came out on April 4th 2019 which discussed a British documentary series called Private Lives
that aired an episode on Adolf Hitler. In the documentary, according to this article, they discuss the evident lack of evidence linking Hitler to the alleged 'extermination' of the Jews:
“When it came to the extermination of Jews, Hitler was very hands off,” presenter Dr. Tracy Borman stated in the documentary, entitled “Private Lives,” which aired on Britain’s Yesterday channel. . .
. . .The Yesterday channel documentary highlighted the lack of documents linking Hitler to the decision to order the Final Solution.
“When it comes to the instigation of the Holocaust, there is no paper trail leading directly to Hitler himself,” Borman said. “Quite typically, these horrifying plans seems to have grown out of one of the Fuhrer’s private chats at the dinner table.”Robert Philpot, UK documentary claims Hitler was ‘very hands off’ in implementing Final Solution, The Times of Israel, 4 April 2019. | Archive
According to this documentary there is only one remark that links Hitler to the Holocaust:
Hitler is said to have told SS head Heinrich Himmler and Hans Lammer, Chief of the Reich Chancellery, over a dinner that he had been “extraordinarily merciful to the Jews,” but he was coming to see that “the only solution was extermination.”
A transcript of the conversation, historian Nigel Jones told the program, was “the only actual written link that we have that Hitler ordered the policy of the Holocaust.”
What a damning quote! No? The quote being referred to is from Hitler's Table Talks
, and isn't new to revisionists at all:
"Man muß radikal handeln. Wenn man einen Zahn zieht, tut man es mit einem Zug, und der Schmerz ist schnell vorbei. Die Juden müssen aus Europa heraus. Sonst gibt es keine Verständigung zwischen den Europäern." [...] "Ich für meinen Teil beschränke mich darauf, ihnen zu sagen, sie müssen weggehen. Wenn sie auf der Reise die Rippen brechen, kann ich nichts machen. Aber wenn sie sich weigern, freiwillig zu gehen, sehe ich keinen anderen Weg als die Ausrottung.English:
One must act radically. When one pulls out a tooth, one does it with a single tug, and the pain quickly goes away. The Jew must clear out of Europe. Otherwise no understanding will be possible between Europeans. It's the Jew who prevents everything. When I think about it, I realise that I'm extraordinarily humane. At the time of the rule of the Popes, the Jews were mistreated in Rome. Until 1830, eight Jews mounted on donkeys were led once a year through the streets of Rome. For my part, I restrict myself to telling them they must go away. If they break their pipes on the journey, I can't do anything about it. But if they refuse to go voluntarily, I see no other solution but extermination.Adolf Hitler, 23 January, 1942., Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944: His Private Conversations (New York: Enigma Books, 2000), Pp. 235. I found the German quotation here.
Not to sound cliché, but is this all they have? It's really quite pathetic. I don't really know how to express the magnitude of such an admission on their part. To any person who has passing knowledge of the Holocaust, Hitler and the "Nazis", every single person would be under the assumption that Hitler was the prime shaker and mover of these alleged atrocities. That it was him who was the 'architect' of the Holocaust, a title often given to Heinrich Himmler, who I'm sure most people have no clue about.
It's assumed that Hitler didn't just 'inspire' the Holocaust like historians claim these days, but that he was in the centre of it, all knowing and deeply involved. Yet this just simply cannot be proven, and these historians are forced to admit it or grasp at straws. Yet the ignorant idea that Hitler knew, and 'initiated' the Holocaust still persists. Even if you were to tell any regular layman what it is the mainstream historians actually say regarding Hitler's non-existent role in the 'Holocaust', you would no doubt be called a 'denier'! This to me is fascinating, just because of the level of deception inflicted on the minds of the general public about this event they're taught to know about, to become emotionally defensive over, yet lack any knowledge as to the details.
The quote above isn't particularly damning though. I've scoured the internet for a German source to verify the wording, to no avail. I've even checked German academic papers which quoted the wording you see here, but they still cite the English version of the Table Talks. So it appears to me that there is no original German edition, unless we somehow had Bormann's original notes for this day. But I won't hold my breath over that. The English source is all we have for this quote. Not encouraging.
It should be observed that even if we take the word 'Ausrottung'
to mean 'extermination' and not 'up-rooted' (by force) this quote still doesn't support the assertion that Hitler "ordered the policy of the Holocaust". Hitler is very clearly saying that the Jews need to be deported "they must go away" and on a "journey" no less. "Exterminating" them, if we accept this translation, is used here hypothetically to refer to an event which was not occurring, because Hitler was not talking about any current events or plans but merely what would need to be done if they didn't leave voluntarily. This is not the same as saying "we're exterminating the Jews because they won't leave voluntarily". Hitler didn't say anything like that. On this rhetorical basis alone we can dispute the interpretation given by Nigel Jones, who's clearly inept at interpreting such statements.
Even to say, as this article does that Hitler "was coming to see that “the only solution was extermination.”" is ridiculous, because it implies Hitler was discussing current events and solutions to the Jewish question at that moment, which he wasn't. Therefore this statement from the article is a blatant lie.
However the interpretation of this quote is challenged by multiple other documents already known to revisionists, and many on this forum. But for the sake of responding to the accusation regarding this document I will quote them here again.
Sometime in March 1942, Dr. Franz Schlegelberger (Reich Justice Minister) wrote a note regarding Hitler's attitude towards the Jewish problem as relayed to him by Dr. Hans Lammers (Chief of the Reich Chancellery):
Mr Reich Minister Lammers informed me that the Führer had repeatedly declared to him that he wants to hear that the Solution of the Jewish Problem has been postponed until after the war is over. That being so, the current discussions are of purely theoretical value, in Mr Reich Minister Lammers' opinion. He will moreover take pains to ensure that, whatever else happens, no fundamental decisions are taken without his knowledge in consequence of a surprise briefing by any third party.Source: German Federal Archives (BA) file R.22/52. See: Schlegelberger Note | Archive | Document fascimile:
This document was subsequently backed up by Dr. Lammers again on August 21, 1942 in a document known as the Luther memorandum, point 8 of which states (in brief):
. . .at the end of the war all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer and also the only way to master this problem, as only a global and comprehensive solution could be applied and individual measures would not help very much.
Document NG-2586-J. Read the full Luther Memorandum in: Arthur Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (Castle Hill Publishers, 2015), Pp. 269-279.
And finally, a month prior to the Luther memo on 24 July 1942, Henry Picker records Hitler as having said the same thing:
Beim Abendessen bemerkte der Chef unter anderem:
. . . Nach Beendigung des Krieges werde er [Hitler] sich rigoros auf den Standpunkt stellen, dass er Stadt für Stadt zusammenschlage, wenn nicht die Drecksjuden rauskämen und nach Madagaskar oder einem sonstigen jüdischen Nationalstaat abwanderten.English:
At dinner the boss remarked among other things:
. . . After the ending of the war, he [Hitler] would rigorously adopt the standpoint that he would demolish town after town, if the Jewish dregs did not decamp and emigrate to Madagascar or to some other national Jewish homeland.Henry Picker, Hitlers Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier (Stuttgart: Seewald Verlag, 1963), Pp. 471. Or see: Dr. Henry Picker, Hitlers Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier 1941-42 (Bonn: Athenäum-Verlag, 1951) Pp. 118. |PDF | Archive |
The Table Talks
therefore shows that Hitler is either contradicting himself, or never wanted, nor spoke of 'exterminating the Jews' in the entry of January 23 1942. In fact, the same entry shows us this itself if you read the entire thing:
A good three hundred or four hundred years will go by before the Jews set foot again in Europe. They'll return first of all as commercial travellers, then gradually they'll become emboldened to settle here—the better to exploit us. In the next stage, they become philanthropists, they endow foundations. When a Jew does that, the thing is particularly noticed—for it's known that they're dirty dogs. As a rule, it's the most rascally of them who do that sort of thing. And then you'll hear these poor Aryan boobies telling you : "You see, there are good Jews!"
Let's suppose that one day National Socialism will undergo a change, and become used by a caste of privileged persons who exploit the people and cultivate money. One must hope that in that case a new reformer will arise and clean up the stables.
Adolf Hitler, 23 January, 1942., Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944: His Private Conversations (New York: Enigma Books, 2000), Pp. 236.
Suddenly the whole quotation becomes intelligible. If the Jews were going to be exterminated, surely they wouldn't exist in Europe in the future. Unless, and it could be argued, Hitler is talking about Jews that are to be found outside of Europe, while the Jews currently inhabiting Europe would've been exterminated, therefore, when the Jews "set foot again in Europe" National Socialism will need to "exterminate" them again. On the other hand you could argue that Hitler is indeed referring to the deportation of Jews and future National Socialists having to clear them out again (deport them) if they "step foot" back in Europe. This seems like the proper interpretation, because only 4 days later on January 27th Hitler said:
The Jews must pack up, disappear from Europe. Let them go to Russia. Where the Jews are concerned, I'm devoid of all sense of pity. They'll always be the ferment that moves peoples one against the other. They sow discord everywhere, as much between individuals as between peoples.
They'll also have to clear out of Switzerland and Sweden. It's where they're to be found in small numbers that they're most dangerous. Put five thousand Jews in Sweden—soon they'll be holding all the posts there. Obviously, that makes them all the easier to spot.
It's entirely natural that we should concern ourselves with the question on the European level. It's clearly not enough to expel them from Germany. We cannot allow them to retain bases of withdrawal at our doors. We want to be out of danger of all kinds of infiltration.
Adolf Hitler, 27 January, 1942., Ibid., p. 260.
It should now be absolutely clear that Hitler was not referring to 'exterminating' the Jews on January 23rd, but deporting them. If he was talking about exterminating them, then it was very clearly hypothetical and had no basis in reality.
So the documentary makers were wrong to interpret this quote from Hitler's Table Talks
as a reference to the alleged Holocaust. But even so they admit that there's not any evidence to link Hitler to the 'program' anyway, which is better than nothing. However the article goes on to quote the lying partisan historian Richard J. Evans. Who believes that the documentarians were wrong, that in fact:
“There are many documents attesting to Hitler’s knowledge of the extermination of the Jews, including the diaries of his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels.”
Goebbels confided in his diaries that Hitler was “pitiless” when it came to the “Jewish Question.” Hitler believed that “The Jews must get out of Europe, if need be through [the] use of the most brutal means,” the minister wrote on one occasion. On another, he argued that “the Fuhrer is the unswerving champion and spokesman of a radical solution.”Richard Evans, quoted in: UK documentary claims Hitler was ‘very hands off’ in implementing Final Solution, The Times of Israel, 4 April 2019. | Archive
So, what comes to mind to Evans as his 'proof' that Hitler knew about the mythical Holocaust? The Goebbels diaries! I'm not convinced, and seeing as this is his example, it goes to show how strapped for evidence Evans is too, he's grasping at straws as we'll see.
First of all none of the attitudes Evans attributes to Hitler via the Goebbels diaries says anything about exterminating Jews. In fact he contradicts himself by quoting Hitler as saying that “The Jews must get out of Europe, if need be through [the] use of the most brutal means”, which very clearly implies forced deportation like that which actually occurred during the war. Nobody would deny it was brutal, but it was not a plan of extermination. That the Jews in Hitler's conception would still be made to "get out
of Europe" is totally cogent with Revisionism. If the Jews were killed they would not be forced "out" of Europe, but killed. Which isn't the same thing. Clearly. But Evans is a lying hack, so who can be surprised?
Second, Hitler may have favoured a "radical solution" to the Jewish Question, but this is vague and doesn't mean he wanted to exterminate the Jews. Evidently Evans cannot quote anything from the Goebbels diary that has Hitler explicitly saying anything about the mass murder of Jews, because he said no such things.
The first Goebbels diary entry Evans mentions is the one from 20 March 1942:
Wir sprechen zum Schluss noch über die Judenfrage. Hier bliebt der Führer nach wie vor unerbittlich. Die Juden müssen aus Europa heraus, wenn nötig, unter Anwendung der brutalsten Mittel.English:
Finally, we talked about the Jewish Question. Here the Führer is as uncompromising as ever. The Jews must leave Europe, if necessary by applying the most brutal methods.Thomas Dalton, PhD., Goebbels on the Jews: The Complete Diary Entries - 1923 to 1945 (Uckfield: Castle Hill Publishers, July 2019), Pp. 149.
The second entry Evans refers to is the infamous 27 March 1942 entry:
Aus dem Generalgouvernement werden jetzt, bei Lublin beginnend, die Juden nach dem Osten abgeschoben. Es wird hier ein ziemlich barbarisches und nicht näher beschreibendes Verfahren angewandt, und von den Juden selbst bleibt nicht mehr viel übrig. Im grossen kann man wohl feststellen, dass 60% davon liquidiert werden müssen, während nur noch 40% in die Arbeit eingesetzt werden können.English:
Der ehemalige Gauleiter von Wien, der diese Aktion durchführt, tut das mit ziemlicher Umsicht und auch mit einem Verfahren, das nicht allzu auffällig wirkt. An den Juden wird ein Strafgericht vollzogen, das zwar barbarisch ist, das sie aber vollauf verdient haben. Die Prophezeiung, die der Führer ihnen für die Herbeiführung eines neuen Weltkriegs mit auf den Weg gegeben hat, beginnt sich in der furchtbarsten Weise zu verwirklichen. Man darf in diesen Dingen keine Sentimentalität obwalten lassen. Die Juden würden, wenn wir uns ihrer nicht erwehren würden, uns vernichten. Es ist ein Kampf auf Leben und Tod zwischen der arischen Rasse und dem jüdischen Bazillus. Keine andere Regierung und kein anderes Regime könnte die Kraft aufbringen, diese Frage generell zu lösen. Auch hier ist der Führer der unentwegte Vorkämpfer und Wortführer einer radikalen Lösung, die nach Lage der Dinge geboten ist und deshalb unausweichlich erscheint. Gott sei Dank haben wir jetzt während des Krieges eine ganze Reihe von Möglichkeiten, die uns im Frieden verwehrt wären. Die müssen wir ausnutzen.
Die in den Städten des Generalgouvernements freiwerdenden Ghettos werden jetzt mit den aus dem Reich abgeschobenen Juden gefüllt, und hier soll sich dann nach einer gewissen Zeit der Prozess erneuern. Das Judentum hat nichts zu lachen, und dass seine Vertreter heute in England und in Amerika den Krieg gegen Deutschland organisieren und propagieren, das müssen seine Vertreter in Europa sehr teuer bezahlen, was wohl auch als berechtigt angesehen werden muss.
Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government are now being deported to the East. A rather barbaric method is used, one not to be described here, and there’s not much left of the Jews themselves. On the whole, one can say that about 60 percent of them will have to be liquidated, while only 40 percent can be used for labor.Ibid., p. 149-150.
The former district leader of Vienna, who is carrying out this action, is doing it with great care and in a way that does not attract too much attention. A judgment is being visited upon the Jews that, while barbaric, is fully deserved by them. The prophesy that the Führer made about them for having brought on a new World War is beginning to come true in a most terrible manner. One must not be sentimental about these things. If we didn’t fight the Jews, they would destroy us. It’s a life-and death struggle between the Aryan race and the Jewish bacillus. No other government and no other regime would have the strength to solve this question in general. Here, too, the Führer is the undismayed champion of a radical solution, which, judging by the situation, is necessary and therefore seems inexorable. Thank God we now have a whole series of opportunities in wartime that would be denied us in peacetime. We have to profit from this.
The emptied ghettos in the cities of the General Government will now be refilled with Jews deported from the Reich—a process to be repeated from time to time. Jewry has nothing to laugh about; their representatives in England and America are today organizing and sponsoring the war against Germany, and their representatives in Europe must pay dearly—and that’s only right
This quote of course sounds rather damning at first, but in truth is explainable. If interpreted the way Evans and other exterminationists would have us interpret it, latter entries in the Goebbels diary make no sense as I will show in a moment. Dalton says of this quote:
Dramatic wording, to be sure. But a few points need to be elaborated. First, if 40 percent are being saved for labor, clearly this is no plan for comprehensive mass murder (at least for the time being). Second, we now understand the likely meanings of ‘liquidation’ and ‘radical solution’; to ‘liquidate’ is to make fluid, in order to cause an entrenched population to flow outward; and the ‘radical solution’ is, by all accounts, a harsh and brutal process of ethnic cleansing rather than systematic mass murder. Third, we have yet more evidence that vernichten means something other than genocidal mass murder, given that the Jews could do no such thing to the German people. But a Jewish-infested and dominated Germany would indeed ‘destroy’ the character and integrity of traditional German society as Goebbels envisioned it. Fourth, the final paragraph is rarely cited by traditionalists; it too clearly indicates a systematic deportation process, including potentially long-term confinement. This is utterly inconsistent with a high-speed, industrialized scheme of gassing and mass murder.
When Goebbels says “Jews will be deported to the East,” it’s grammatically unclear if he means many, most, or all. Based on his subsequent remark, what he likely meant is that 60 percent of the Lublin Jews would be uprooted and shipped out (‘liquidated’) to ghettos in the East, and the other 40 percent would remain as forced laborers. This is his “radical solution,” comprising his “wartime opportunities” that would not have been otherwise possible. Of the remaining labor Jews, many would soon be located at the Majdanek labor camp near Lublin.
On the revisionist view, it’s natural to say that the liquidated Jews would be sent east: first to Belzec, then later in the year to Treblinka and Sobibor. These were the eastern transit camps designed to collect Jews from around the region, to disinfest them, and to ship them on further east to labor camps or ghettos in the newly-captured Russian, Ukrainian, or Baltic territories. This is entirely consistent with Goebbels’s actual words.
Lastly, we should recall that Goebbels had no compunction about speaking frankly. In the entry of March 16 he writes directly that it was “necessary to shoot more Jews.” So why here doesn’t he write, “we found it necessary to gas the Jews,” or some such thing, if that was in fact what was happening? But the text is not even close to this. His words make no sense, on the conventional view. Clearly something else was going on—something like ethnic cleansing and forced labor.
Ibid., p. 151.
On April 19th 1942, Goebbels wrote an entry regarding what to do with mixed-race Jews:
Sehr starke Diskussionen werden in den einschlägigen Kreisen veranstaltet über die Frage, was mit den jüdischen Mischlingen zu geschehen habe. Zweifellos bilden sie ein ernstes Hindernis für die radikale Lösung der Judenfrage. Einerseits wird der Standpunkt vertreten, man solle sie sterilisieren, andererseits der Standpunkt, sie sollten ausgewiesen werden. Die Standpunkte sind noch nicht so weit geklärt, dass man sich selbst dazu entscheiden könnte.English:
Very strong discussions are held in the relevant circles regarding what to do with the mixed-race Jews. Undoubtedly they constitute a serious obstacle for the radical solution of the Jewish Question. On the one hand, it is argued that they should be sterilized, and on the other, that they should be expelled. The positions are not yet clarified enough for one to decide what to do.Ibid., p. 154.
Of this, Dalton says:
An interesting remark on how to handle the mixed-race Jews: the “radical solution” seems to involve either sterilization or expulsion. Once again, outright murder is not even contemplated.
If the goal was to exterminate the Jews, I'd think that'd go for those who were mixed race also. Yet clearly this isn't so, at least according to Goebbels, this entry doesn't fit with the the exterminationists narrative whatsoever.
On 27 April 1942 we get a quote similar to that of April 19, except in reference to the Jewish Question as a whole:
Ich spreche mit dem Führer noch einmal ausführlich die Judenfrage durch. Sein Standpunkt diesem Problem gegenüber ist unerbittlich. Er will die Juden absolut aus Europa herausdrãngen. Das ist auch richtig so. Die Juden haben unserem Erdteil so viel Leid zugefügt, dass die härteste Strafe, die man über sie verhängen kann, immer noch zu milde ist. Himmler betreibt augenblicklich die grosse Umsiedlung der Juden aus den deutschen Städten nach den östlichen Ghettos. Ich habe veranlasst, dass hier in grossem Umfange Filmaufnahmen gemacht werden. Das Material werden wir für die spätere Erziehung unseres Volkes dringend gebrauchenEnglish:
I spoke again to the Führer in detail about the Jewish Question. His attitude toward this problem is unrelenting. He absolutely wants to push the Jews out of Europe. That’s how it should be. The Jews have brought so much misery to our continent that the harshest punishment imposed on them is still too mild. Himmler is presently implementing a large resettlement of Jews from German cities to the eastern ghettos. I have arranged to film this extensively. We urgently need this material for the later education of our people.Ibid., p. 156.
Evans has not nearly convinced me of his belief that Hitler knew, let alone orchestrated the alleged Holocaust. If this were true, you would need evidence, and if this is the evidence, it doesn't suffice.
It must also be kept in mind that these diary entries do not
substantiate the claims made about the Holocaust. Evans and his ilk use these quotations to support a pre-conceived narrative that is starved for evidence to begin with. In other words, these quotes are no substitute for physical evidence, which leaves much to be desired if their view is to be taken seriously. This means that we cannot draw any conclusions in favour of their interpretation when it rests heavily on the idea that there is physical evidence to substantiate it. Evans cannot just cite quotations from the Goebbels diary to support the Holocaust simply because he wants to believe in it, he has to actually prove the facts surrounding the Holocaust narrative first
, before he can claim these quotations support it. I have made this argument in two previous posts here
But what do these quotes prove? Not very much. Only that Goebbels talked harshly about the Jews and was indifferent to their plight, just as the Jews were indifferent to the plight of the Germans when they were corrupting their nation in the 1920s, just as they are indifferent to the plight of Whites today.