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Re: Black people / Africans in the "Holocaust" / Rhineland Bastards

Postby Hektor » 1 week 2 days ago (Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:47 pm)

Lamprecht wrote:
Hektor wrote:In terms of nationality/citizenship people with Black ancestry would be viewed similarly to Jews. Simply as people that aren't Germans, but may live in the country.

Today or under the Third Reich? Because a lot of the "Blacks" were actually mulattos with partial German ancestry, as Germany did have colonies in Africa. They were not like Jews who were a separate nation altogether, a "people on the move" living a separate existence. There was no policy of mass immigration into Germany at the time like there is under Merkel.

The BRD reassigned citizenships withdrawn before 1945. I think they also tried revoking the ius sanguinis principle, but there wasn't even a debate over it.

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Re: Black people / Africans in the "Holocaust" / Rhineland Bastards

Postby christianbethel » 1 week 15 hours ago (Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:26 pm)

Can someone confirm the fact that the sterilizations of the Rhineland Bastards was not carried out by the NSDAP but by the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute? And that the term itself was invented during the Weimar Republic and not NS Germany? I also must ask the question of why only half of the children were sterilized when the NSDAP allegedly viewed them as inferior. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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Re: Black people / Africans in the "Holocaust" / Rhineland Bastards

Postby Lamprecht » 1 week 10 hours ago (Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:22 pm)

christianbethel wrote:Can someone confirm the fact that the sterilizations of the Rhineland Bastards was not carried out by the NSDAP but by the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute? And that the term itself was invented during the Weimar Republic and not NS Germany? I also must ask the question of why only half of the children were sterilized when the NSDAP allegedly viewed them as inferior. It just doesn't make sense to me.

As stated previously, calls for these children to be sterilized were made immediately after the First World War. There were fewer than 1,000 of these mixed-race children birthed from occupation troops. It was considered a national disgrace: not only did the Germans lose the war, but the 'Allies' allowed their colonial conscripts to rape and impregnate German women.

The Kaiser Wilhelm Institute was founded before Hitler came to power. The director, Eugen Fischer, did not join the NSDAP until 1940, which was after the sterilization of these children. As far back as 1913, Fischer wrote a book titled "The Rehoboth Bastards and the Problem of Miscegenation among Humans" (Die Rehobother Bastards und das Bastardierungsproblem beim Menschen). The "Rehoboth Bastards" were a biracial population in South Africa fathered by European men and African women.
This sort of thinking was common in the West at the time. Opposition to miscegenation persists in many cultures around the world to this day.

As for why "only half" were sterilized: First, we don't even know how many were sterilized, half is just an estimate. Second, it was something that had public support and people around the world wouldn't have thought such a thing to be egregious. Third, there were so few of these mulattoes in Germany and they stuck out like a sore thumb, there was no need for any NSDAP policy decision to be made.

Most states in the USA had mandatory sterilization laws around this period. The Germans also euthanized ethnic Germans in their euthanasia program:

Comparing real German euthanasia program to impossible "holocaust" narrative
viewtopic.php?t=11393

Here is an article showing that discussion of sterilizing these children preceded Hitler's rise to power:

Racist Hysteria to Pragmatic Rapprochement? The German Debate about Rhenish 'Occupation Children', 1920-30
https://www.jstor.org/stable/43299374

The reason it "doesn't make sense" is because the exterminationists are desperate to present Hitler's Germany as some cartoonish alternate universe where deranged super-racists went around sterilizing and killing people because they weren't "100% pure Aryans." It's hysterical nonsense propaganda. They're just trying to target Blacks and say "Hitler would have Holocausted you though!" They're grasping at straws.

The reality is that there were very few Blacks in Germany and so there were no policies made for them. I'm sure they were discriminated against to some degree, just as they were in the United States - but it was at the individual/social level, not imposed by the state. Yeah, Blacks weren't allowed to marry ethnic Germans (all non-Aryans were excluded from this). But how many of these sorts of marriages would have even happened if they were legally permitted?

Blacks in Germany just wasn't a concern to the NSDAP. A much higher number of Black Africans fought with the Third Reich to eradicate bolshevism than were ever sterilized by the NSDAP or any German institution. Compare that to the number of Blacks killed every year in the USA from abortion. I am sure you know all about how Blacks were treated in the USA in the 1920s and 30s.
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