4 weeks ago (Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:30 pm)

Lamprecht posted this photo, here's more?

From ‘Surviving Treblinka’, by Samuel Willenberg.
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It is captioned: “crane lifting corpses destined for cremation”.

900,000 Jews are claimed to be buried there, yet desperately it's claimed dirt is now 'Jew corpses'. :lol:

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Re: Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby Lamprecht » 1 week 5 days ago (Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:09 pm)

There are some more photos claiming to be of human remains at Treblinka. Remember that 1/100th of 1% of the alleged 870,000 would be 87, and so far none of the claimed mass grave photos show a pit that undoubtedly contains the remains of just 87 people.

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Caption: "Heaps of ashes on the grounds of the Treblinka camp. Catalog No.: 11337"

Unfortunately a very low-resolution photo. What we see is a lot of soil and some small white objects which could be bone fragments and/or rocks

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Caption: "A heap of ashes in the Treblinka camp. Catalog No.: 11341"

Another very low-resolution photograph, it does certainly look like a pile of cremains. That object at the top looks like a human leg bone.

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Caption: "Human skeletal remains in the Treblinka camp. Catalog No.: 11338"

These are unmistakably human bones, and they must have been dug up because you can see the skull on one of them is filled with dirt. From the looks of it, the individual could have been shot in the head.

The next 3 are from the same source: "Treblinka - Last Traces"
http://web.archive.org/web/200503131432 ... racks.html

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Caption: "HUMAN REMNANTS AND BELONGINGS #1. The photo was taken in 1945."

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Caption: "HUMAN REMNANTS AND BELONGINGS #2. The photo was taken in 1945."

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Caption: "HUMAN REMNANTS AND BELONGINGS #3. The photo was taken in 1945."

Although these 3 photos are rather low quality, human bones can be seen in them. It does not specify exactly where the photos were taken, just saying "Treblinka" so these could be from the Treblinka 1 labor camp. Even if they are from T2, the quantity of visible remains shown is more consistent with deaths from disease in transit or occasional executions than gassings + open-air cremations of thousands per day.
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Re: Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby Hannover » 1 week 5 days ago (Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:05 pm)

These things are laughable.

We see a few bones, and I do mean a few, that are supposed to represent the alleged ca. 900,000 Jew remains at Treblinka which BTW are claimed to exist, yet obviously they do not.

We have no proof that the few bones we do see are from Treblinka, that they are from the alleged period, that they are bones of Jews, that the individuals were murdered.

And of course they never want to talk about how these people were said to have been murdered. Science absolutely demolishes the lies.

'OK Avi, toss a couple bones from the truck here, and maybe another one over there. Take a photo and add a caption that says Treblinka.
Oy! Proof of the Shoah.'


Imagine saying in a legit court of law that these are proof that 900,000 Jews were murdered at Treblinka. Raucous laughter breaks out all around. :lol:

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Re: Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby DissentingOpinions » 1 week 5 days ago (Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:57 am)

In the brief conversation I’ve had with David Cole, he stated that the reason mass remains weren’t found on site at Treblinka via digging because the NS in charge had dumped them in the bug river. While I personally don’t believe in the Reinhardt camp narrative, I can understand how death in the Russian East was possible, but not by the NS themselves. I had a good conversation with a guy on a game I play about history & he brought up how during either Stalingrad or Operation Barbarossa(Can’t remember which), the Soviets were killing Jews and Poles with bullets & tanks as they were trying to pass through the Eastern Front. Maybe the reason why we don’t have solid info on the fate of the Ostland arrivals is because they too suffered a similar fate during a planned migration? Would make sense the Soviets would coverup their own screwup & the National Socialists at the Front dumped them afterwards.

If so, it would line up with only a couple shooting at Treblinka per trainload.

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Re: Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby HMSendeavour » 1 week 5 days ago (Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:10 am)

DissentingOpinions wrote:I had a good conversation with a guy on a game I play about history & he brought up how during either Stalingrad or Operation Barbarossa(Can’t remember which), the Soviets were killing Jews and Poles with bullets & tanks as they were trying to pass through the Eastern Front.


Operation Barbarossa was the code name for the invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941, the battle of Stalingrad was its own battle apart of what would be called Operation Barbarossa.

Because of how long the Communists controlled that part of Europe it's hard to tell how many died on the Soviet side of the war because they didn't keep clean records; they certainly wouldn't take the blame for killing 10s of thousands, if not millions of their own soldiers and citizens during the 'great patriotic war'. They wouldn't admit to it today, let alone admit that they were planning to invade Europe.
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Re: Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby Hannover » 1 week 5 days ago (Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:43 am)

DissentingOpinions wrote:In the brief conversation I’ve had with David Cole, he stated that the reason mass remains weren’t found on site at Treblinka via digging because the NS in charge had dumped them in the bug river. While I personally don’t believe in the Reinhardt camp narrative, I can understand how death in the Russian East was possible, but not by the NS themselves. I had a good conversation with a guy on a game I play about history & he brought up how during either Stalingrad or Operation Barbarossa(Can’t remember which), the Soviets were killing Jews and Poles with bullets & tanks as they were trying to pass through the Eastern Front. Maybe the reason why we don’t have solid info on the fate of the Ostland arrivals is because they too suffered a similar fate during a planned migration? Would make sense the Soviets would coverup their own screwup & the National Socialists at the Front dumped them afterwards.

If so, it would line up with only a couple shooting at Treblinka per trainload.

Except the 'Bug River' excuse flies in the face of the narrative itself; i.e.:
“The mass graves were opened and the corpses were taken out, to be consumed by the flames of huge pyres (the ‘roasts’). The bones were crushed and, together with the ashes, were reburied in the same graves.”
- Israel Gutman (ed.), Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, 4 vols., Macmillan, New York 1990, vol. 4, p. 1481-87
and:
-from Yitzhak Arad’s book - BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA - (chapter 23) - The Erasure of the Crimes:
The camp command was confronted with the problem of disposing of the large piles of ash and bits of bone that remained… Ultimately it was decided to dump the ash and bits of bone into the ditches that had previously held the bodies and to cover them with a thick layer of sand and dirt…
[Eyewitness] Abraham Goldfarb relates: ’we secretly placed in the walls of the graves whole skeletons and we wrote on scraps of paper what the Germans were doing at Treblinka. We put the scraps of paper into bottles, which we placed next to the skeletons. Our intention was that if one day someone looked for traces, they could indeed be found.’”
Ridiculous stories to be sure, but that is the ridiculous 'holocaust'.

And where do you get " it would line up with only a couple shootings at Treblinka per trainload."?
I have seen no proof of 'shootings per trainload'.

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(edited for typo)
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Re: Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby Lamprecht » 1 week 5 days ago (Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:45 am)

DissentingOpinions wrote:In the brief conversation I’ve had with David Cole, he stated that the reason mass remains weren’t found on site at Treblinka via digging because the NS in charge had dumped them in the bug river.

So all of the "eyewitnesses" that claimed that the massive quantities of human remains were dumped into enormous pits at these sites were lying?

Or was there not only a policy of
- digging up hundreds of thousands of rotting corpses from giant pits
- burning these corpses in giant outdoor hibachi grills made of railroad rails
- dumping the millions of pounds of burnt remains into the same pits
- covering this massive quantity of physical evidence with a layer of soil

but also:
- digging up these pits AGAIN
- transporting large containers full of human remains from TII to the bug river and back again
- somehow, absolutely nothing of the sort can be seen taking place in the various aerial photographs of the site

What a goofy cop-out:
They dumped all the millions of pounds of remains into the river so we couldn't find them even if we wanted to :roll:
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Re: Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby DissentingOpinions » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:08 pm)

And where do you get " it would line up with only a couple shootings at Treblinka per trainload."?
I have seen no proof of 'shootings per trainload'.

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(edited for typo)


Mattogno & Graf speculate in their Treblinka book that since Stroop mentioned in his report liquidations taking place at Treblinka, that perhaps a significantly smaller figure was killed(1000-2000) via bullets, likely mercy killings of a few people per trainload arrival who couldn’t survive further travel or were too sick to see an improvement through the limited medical care the camp would’ve had as a transit camp. If top level revisionists like MGK believe the Stroop Report is authentic, then I have no reason to believe otherwise. I do remember seeing Denierbud’s essay in refutation of this document back when HDV was still online, but I never got around to it. I’m not 100% what to believe regarding this, though.

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Re: Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby Lamprecht » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:25 pm)

DissentingOpinions wrote:
And where do you get " it would line up with only a couple shootings at Treblinka per trainload."?
I have seen no proof of 'shootings per trainload'.

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(edited for typo)


Mattogno & Graf speculate in their Treblinka book that since Stroop mentioned in his report liquidations taking place at Treblinka, that perhaps a significantly smaller figure was killed(1000-2000) via bullets, likely mercy killings of a few people per trainload arrival who couldn’t survive further travel or were too sick to see an improvement through the limited medical care the camp would’ve had as a transit camp. If top level revisionists like MGK believe the Stroop Report is authentic, then I have no reason to believe otherwise. I do remember seeing Denierbud’s essay in refutation of this document back when HDV was still online, but I never got around to it. I’m not 100% what to believe regarding this, though.

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In my previous post, I linked a thread on this subject:
Prisoners dying in transit to the AR camps (Sobibor, Belzec, Treblinka) / other deaths / expected death tolls
viewtopic.php?t=12910

A typhus epidemic hit the Treblinka 1 labor camp in fall 1943. Anyone that tried to escape or revolt would have naturally been shot. If there were trainloads of thousands arriving at the camp in these harsh, war-time conditions then it is certain that some people would have died on the way there. Also, you would not put terminally ill individuals on a train full of healthy people.
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Re: Photographs of mass graves from "Extermination camp" Treblinka II

Postby Hannover » 1 week 4 days ago (Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:08 pm)

DissentingOpinions wrote:
And where do you get " it would line up with only a couple shootings at Treblinka per trainload."?
I have seen no proof of 'shootings per trainload'.

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(edited for typo)


Mattogno & Graf speculate in their Treblinka book that since Stroop mentioned in his report liquidations taking place at Treblinka, that perhaps a significantly smaller figure was killed(1000-2000) via bullets, likely mercy killings of a few people per trainload arrival who couldn’t survive further travel or were too sick to see an improvement through the limited medical care the camp would’ve had as a transit camp. If top level revisionists like MGK believe the Stroop Report is authentic, then I have no reason to believe otherwise. I do remember seeing Denierbud’s essay in refutation of this document back when HDV was still online, but I never got around to it. I’m not 100% what to believe regarding this, though.

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Stroop was involved in putting down a Warsaw uprising, so how would he know about so called "liquidations" at Treblinka?
It's silly to think that he would have mentioned what is supposed to have been a top secret"extermination" program at Treblinka.
The Stroop Report is a crude forgery that is based upon an actual report. which was obviously doctored.

What proof of the claimed "1000-2000 via bullets" is there besides "speculate, "perhaps"? I suggest that there is none.
Of course it would make sense that there were deaths of normal causes at Treblinka given the numbers of people sent through it. People die all the time, everywhere that they exist, Treblinka, or any place with such volumes of traffic would be no different.

Sure, "revisionists like MGK believe the Stroop Report is authentic", because there was a Stroop Report. But as I said, it has been altered in an attempt to provide proof of the 'holocaust'.

There's plenty at this forum which debunks the altered 'Stroop Report':
search.php?keywords=stroop+report&fid%5B0%5D=2
also see:
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/t/10.html:
2. Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and the Stroop Report



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