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Re: Churchill quote: is it genuine?

Postby Reinhard » 5 years 2 months ago (Thu May 23, 2013 4:08 pm)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:By 'they', Churchill meant the British, in the event of a German invasion.


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Re: Churchill quote: is it genuine?

Postby NickA » 11 months 4 weeks ago (Thu Aug 17, 2017 4:11 pm)

You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest.. --Winston Churchill The source usually given is Emrys Hughes, Winston Churchill - His Career in War and Peace, p. 145, and one site gives a further "source" quoted as per: Adrian Preissinger, Von Sachsenhausen bis Buchenwald, p. 23.

I think this quote must be false.

Worth noting, other authors have said similar things about Churchill's intention, these 4 people quote Richard Lamb:
In the early months of the conflict, there were essentially three views in British political and industrial/financial circles: businessmen like Lord Beaverbrook and many Tories believed that as the war threatened to destroy Britain's interests so comprehensively, peace talks should begin immediately. Others, such as Chamberlain and Halifax, who wanted a deal with a Hitler-free Germany - although his regime could remain - made overtures to Goering. The third group believed the whole Nazi regime must go before attempting any settlement, favouring close cooperation with the anti-Hitlerites on the General Staff.

At that stage, not even Churchill advocated the fourth option - that *any* compromise with Germany under *any* leadership was out of the question.[56. Lamb, Richard, "Churchill as War Leader: Right or Wrong?" 1991 p.16] The idea that the war should be fought until Germany was crushed was actually anathema to the British, since it would facilitate Soviet domination of Eastern and Central Europe.

p.140 - Chapter 5 - The Odd Couple - "Friendly Fire, the Secret War between the Allies" 2005 Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince, Stephen Prior with additional research by Robert Brydon (d. 2003).

Amazon reviews are always a good place to get a feel for books - "Friendly Fire" by Lynn Picknett is well reviewed but her source (Lamb) is not so good. Sad to say, Lynn Picknett's other books don't inspire very much confidence.

And it seems a bit suspicious that Picknett et al doesn't have lots of references for a claim so explosive.

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Re: Churchill quote: is it genuine?

Postby Mortimer » 11 months 4 weeks ago (Fri Aug 18, 2017 8:08 am)

The quote is still being used on websites such as here - http://whale.to/b/bombing_ger.html (scroll to bottom of page)
Regardless of whether this particular quote is genuine or not there is plenty of other evidence available which reveal Churchill's criminal nature -
https://crimesofbritain.com/2016/09/13/ ... churchill/

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Re: Churchill quote: is it genuine?

Postby Hektor » 11 months 3 weeks ago (Sun Aug 20, 2017 7:37 am)

Mortimer wrote:The quote is still being used on websites such as here - http://whale.to/b/bombing_ger.html (scroll to bottom of page)
Regardless of whether this particular quote is genuine or not there is plenty of other evidence available which reveal Churchill's criminal nature -
https://crimesofbritain.com/2016/09/13/ ... churchill/

Although that page is riddled with false or misleading statements as well.

If quotes aren't in handwriting, there should be viewed with suspicion. Hearsay isn't good neither. After all we are Revisionists.

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Re: Churchill quote: is it genuine?

Postby be1015 » 6 days 2 hours ago (Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:48 pm)

judge a man by his actions. in the case of Churchill makes all these quotes seem real. also factor the bullshit anti german propaganda that had been rife since before ww1

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Re: Churchill quote: is it genuine?

Postby Mortimer » 4 days 9 hours ago (Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:36 am)

be1015 wrote:judge a man by his actions. in the case of Churchill makes all these quotes seem real. also factor the bullshit anti german propaganda that had been rife since before ww1

Exactly. Churchill is responsible for many crimes which have caused the deaths of millions of people. Some of them -
1. His involvement in the Lusitania sinking - https://codoh.com/library/document/4186/
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=10510
2. The complete indifference to millions of Indians starving to death during the Bengal famine - viewtopic.php?f=26&t=8241
3. Support for unconditional surrender instead of a negotiated peace which prolonged WW2 leading to millions of unnecessary casualties on both sides - viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10192
4. Handing over to Stalin anti communist Russians, Ukrainians, Cossacks etc knowing they would be executed or sent to the gulag - https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018/06/ ... i-tolstoy/


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