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DAMAGE CONTROL: The New Holohoax Frontier

Postby Callahan » 3 weeks 4 days ago (Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:25 am)

The hoax is crumbling. There is no doubt about that. Revisionism is more popular than ever, with new resources popping up left and right. The question is... what is left for the hoaxters to do? There is really only one angle left for them to take, I think... and it will begin with concessions, little-by-little, just a few at a time.

The first so far, of course, has been Auschwitz. Accepting 'everything but Auschwitz' is a trademark of "semi-revisionism", which arguably began (at least by intent) with David Cole, who admits in his book, "Republican Party Animal", essentially that he joined revisionism as a disingenuous infiltration effort, claims he never "denied the Holocaust", and disavows many of his former Revisionist peers, regarding them as senseless "deniers", suggesting that only semi-revisionists like himself, Irving, and Weber, are "true" Revisionists.

The following article has valuable insight about the intellectual bankruptcy of "semi-revisionism":

Semi-Revisionism is Dead
Putting David Cole’s “Denial is Dead” into Context
By Hadding Scott
https://jan27.org/semi-revisionism-is-dead/


Without going too far off-topic, I want to add that I think the appeal for backpedaling into "semi-revisionism" is easy to observe. Suddenly, one can make a substantial argument that they are no longer a "denier" and perhaps restore a portion of social and professional opportunities they had been shut out from. One might lost a bit of their soul in doing so, but, hey, "walk a mile...".....

Anyway, my question is... what to expect next from "semi-revisionism"? What does Semi-Revisionism 2.0 look like? My best guess is that this is what we will find in David Baddiel's upcoming documentary. There is no way any producer could provide even a modestly critical history of Revisionism while making it appear honest and well-intentioned, without making some significant concessions along the way.

My best guess is that we are delving further into stage three (see below)... the question becomes: how to handle it?

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
- German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer

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Re: DAMAGE CONTROL: The New Holohoax Frontier

Postby stinky » 3 weeks 4 days ago (Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:37 am)

Interesting, I was just reading up on old mate Cole, Stein, Desmond Bowles, Cal Tinbergen, David Harvey........
He lies so much, he has a hard time keeping them straight. What a deceitful, dishonest, alcoholic, filthy little pervert.
I think you are right about the "semi-revisionism" angle, and you can guarantee Jews will be claiming credit for the "new" revision.
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Re: DAMAGE CONTROL: The New Holohoax Frontier

Postby Pia Kahn » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:24 pm)

Neither David Cole nor David Irving were pardoned by the gatekeepers of the holocaust story. Thus, semi-revisionism won't protect you from malevolent persecution.

How are things going to develop? Well, I think the holocaust orthodoxy will silently and slowly abandon sacred beliefs and move into the direction of the revisionists without ever conceding that this is happening. The holocaust bull like lamp shades and soap have been more or less secretly abandoned. These stories are no longer mentioned; the main stream hopes that nobody will ask any questions. Majdanek is slowly being deleted from the list of extermination camps.... This is a gradual process ....

At the same time the persecution of the holocaust revisionists will intensify. At some point the whole edifice will crumble because everybody will be merely pretending to believe because of fear of persecution. Think of the collapse of Soviet style communism in around 1990....

This is how I see the future.
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Re: DAMAGE CONTROL: The New Holohoax Frontier

Postby Callahan » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:56 pm)

Pia Kahn wrote:Neither David Cole nor David Irving were pardoned by the gatekeepers of the holocaust story. Thus, semi-revisionism won't protect you from malevolent persecution.

David now has a career writing for Taki's Mag among other things, and Irving is still writing independently and giving lectures. These are just the professional aspects, not to mention the social advantages of being able to say, "I am not a denier [anymore]. There was indeed a Holocaust!". It's a weight off your shoulders, no doubt, given that this is the most heavily persecuted and stigmatized belief system in the civilized world today.

How are things going to develop? Well, I think the holocaust orthodoxy will silently and slowly abandon sacred beliefs and move into the direction of the revisionists without ever conceding that this is happening. The holocaust bull like lamp shades and soap have been more or less secretly abandoned. These stories are no longer mentioned; the main stream hopes that nobody will ask any questions. Majdanek is slowly being deleted from the list of extermination camps.... This is a gradual process ....

At the same time the persecution of the holocaust revisionists will intensify. At some point the whole edifice will crumble because everybody will be merely pretending to believe because of fear of persecution. Think of the collapse of Soviet style communism in around 1990....

This is how I see the future.

I mostly agree, although I am less certain of the extent to which persecution may intensify. I think they will instead aim to suggest this has all been a trivial matter altogether.

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Re: DAMAGE CONTROL: The New Holohoax Frontier

Postby Pia Kahn » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:03 pm)

"..Irving is still writing independently and giving lectures..."

Writing independently on his blog. No major publisher is publishing his books. His lectures are organized in secrecy for fear of antifa persecution.

Deborah Lipstadt is still touring the world calling Irving a holocaust denier and antisemite. The recent movie "Denial" does the same thing.

I don't think Irving's strategy has really worked. Once they target you, then they never forgive and never forget.

I don't know about "Taki's Mag". Maybe Cole has a Jew bonus... But, I doubt that he can be happy.
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Re: DAMAGE CONTROL: The New Holohoax Frontier

Postby PrudentRegret » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:59 pm)

I have only researched the Holocaust for a few months. There are many questions I still have, but one thing I have learned for certain is:

There's an Iron Curtain shrouding legitimate inquiry of the Holocaust.

Since beginning to research this issue, it has been totally surreal to see how every YouTube video referenced in various posts, articles, and discussions has invariably been removed by YouTube for "wrongthink." The scale of censorship undertaken by YouTube, on the demand of special interest groups, would make Stalin proud. "Scary" is the only word that can describe it.

Callahan wrote:My best guess is that we are delving further into stage three (see below)... the question becomes: how to handle it?

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
- German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer


I haven't followed this topic for long enough to have a feel for how the tides are flowing. But my opinion is that we are barely entering the second stage- violent opposition.

YouTube banned Holocaust revisionism only about 7 months ago, and I feel like most revisionists don't have a sense for how major of an escalation this is and how much it hurts their engagement with regular people. Facebook is under immense pressure to do the same. I expect we will see an increase in violent opposition towards revisionism. I hope that the more they tighten their grip, the more that the anti-authoritarian and intellectually curious slip through their fingers and seek the forbidden knowledge. Their censorship campaigns are certainly what sparked my interest in the topic.

I also do not believe the mainstream authorities are going to backpedal or allow the narrative to move closer to "revisionist-lite." They learned their lesson with Kranz's revisions at Majdanek. If similar revisions happen at Auschwitz, that would "give up the game." In a discussion on Majdanek at the Skeptic Forums, Sergey_Romanov openly said that they shouldn't even concede Kranz's revisions to "Holocaust deniers." Their animosity towards Kranz's revisions is obvious, and that is because they are fighting a propaganda war instead of seeking the truth. And quite frankly, if they are fighting a propaganda war then they shouldn't ever grant any concessions because that's the best tactic for winning such a war. Never concede any ground towards your opponents, even if the evidence warrants it.

For that matter, there is too much investment in Auschwitz compared to say, Majdanek. The high-profile battles over Auschwitz has made it a hill that the Holocaust authorities have to defend at all costs. They cannot give any ground on it at this point, and they won't.

Pia Kahn wrote:At the same time the persecution of the holocaust revisionists will intensify. At some point the whole edifice will crumble because everybody will be merely pretending to believe because of fear of persecution. Think of the collapse of Soviet style communism in around 1990....

This is how I see the future.


Agreed. Anti-Holocaust Denial laws are the Berlin Wall of the Holocaust orthodoxy. When they are repealed that is when you know the narrative has collapsed. Unfortunately I don't see that happening any time soon. Clearly there is far to go.

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Re: DAMAGE CONTROL: The New Holohoax Frontier

Postby Pia Kahn » 3 weeks 3 days ago (Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:53 am)

I took a look at the web site of the US holocaust memorial museum:

"In late 1941, Nazi officials opted to employ an additional method to kill Jews, one originally developed for the “Euthanasia” Program: stationary gas chambers. Between 1941 and 1944, Nazi Germany and its Allies deported nearly three million Jews from areas under their control to Nazi-occupied Poland. The vast majority were sent to killing centers, often called extermination camps, at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka, and Auschwitz-Birkenau, where they were murdered primarily by means of poison gas."

Source: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... -holocaust

Please notice that two extermination camps are missing: Auschwitz-Stammlager and Majdanek. This is the sort of silent retreat that I am talking about.

"Majdanek
Though many scholars have traditionally counted the Majdanek camp as a sixth killing center, recent research had shed more light on the functions and operations at Lublin/Majdanek. Within the framework of Operation Reinhard, Majdanek primarily served to concentrate Jews whom the Germans spared temporarily for forced labor. It occasionally functioned as a killing site to murder victims who could not be killed at the Operation Reinhard killing centers: Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka II. It also contained a storage depot for property and valuables taken from the Jewish victims at the killing centers."

Source: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... n-overview


Yes, this is a victory for revisionism.

But don't expect them to simply give in. The more they fear losing the debate the more they will resort to violence and threats, preferably performed by the government such that they can cover their guilt and shame with a veneer of legitimacy.
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Re: DAMAGE CONTROL: The New Holohoax Frontier

Postby PrudentRegret » 3 weeks 2 days ago (Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:48 pm)

Pia Kahn wrote:I took a look at the web site of the US holocaust memorial museum:

"In late 1941, Nazi officials opted to employ an additional method to kill Jews, one originally developed for the “Euthanasia” Program: stationary gas chambers. Between 1941 and 1944, Nazi Germany and its Allies deported nearly three million Jews from areas under their control to Nazi-occupied Poland. The vast majority were sent to killing centers, often called extermination camps, at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor, Treblinka, and Auschwitz-Birkenau, where they were murdered primarily by means of poison gas."

Source: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... -holocaust

Please notice that two extermination camps are missing: Auschwitz-Stammlager and Majdanek. This is the sort of silent retreat that I am talking about.

"Majdanek
Though many scholars have traditionally counted the Majdanek camp as a sixth killing center, recent research had shed more light on the functions and operations at Lublin/Majdanek. Within the framework of Operation Reinhard, Majdanek primarily served to concentrate Jews whom the Germans spared temporarily for forced labor. It occasionally functioned as a killing site to murder victims who could not be killed at the Operation Reinhard killing centers: Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka II. It also contained a storage depot for property and valuables taken from the Jewish victims at the killing centers."

Source: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... n-overview


Yes, this is a victory for revisionism.

But don't expect them to simply give in. The more they fear losing the debate the more they will resort to violence and threats, preferably performed by the government such that they can cover their guilt and shame with a veneer of legitimacy.


The very first photograph on your link to USHMM is titled Close-up street portrait of Dawid Samoszul. He was killed in Treblinka at the age of 9..

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I can’t imagine they would state this without supporting evidence. But a quick Google search only returns the same information from USHMM. Does anyone have any more information on Dawid?

Adding to the above, the USHMM also does not even so much as mention Majdanek in its article dedicated to gassing operations:

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... operations

I think it’s fair to conclude that the USHMM denies the “extermination camp” status of Majdanek. The folks at the Skeptic Forums told me that is sufficient for one to be denounced as a “Holocaust Denier.” Yet my views on Majdanek are likely closer to the USHMM than Sergey’s. Sergey even tried to rally the troops to push back against Kranz’s revisions. It’s highly inconvenient for them that the USHMM seems hesitant to categorize Majdanek as an extermination camp.

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Re: DAMAGE CONTROL: The New Holohoax Frontier

Postby Callahan » 2 weeks 5 days ago (Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:17 pm)

So it has begun... In an article for the NYTimes (reviewing a book that was published today), a Jewish historian says stories of Mengele at Auschwitz are "more trope than truth".

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Re: DAMAGE CONTROL: The New Holohoax Frontier

Postby Zulu » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:23 pm)

Callahan wrote:So it has begun... In an article for the NYTimes (reviewing a book that was published today), a Jewish historian says stories of Mengele at Auschwitz are "more trope than truth".

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David G. Marwell probably doesn't discharge Mengele from all his supposed crimes, certainly because otherwise his book would be classed as a "denier book" and not listed on Amazon.
However it would be interesting to verify if the crimes mentioned by the viewer on his article are indeed in the book.
The complete article of the NYT in pdf
New Mengele NYT.pdf
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On the actual Mengele, two revisionist articles must be read too:
Josef Mengele – the Creation of a Myth
Germar Rudolf
https://inconvenienthistory.com/9/2/4609
Dr. Mengele's "Medical Experiments" on Twins in the Birkenau Gypsy Camp
Carlo Mattogno
https://inconvenienthistory.com/5/4/3223

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Re: DAMAGE CONTROL: The New Holohoax Frontier

Postby Zulu » 2 weeks 3 days ago (Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:20 pm)

PrudentRegret wrote:The very first photograph on your link to USHMM is titled Close-up street portrait of Dawid Samoszul. He was killed in Treblinka at the age of 9..
Image

I can’t imagine they would state this without supporting evidence. But a quick Google search only returns the same information from USHMM. Does anyone have any more information on Dawid?

A quick search on Yad Vashem database gives 2 entries which probably for the same person as often in the YV Shoah's victims list.
There is no precision about the cause of death.

1. David Samorshul
murdered according with a page of testimony submitted by Samuel Wilson
Samorshul.png

Samorshul.pdf
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2. Dawid Samoszul
murdered according with a page of testimony submitted by the "Organization of Piotrkow survovors"
Samoszul.png

Samoszul.pdf
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On the Auschwitz Museum database it appears only Samoszul Josef who could be a relative as he was born in Petrikau which is Piotrkow in German, a city related to Dawid.
Samoszul Josef.png

Maybe other databases online could give more. I don't know if Bad Arolsen has opened its archives to the public online.


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