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Does a silent majority in Germany support Revisionism?

Postby sfivdf21 » 1 week 1 day ago (Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:04 pm)

Hello everyone, there is a debate that I have always wanted to open here because I think that it's a very interesting issue to debate from a revisionist perspective and also for promote our narrative it's also important to research. It's also very important to debubk the anti-revisionist tesis, if you often talk about World War II, the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler and the "Holocaust" with believers, it's probably that on some occasion you have come across some guy who has said to you things like: "The revisionist message is nonsense, the Germans themselves recognize that the Holocaust happened and they are totally against Holocaust Revisionism", "There is nothing positive in Hitler and Nazism, where their memory is least defended is in Germany" or "Germany was the guilty of the Second World War, the Germans themselves admit it, otherwise the Germans would support the Revisionist and Neonazi points of view."

In short, for the believers the fact that (according to them) the majority of Germans have a negative version of the Third Reich and believe in the orthodox narrative of World War II makes that any thesis that is favorable to Nationalsocialism and/or "Holocaust" Revisionism a nonsense and without any legitimacy. After all, are the Germans who know best their history, right?

So the point is, is there really any truth to the claims of believers about what Germans think of their recent history? How strong is the popular support in the current Germany for "Holocaust" Revisionism and Nationalsocialism on the one hand and the orthodox narrative of the "Holocaust", the Third Reich and World War II on the other?

As is well known by everyone here, Germany is an occupied and oppressed country since 1945, the Germans are subjected to their enemies and therefore they are lacking all national sovereignity and freedom (including, of course, freedom of speech and research, which is what we will point out here). In the BRD is an Orwellian persecution and censorship against everything that has to do with Nationalsocialism and "Holocaust" Revisionism. The FRG authorities are trying to be brainwash all Germans from their childhood into hating their national heroes (especially Adolf Hitler), the most glorious periods in their history (especially the Third Reich) and their own parents and grandparents and also that feel guilty for a "genocide" that never existed. Simultaneously to all this there is also a ruthless persecution against all those German who in public express an opinion which it's favorable to Hitler and skeptical of the "Holocaust".

However, I ask, have the majority of Germans really succumbed to anti-German "Holocaust" propaganda? I have my serious doubts about this because although it's true that many Germans have been brainwashed, I don't think that many others and perhaps the majority of Germans have been. It's true that as I have said there is a brutal social engineering and persecution against the dissident of this disgusting anti-German propaganda, but the Germans of the postwar generations also have (or had those who have already passed away due the pass of the decades) their parents and grandparents who lived the time of Hitler and World War II, if the postwar Germans can be receptive to the lies told to them by a school teacher or by a dark-minded journalist and politician who works for the enemies of Germany by pushing a Jewish propaganda agenda, why not? Can they be with their own parents and grandparents to contrast the misinformation they receive? It seems very difficult to me to believe that most Germans are not able to listen to the views of their parents and grandparents who lived through the Third Reich (I am talking about the ordinary German citizen, not the brainwashed leftist who celebrates the Dresden bombing with the motto "Arthur Harris do it again").

However I am of the opinion that despite all the brutal campaign of social engineering prevailing today I believe that there is a silent majority of Germans who are skeptical of the "Holocaust" and the official narrative of World War II and the Third Reich and that they even have a positive views of Adolf Hitler and Nationalsocialism. Of course, they are guesswork. The only possible way to know for sure what the majority of Germans really think about Hitler and the "Holocaust" would be to repeal certain laws and allow Germans to freely express themselves and discuss the history of their country.

Despite being conjectures I think that what I say may be well founded, for example yesterday I saw again the famous interview with Ursula Haverbeck from 2015 that made her notorious and from min. 43:50 until min. 44:14 she literally said the following when was asked by the interviewer about if she thinks that she could be able to convince the majority of Germans that the Holocaust is a lie:
Even now, I already have the impression that the majority of thinking Germans have experienced so many contradictions that they, at the very least, doubt it strongly. And perhaps even more so, a great many tradespeople and the like, precisely because they're people with their feet on the ground, also say, "That simply can't be right".

I was also very pleasantly impressed when I saw the movie er ist wieder da, this movie (although it seems more like a social experiment) is about how the German society would react if Adolf Hitler returned, there were improvised and real scenes (that is, genuinely authentic, unscripted) of the actor dressed as Hitler interacting with German passersby, the overwhelming majority of them reacted positively when they interacted with "Hitler" and the actor who impersonated the Führer says that he was acclaimed by the majority of Germans who saw him (and not for what the actor is, but for what he represented at that time, and what he represented was Adolf Hitler). In some scenes there were even some Germans who saluted and were photographed with the actor dressed as Hitler doing the Fascist salute as shown in this video. There was such an impact shortly after the film's release that many FRG's and outside journalists, politicians, and media personalities (including Tom Masucci, the actor who impersonated Hitler) lamented that "Hitler" was so well received in today's Germany, calling that fact of "far-right drift" of the German society.

Therefore, as a final thought on the matter, I ask you the following questions, Do the majority of Germans really believe in the "Holocaust"? What do Germans really think about Hitler and Nationalsocialism today? What is their true current perception of World War II and the Third Reich era? Does the average German citizen feel represented by the perfidious political and journalistic class of the FRG that constantly falsifies their history and tries to instill in them a feeling of guilt and self-hatred by his promotion of the Holocaust agenda? Do you think there is hope that "Holocaust" Revisionism will triumph in Germany and the disgusting cult of guilt will crumble? I would like to read what you think about this issue especially the users who are Germans and/or who live or have lived in Germany, they will be able to speak with more knowledge about this issue, thanks in advice.

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Re: Does a silent majority in Germany support Revisionism?

Postby borjastick » 1 week 1 day ago (Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:11 am)

Here are my thoughts as a British man of a certain age 60+ who has visited Germany many times over the years and has met many Germans in and out of Germany.

I think those Germans who were alive during the war probably have a decent majority who didn't believe the holocaust claims for various reasons.

Those Germans born shortly after the war and into the 60s and 70s have been conditioned to believe that Germany was an evil country that did terrible things never doubt what they were told at school and in the media and are filed with a heavy burden of guilt. This is the group I have met most of and have found they almost all accept the national guilt.

I used to live in the Philippines for a while. When I had my house built in a lovely high jungle sea view location there were some Germans who had developed a little section a few hundred metres from us. Very nice people and when I first went inside the general manager's house I noticed he had swastikas carved into the sides of his wooden furniture which was made in a local factory. All very decorative and stylish but obvious to those who knew the symbol. I didn't ask him anything but I did meet his mother who would have been born well before the war and chatting to him and her over a cuppa one day it became obvious to me they were Hitler sympathisers. Not in any over the top way but a comment here and a comment there led me to this feeling.

I then bought another plot of land adjacent to mine and built a one bedroom house on it. Very native looking and lovely but with all mod cons like aircon etc. Along came German Klaus, who was new to the Philippines and had nothing to do with the other Germans mentioned above, and he bought it. When he was settled in we went there for his famous German cheesecake and I noticed on the sideboard a picture of a man in full military (WW2) uniform, navy I think. That was his dad. I asked him several questions and it was quite clear that he was one of the burdened, carrying all the guilt about Germany and its terrible role on both wars and killing all the jews etc. I dropped the subject there and then.

The final group is of course those who were born in the past thirty years or so. These I think go with the flow and are force fed at school the lies but this group has more in it who do not believe.
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Re: Does a silent majority in Germany support Revisionism?

Postby Hektor » 5 days 1 hour ago (Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:07 am)

A larger portion of Germans alive during the WW2 era will def. have had their own reservations about the subject. Bear in mind that the Holocaust wasn't invented until decades later thought. Those were "atrocities in concentration camps" and they probably thought that this was propaganda or exaggerated. The vast majority had different experiences from before, during and after the war. So no way to persuade them otherwise. It was different with those that already had a grudge against NS of course, especially when they got privileged positions after WW2 in media academia and gov. --- They'd all to willing grasp up any accusation they could, since that would distract from the fact that they themselves were committing crimes by collaborating with the Allies.

The immediate post-war era has gone by.... And the intense Holocaust Indoctrination only took place from the 1970s onward. It's essentially those born 10 years after 1945 and later that were subject to it. The later boomers as well following generations. Those also had a different type of teacher corpse among which people with first hand experience were vanishing from. I don't think that there is tacit support for Revisionism among most of those, though. But there is a "Holocaust Fatigue". People are annoyed by the subject being peddled to them over and over again. Ironically it's this that may actually make it more difficult for Revisionism. If people don't want to hear about the subject, they will not deal with the critique of it neither.

If there would have been fair treatment of the subject, with some real public discourse on it, the Holocaust would def. loose it's "moral strength" and "credibility" within month. But that would also have implications on the legitimacy of the present elites as well as many of the policies they've implemented over time, especially immigration and institutionalised parasitism by moochers and activists in bureaucracy and NGO's (which are state-funded, even if that is indirectly).

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