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Majdanek

Postby david2923 » 1 week 15 hours ago (Thu May 21, 2020 2:10 am)

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A few tidbits about the so called death camp called Majdanek
Lately I have been studying the Majdanek camp with data from Eric Hunt, David McCalden and David Cole. There is very little about Majdanek on this site. I hope a few of these items may spark some interest

Distance from said gas chamber to cremation oven at Majdanek
(See figure 1 and 2) (Unable to upload figure 2/ see google map if interested
See David Cole’s question 35. He questions the logic of having the gas chamber and cremation ovens separated so far apart. The total distance from my calculation is 1.3km. Consider the logistics of getting the bodies to the transport, stack them on the transport, hauling the bodies to the cremation ovens. Unload the bodies and bring them to the cremation oven. Lastly, making the trip back for another load of bodies. In my opinion, this is not very efficient, just a lot of extra work.

Bath House 2 original entrance boarded up
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This photo is from Eric Hunt’s documentary. This is Bath house 2. The Majdanek people boarded up the original entrance to this building. My arrows show the area that was boarded up. This building is not accessible for tours.

Blueprint drawing of Bath House 2
(See figure 4)
See layout of the interior of Bath House 2. I had the words translated by a German friend of mine. The drawing is from March 31st 1942. If you need clearer copies, I can provide.

Inside Bath House 1 gas chamber
(See figure 5 and 5a)
This is a photo taken from inside the said gas chamber at Bath house 1. According to Eric Hunt this room was said to be an experimental gas chamber. Note the following in this room. The museum lied for 60 years of this room being a gas chamber. This is my favorite photo.
• Window in the gas chamber?
• A room within a room gas chamber?
• A flimsy door that opens towards the inside. No lock on the door?
• Blue stains from the use of Zyklon B in this room
Those things that make you go “Hmmmm?”

Building Add-on courtesy of the Soviets
(See Figures 1 and 6)
Figure 1 shows you what the building looks like from space. Not very smart engineering if you are constructing a kill center. I think most of can agree the Germans are better engineers than this?
Figure 6 arrows shows the difference in window frame material and construction style of the original building and add-on section. I feel Mr. Hunt’s claim of add-on after the war is quite valid.

The Kidz reenactment of being gassed in Bath House 1 gas chamber
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See kids reenacting being gassed in this said gas chamber inside Bath House 1. I so wish I could have been there at that time, because I would have asked them to pretend both doors are lock and cannot be opened, and Zyklon B was falling from the hole in the ceiling. What would you do? How would you react? What would you all do??? Hint: See figure 5.

Inside Majdanek Gas Chamber 2 and 3 riddle.
David Cole pointed out in his 46 questions that gas chamber 2 had no blue stains on the inside and trace amount readings of HCN, but has a hole for Zyklon B to fall from. Whereas gas chamber 3 has no hole in the ceiling, and a lot of blue staining on the walls and ceiling. From the photos, I found, his findings are correct. I am sure this is a hard question for Majdanek Museum staff.

Math of the total death claims
In August 1944 it was claimed that 2,000,000 died at Majdanek. In 2005, that figure was revised downward to 78,000 killed. The math is… 78,000 / 2,000,000 = .039. So the 3.9% of the original 2,000,000 actually died? 100% - 3.9% = is a revision downward of 96.1%. The believers should give it up.

Math of daily Majdanek cremation capabilities per day
It was stated that the 5 Kori brand ovens at Majdanek could cremate 2,000 bodies in one day. I am not sure what they meant by “One Day”, so I will assume 24 hours anyways regardless of cleaning and maintenance. Lets do the math.
We have 2,000 bodies cremated in a 24 hour period with 5 Kori ovens
2,000 / 24 hours = 83.3 bodies cremated in 1 hour with 5 ovens.
83.3 bodies / 5 ovens = just under 16.7 bodies per oven per hour. Wow!! that’s amazing! If we only had that capability in this modern age.
Please check my math and come to your own conclusions

Remembering the Hoax in the USA
Recently the US authorized $10,000,000 to spread the hoax to public school for next 5 years. The state of Texas will have one week during the year dedicated to remembering the hoax. Texas is a state that if you want a state grant to rebuild your home after a hurricane, you must sign a pledge not to boycott Israel. I wonder if the genocide of the Native Americans will ever get such exposure. See wounded Knee 1890.
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Re: Majdanek

Postby borjastick » 1 week 11 hours ago (Thu May 21, 2020 5:49 am)

I'll give you an example of how prepared, thorough and thoughtful German companies are when it comes to planning things. As some of the older readers here know I was/am a lifelong marketing and communications man. Spent many many years in client side marketing departments and later on a couple of decades as a senior account man in London ad agencies.

It was not uncommon to be asked to go on factory trips to see how they do things, what makes them special and find angles and messages to convey in ad campaigns.

One of the companies I dealt with for some years was a large German industrial group who shall remain nameless for this submission. They invited me and my creative director to visit their main factory in West Germany in about 1993. Apart from lashings of wonderful German beer we enjoyed a fascinating factory tour. One of their proudest facets was attention to detail on their product and quality control. In the quality control department we found men in white coats testing everything to within an inch of its life. While in that room we could see through the large windows into another testing facility. I asked what that was for and the guide said that it was another quality control room which tests the work of the inspectors in here. I was confused and asked why. He was confused at my question and said why not?

They are just so thorough and thoughtful and so when you have a 'death camp' designed and operated by Germans that has a lift for bodies that cannot be efficient or a gas chamber 1.3kms from the crematorium you know you have been lied to. It's just not the German way.
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Re: Majdanek

Postby Waldgänger » 1 week 1 hour ago (Thu May 21, 2020 4:03 pm)

david2923, The 'gas chamber' was 1.3 km from the Crematorium? I never knew this before. We are told that the entire Third Reich was geared towards two things: waging aggressive war, and exterminating all Jews. Why is it, then, that the State moved heaven and earth to reconfigure the French & Belgian coasts against invasion, fortified the Rhineland & Eifel regions, and made plans to totally rebuild Berlin, Warsaw, and many other cities -- yet they couldn't design a conveyor belt or small train track for carrying gassed corpses more than a kilometre from 'gas chamber' to crematorium? A farce.

borjastick, this is a good point. In the many stories we have of the Holocaust, not one of them seems to take into account what a realistic German mindset would be in the sciences and industry. Even those survivors who try to present an image of "scientific Teutonic efficiency" in killing operations end up inventing stories that would seem complicated to them, but are laughable to Germans. These 'witnesses' were, after all, Slavic, working class/peasant Jews and generally ignorant folk. They present caricatures and cartoons - what they imagine high science looks like - not real people or functioning systems.

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Re: Majdanek

Postby david2923 » 6 days 15 hours ago (Fri May 22, 2020 2:16 am)

Here is another attempt to show the route from gas chamber to cremation facility. Hope it sticks
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Postby PrudentRegret » 6 days 6 hours ago (Fri May 22, 2020 11:12 am)

david2923 wrote:Here is another attempt to show the route from gas chamber to cremation facility. Hope it sticks


It was for this reason that the Germans trained dogs to carry gassed children to the crematorium, according to sources:

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In all seriousness, the claim about dogs transporting gassed prisoners to the crematorium is dead, but the claim that human ashes were used to fertilize fields at Majdanek is very much alive.

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Re: Majdanek

Postby cold beer » 5 days 22 hours ago (Fri May 22, 2020 6:57 pm)

david2923 wrote:Here is another attempt to show the route from gas chamber to cremation facility. Hope it sticks

That's good, very useful.
The camp seems to be small, do you know if this was the entire camp as it existed during the war?

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Postby cold beer » 5 days 22 hours ago (Fri May 22, 2020 7:01 pm)

PrudentRegret wrote:
david2923 wrote:Here is another attempt to show the route from gas chamber to cremation facility. Hope it sticks


It was for this reason that the Germans trained dogs to carry gassed children to the crematorium, according to sources:

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In all seriousness, the claim about dogs transporting gassed prisoners to the crematorium is dead, but the claim that human ashes were used to fertilize fields at Majdanek is very much alive.

Thanks for posting that, I've been looking for newpaper articles concerning the 1.5m (or 1.7m or 2M)
I'd like to find out who Sobolewski was.

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Postby PrudentRegret » 5 days 22 hours ago (Fri May 22, 2020 7:31 pm)

cold beer wrote:Thanks for posting that, I've been looking for newpaper articles concerning the 1.5m (or 1.7m or 2M)
I'd like to find out who Sobolewski was.



This one refers to Majdanek as well:

LUBLIN, Poland, Aug. 27 (Delayed) -- I have just seen the most terrible place on the face of the earth -- the German concentration camp at Maidanek, which was a veritable River Rouge for the production of death, in which it is estimated by Soviet and Polish authorities that as many as 1,500,000 persons from nearly every country in Europe were killed in the last three years.


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https://www.nytimes.com/1944/08/30/archives/nazi-mass-killing-laid-bare-in-camp-victims-put-at-1500000-in-huge.html

Deborah Lipstadt, in a syndicated L.A Times column in 1983, claims:

In the fall of 1944, Allied forces reached Majdanek and found the remains of 1.7 million Jews.


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Ironically, Lipstadt is scolding Americans for not believing atrocity claims published by newspapers during the war, immediately before she publishes Soviet wartime atrocity disinformation about the remains of 1.7 million Jews being found at Majdanek.

Another ridiculous Majdanek tale published in a newspaper:

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cold beer wrote:I'd like to find out who Sobolewski was.


Here's a starting point, where the 2 million claim is stated by the Soviet-Polish commission:

https://youtu.be/lqFFYagEwYg?t=296

In Majdanek, the German executioners killed roughly 2 million innocent people...
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Re: Majdanek

Postby cold beer » 5 days 21 hours ago (Fri May 22, 2020 7:41 pm)

PrudentRegret wrote:This one refers to Majdanek as well:

Thanks again.
I'm trying to relocate a film made by the Soviets at the liberation where they mention 50 acres of bones and ash in a nearby field.
They never showed it in the film, for obvious reasons.
I'm hoping someone has that video.

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Postby PrudentRegret » 5 days 21 hours ago (Fri May 22, 2020 7:46 pm)

cold beer wrote:
PrudentRegret wrote:This one refers to Majdanek as well:

Thanks again.
I'm trying to relocate a film made by the Soviets at the liberation where they mention 50 acres of bones and ash in a nearby field.
They never showed it in the film, for obvious reasons.
I'm hoping someone has that video.


The video I edited into my previous post has what you are looking for. I did a transcript search and found the passage you are referencing at 07:24: https://youtu.be/lqFFYagEwYg?t=393

PrudentRegret wrote:Here's a starting point, where the 2 million claim is stated by the Soviet-Polish commission:

https://youtu.be/lqFFYagEwYg?t=296

In Majdanek, the German executioners killed roughly 2 million innocent people...

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Postby Hannover » 5 days 19 hours ago (Fri May 22, 2020 9:50 pm)

More 'holocaust' demolishing information about Majdanek, a classic from another thread.

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Briefly, on the laughable "Majdanek gas chambers", from: Forty-Six Important Unanswered Questions Regarding the Nazi Gas Chambers
By David Cole
https://codoh.com/library/document/987/?lang=en
Unanswered Questions Regarding the Physical Evidence at the Majdanek Concentration Camp (Poland)

(27) Gas chamber 1 has two doors, both of which open INTO the gas chamber room. How can a homicidal gas chamber have two doors which open IN? Wouldn't the bodies be pressed up against the doors, as described numerous times by eyewitnesses?

(28) The main door into the gas chamber 1 has no locks. It can be opened from either the inside or the outside. There are no holes or fittings where a lock might have been. What stopped the inmates from opening this door?

(29) Gas chamber 1 has a plate glass window in it. There are no holes or fittings around the window where bars or any other kind of cover might once have been. Since the plaster around the window is covered with blue stains, we know that it is the plaster that existed during the time Zyklon B gas was used in this room. If there WERE bars or any other type of cover attached to this window, why are there no traces? What would have stopped the inmates from trying to climb out the window, or breaking the window and causing a gas leak?

(30) There is a room INSIDE gas chamber 1. Why would there be a separate room INSIDE a gas chamber? Doesn't this room indicate that gas chamber 1 was used for something OTHER than killing people?

(31) Gas chambers 2 and 3 are designed backwards. Chamber 2 has a Zyklon B induction hole in the ceiling, but no Zyklon B traces or blue stains. Chamber 3 has heavy, floor-to-ceiling Zyklon B traces and blue stains, but no Zyklon B induction hole. And, like the roof of Krema 2 at Auschwitz, the ceiling shows no sign of a hole having ever been there. Why would chamber 2 have a Zyklon B induction hole and no traces, and chamber 3 plenty of traces but no hole?

(32) The ceilings in chambers 2 and 4 are low enough so that the Zyklon B induction holes could have been blocked by the victims. What would have stopped the inmates from blocking the holes?

(33) The doors to chambers 2,3 and 4 are built to latch from the outside AND the inside. The latches can be opened from either side. Does this suggest that the rooms were used for something other than killing people?

(34) Getting back to the issue of hemispherical grids covering the peepholes, it is said that the point of these grids was to prevent the inmates from breaking the glass of the peepholes and causing a gas leak. Yet the hemispherical grids attached to the peepholes on the doors of chambers 2, 3 and 4 are attached on the OUTSIDE of the doors. These grids wouldn't prevent someone INSIDE the room from breaking the glass...but they WOULD prevent someone OUTSIDE the room from doing so. Why are the grids not on the inside? Does this contradict with the statements by Pressac and the eyewitnesses regarding the need for grids in a homicidal gas chamber?

(35) The Majdanek camp is built on a hill. At the top of the hill is the camp crematorium. At the opposite end of the camp, at the bottom of the hill, is the "Bath and Disinfection" complex, which houses the gas chambers. From the Nazi's point of view, what was the wisdom in putting the gas chambers at the opposite end of the camp from the ovens, and at the bottom of the hill (after each gassing, the dead bodies would have to have been dragged up the hill, the length of the entire camp, to the ovens)?

(36) As the Nazis were preparing to abandon the Majdanek camp, they destroyed the crematorium building. Why were the gas chambers not similarly destroyed? Why would the Nazis leave their weapons of mass murder intact for the world to see? How hard would it have been for the Nazis to destroy the gas chambers, just like they did the crematorium building? At least, shouldn't the Nazis have filled in the Zyklon B induction holes, which serve as direct proofs of homicidal gassings? Either way, the destruction of the crematorium is clear proof that the Nazis had both the time and the ability to demolish buildings in the camp if they wanted to. Why were the gas chambers not demolished?

(37) In his book Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, Jean-Claude Pressac publishes a photo of the Majdanek gas chambers, with the caption "Photograph taken at the Majdanek concentration camp in June 1979, showing one of the disinfestation gas chambers thought to be a homicidal gas chamber." On page 555, he also has this to say about the Majdanek gas chambers: "I am sorry to say, and I am not the only one in the West, that the Majdanek homicidal and/or delousing gas chambers are still waiting for a true historian, which is mildly upsetting in view of the fact that the camp fell into the hands of the Russians intact in 1944." Do these comments suggest that the gas chambers at Majdanek may in fact have been disinfestation gas chambers? At least, don't these comments suggest that there has not yet been a thorough investigation into the purpose of these rooms?[2]

(38) To sum up the Majdanek gas chamber issue: If we take Pressac's comments and then factor in the doors that don't lock, the doors that open INTO the gas chamber, the doors with latches that can be manipulated from both the outside AND the inside, the window in gas chamber 1, the room inside gas chamber 1, the lack of any Zyklon B induction hole in gas chamber 3, the lack of any Zyklon B traces in gas chamber 2 (which DOES have a "Zyklon B induction hole"), the heavy blue stains on the OUTSIDE of the building, and the location of the building, at the bottom of a hill, at the opposite end of the camp from the crematorium, is it reasonable to suggest that these rooms were delousing chambers?


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Re: Majdanek

Postby cold beer » 5 days 15 hours ago (Sat May 23, 2020 1:47 am)

PrudentRegret wrote:
cold beer wrote:
PrudentRegret wrote:This one refers to Majdanek as well:

Thanks again.
I'm trying to relocate a film made by the Soviets at the liberation where they mention 50 acres of bones and ash in a nearby field.
They never showed it in the film, for obvious reasons.
I'm hoping someone has that video.


The video I edited into my previous post has what you are looking for. I did a transcript search and found the passage you are referencing at 07:24: https://youtu.be/lqFFYagEwYg?t=393

PrudentRegret wrote:Here's a starting point, where the 2 million claim is stated by the Soviet-Polish commission:

https://youtu.be/lqFFYagEwYg?t=296

In Majdanek, the German executioners killed roughly 2 million innocent people...


Thanks again, but when I follow the link it shows that the video is unavailable (apparently removed)

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Postby Waldgänger » 5 days 14 hours ago (Sat May 23, 2020 3:32 am)

PrudentRegret wrote:Here's a starting point, where the 2 million claim is stated by the Soviet-Polish commission:


PrudentRegret, I must say that this whole post of yours has astonished me. Thank you. Looking up a contemporary figure that scholars give for Majdanek dead (~80,000), and comparing it with these inflated figures of 1944, it also helps to solve an old question of mine: "If these missing X-million Jews were not gassed, where did they go?". In the case of Majdanek's 1.5 - 2 million, perhaps the answer is "they never existed in the first place". A big mind-opener.

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Postby borjastick » 5 days 13 hours ago (Sat May 23, 2020 4:05 am)

That old chestnut 'the fields were ten feet deep in ash and human bones'. They said this for Auschwitz, see the film on a recent post where the idiotic guide was salivating about the deaths and bones etc. The Ruskies said it for Majdanek and others have claimed the same for different places. Never do they show these remains and strangely odd is that the Ruskies could film all manner of parts of Auschwitz but never the cremains.
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Postby borjastick » 5 days 13 hours ago (Sat May 23, 2020 4:07 am)

Waldgänger wrote:
PrudentRegret wrote:Here's a starting point, where the 2 million claim is stated by the Soviet-Polish commission:


PrudentRegret, I must say that this whole post of yours has astonished me. Thank you. Looking up a contemporary figure that scholars give for Majdanek dead (~80,000), and comparing it with these inflated figures of 1944, it also helps to solve an old question of mine: "If these missing X-million Jews were not gassed, where did they go?". In the case of Majdanek's 1.5 - 2 million, perhaps the answer is "they never existed in the first place". A big mind-opener.


Your point is a valid one in that many people not so au fait with the holocaust lies assume there were indeed six million big noses who were 'disappeared' and thus if they weren't in the camps and killed by those horrid Nazis, where did they go.

The answer, which they don't like nor want to hear, is that there were never 6m jews in the system or anything close to that number.
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