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Criticism towards Faurisson

Postby Eduardo » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:10 am)

In a recent article by David Cole in "Taki's Magazine" (see https://www.takimag.com/article/handica ... vid-derby/), David Cole shows a strong criticism towards Robert Faurisson. In some point of the text, he declares "The mainstream camp wouldn’t compromise on the 6 million figure even though all documentary evidence shows it to be untenable, and the deniers wouldn’t accept the premeditated mass murder of over 2.4 million Russian and Polish Jews from 1941 to 1943, even though all documentary evidence confirms that it occurred". Where is such evidence?

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Re: Criticism towards Faurisson

Postby borjastick » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:21 am)

Eduardo wrote:In a recent article by David Cole in "Taki's Magazine" (see https://www.takimag.com/article/handica ... vid-derby/), David Cole shows a strong criticism towards Robert Faurisson. In some point of the text, he declares "The mainstream camp wouldn’t compromise on the 6 million figure even though all documentary evidence shows it to be untenable, and the deniers wouldn’t accept the premeditated mass murder of over 2.4 million Russian and Polish Jews from 1941 to 1943, even though all documentary evidence confirms that it occurred". Where is such evidence?


That is Cole using weasel words and chicanery. Be very careful to read exactly what people say.

There is a massive difference between 'documentary evidence' and physical evidence.

Many a slip twixt cup and lip...
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician

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Re: Criticism towards Faurisson

Postby EtienneSC » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:19 am)

Eduardo wrote:Where is such evidence?
Cole explained his position in a series of video monologues in 2020 which are discussed on the following thread:
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13392
He says he intends to revise his autobiography to expand his arguments. His main sources are the Korherr report and Himmler's Posen and Sondhofen speeches.

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Re: Criticism towards Faurisson

Postby DissentingOpinions » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:37 am)

I think David’s hostility towards revisionists, particularly Faurisson, is because he’s trying to save his own skin by backtracking. He actually says in his Auschwitz documentary that he knows the documents & eyewitnesses prove nothing, yet here he is now citing Korherr as “definitive proof”, because we have no confirmed survivors of Treblinka being found in the Eastern Territories. In the original essays he wrote in 2014, he even goes as far to agree with Irving by saying “In the end, we don’t know what was used as the murder weapon.” ; LOL, okay - must’ve been Harry Potter magic then. Any aggressiveness coming from him though is probably his alcohol talking - he’s a pretty reasonable guy when given the opportunity, at least in my correspondence with him.

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Re: Criticism towards Faurisson

Postby Archie » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:16 pm)

Ever since he resurfaced, Cole has sought to draw a novel distinction between true "revisionists" like himself and "deniers" like Faurisson. He is trying to have it both ways by standing by most of his Auschwitz work while at the same time he wants to say he believes in some form of "the Holocaust," and hence is not a wicked denier. I can only think of three people who hold that frankly silly position (or at least claim to publicly). Cole, Weber, and Irving. That's about it. Back in the 1990s, all three of them were "deniers" by Cole's current definition and all three of them had views that were broadly equivalent to Faurisson's. This distinction Cole is trying to make simply didn't exist in the 90s.

The reason that virtually nobody believes in Cole's "Holocaust-lite" type position is that the Holocaust mythology is interdependent. We don't see opinions on the matter uniformly distributed with people saying <1M, 2M, 3M, 4M, etc across the whole spectrum. You basically see Jews and "mainstream" people saying 6 million (maybe a little less) and you see revisionists saying probably not even 1M with approximately zero executed in gas chambers. If the Auschwitz testimonies and confessions are false then the Treblinka story which rests on the exact same sort of "evidence" only weaker is also doubtful.

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Re: Criticism towards Faurisson

Postby Hektor » 1 month 3 weeks ago (Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:27 am)

Eduardo wrote:.... Where is such evidence?

Always somewhere else.

And of a nature, that "we don't have to show it to you", since "you are not a reputable" historian.


Cole is trying to salvage the story without having to admit that he was too wrong on this in the past. What he does is similar to what David Irving did. Claiming something is evidence for the Holocaust, that simply isn't. I wonder when will main-stream exterminationists go for that bait and promote it as such. Promoting something as evidence for your thesis that isn't will ultimately lead to its demise.

So I like Cole and Irving doing this. Also van Pelt's attempt to shift the Holocaust within Auschwitz may turn out to be useful in the end. They'll dismiss each other stories it turns out hat nothing of what they assert can actually be proven.


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