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Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Dlw4456 » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:09 pm)

Im proud to say im a pretty good holohoax debater and I've made many of my friends revisionists, but I always have trouble summing up/remembering the full extent of the perpetrators of the holohoax lie and their goals in achieving it. could somebody help put together a good statement for when somebody asks me "Why?" the holohoax happened?

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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Dresden » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:18 pm)

Hello, Dlw, and welcome to the Forum.....Uhh.....nice Avatar you got there. :D

Dlw said:

"could somebody help put together a good statement for when somebody asks me "Why?" the holohoax happened?"

Try reading through this thread for some pointers:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7275&hilit=top+reasons

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question; it's not very clear.
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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Dresden » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:01 pm)

Ok, I think I understand your question, now.

Is the question: "Why was the Hoax perpetrated on the world?" ?

If that is the question that you are looking for answers to, then there are several answers.
You should be able to come up with some answers yourself, such as:

This is my opinion; I list them in descending order of importance:

1. To tar Germany and Hitler with a blood libel so there could never be a calm, rational analysis of Hitler's economic/cultural miracle.
So that Hitler's miracle wouldn't spread to other Nations.

That's why WWII was waged; without WWII, National Socialism would have become contagious in peace time....it would have been impossible to ignore; the whole world was in the Great Depression.

2. To gain world sympathy so "they" could steal Palestine to escape the "genocidal" Goyim.

3. For political and moral power over the racist White people.
To instill in White people guilt and shame.

4. For money, Submarines, Railroads....etc. ad infinitum.

5. As a shield from criticism(Oy vey.....it's anudda Holocaust already"); You're an anti-Semite!.....you're a Nazi!

I'm sure there are other reasons.
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby hermod » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:08 pm)

Hello Dlw. And welcome.

Roughly, the main reasons for the Holohoax were the usual vilification of an enemy during a war and the British "MacDonald White Paper" of May 1939.

The first reason can be defined as the essence of propaganda in modern wars, especially on the part of Western democracies.

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WW1 vastly demonsrated that.

viewtopic.php?t=8497

And the second reason requires some explanation. One has to know that Holohoax propaganda really started in November & December 1942, when Zionist leader Stephen S. Wise told the world of an alleged Hitler's order to murder all the Jews in Axis-Europe by the end of 1942 (see the Riegner telegram, etc.). In May 1939, soon after the failure of the St James Palace conference on Palestine, the British government promulgated a new Palestine policy in order to get rid of its "unworkable mandate" over Palestine within the following 10 years. That was the "MacDonald White Paper". The MDWP planned a Jewish immigration into Palestine of only 75,000 Jews during the first 5 years and no immigration at all without Arab consent during the last 5 years. And worse, the MDWP planned the establishment of a State of Palestine before its deadline. As 2 thirds of the people living in Palestine in those days were Arabs, such a state would have been an Arab-dominated country with the Jews of Palestine getting a permanent minority status, like everywhere else. That was a devastating blow for Zionism. The Zionists of that time were furious. They theatrically claimed that the British government wanted to petrify/cristallize the Yishuv and reduce it to a permanent "ghetto status", stating things such as "a ghetto is now contemplated where a homeland had been planned." Their work of the previous 5 decades was about to go to waste, as no serious Zionist had ever envisioned the upbuilding of another Jewish community living as a minority. The date of Zionism's complete death was henceforth known: March 31, 1949 at the latest. Under such circumstances, it's not difficult to understand that the Zionist clique was at war with the British government and its new Palestine policy. In October 1930, the British government had promulgated a quite similar Policy with its "Passfield White Paper", but the Zionists had compelled the British government to backpedal (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... dText.html) through the arousal of public opinion. In late 1942, seeing that the British government hadn't yet abrogated its MacDonald White Paper of May 1939, Zionist leaders realized that they had to come up with something big if they were to prevail at the end. Moreover, the American Council for Judaism - a group of anti-Zionist rabbis and wealthy Jews - was organizing during the second half of 1942 in order to counter the growing Zionist propaganda in America. Soon before the third organizational meeting of the American Council for Judaism, Zionist leader Stephen Wise held a press conference and told the world of Hitler's alleged extermination order for the first time. A few days later, Wise led a Jewish delegation to the White House in order to meet President Roosevelt and tell him of Hitler's alleged order and of the alleged 2 million Jews already murdered in Europe. A few more days later, 11 United Nations, including the "Big Three", issued a joint statement publicly condemning Hitler's alleged "policy of cold-blooded extermination." And by the end of December 1942, Wise was able to state that the establisment of the anti-Zionist American Council for Judaism at such a tragic moment "adds an element of heartlessness which future generations will neither forget nor forgive." The anti-Zionist resistance in America had indeed been crushed effectively in the span of a few weeks and it never emerged as a significant opposing power. Additional Zionist 'information' and regular democratic atrocity propaganda did the rest and the state of Israel was established by the victors of WW2 a couple of years after the end of the war as a compensation for the alleged genocidal martyrdom of European Jewry. The Holohoax atomized the MacDonald White Paper like a Jap nuked at Hiroshima. Hitler's alleged gas chambers finally showed the world how tragic Jewish national homelessness was. They gave the final impetus to the fulfillment of the Zionist project.

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And on the Soviet side, the Holohoax enabled the Bolshevik propagandists to depict the Soviet seizure of Eastern Europe as a liberation from the claws of savage bloodthirsty beasts rather than as what it was.

Also read this: http://codoh.com/library/document/1919/
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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Dlw4456 » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:55 pm)

Thanks for the quick responses Steve and Hermod, I appreciate it, also another question if you guys are up for it. Whenever people ask me "What about the people who testified about their time in the camps, and the codes on their arms?" I usually say "there are Jews who testified on their great experience there and swimming pools and luxuries etc." but I don't have an answer for the code on their arms, and I don't think its plausible that all who testified against Hitler are Zionists is it?
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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Hannover » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:26 pm)

Whenever people ask me "What about the people who testified about their time in the camps, and the codes on their arms?" I usually say "there are Jews who testified on their great experience there and swimming pools and luxuries etc." but I don't have an answer for the code on their arms, and I don't think its plausible that all who testified against Hitler are Zionists is it?
Tattoos are certainly not indicative of murder, after all, those showing their tatoos were / are very much alive. Recall that SS troops had tattoos with blood type, etc.

And why are there countless "survivors" if the Germans had an alleged 'policy to kill every Jew they could get their hands on'?
Why did most Jews at Auschwitz choose to retreat with the German SS rather than await the advancing Soviets?

Also recall that there were thousands upon thousands of people who testified to have witnessed witchcraft & sorcery in courts of law, witchcraft was accepted as fact worldwide by governments and great thinkers. Witchcraft & sorcery were 'common knowledge'.

And then a critical point is to always ask for specifics. Who said it? What exactly did they say? Is what they said scientifically possible? Look for contradictions which are everywhere in these 'testimonies'. Did they give testimonies in courts of law? If so were they cross examined? If so where can we find the verbatim cross examination? Typically True Believers will say 'oh look at all the 'eyewitnesses', etc. Don't fall for it, get specifics. Chances are those making such assertions have no idea of who said what. No matter how people many repeat impossible absurdities the impossible always remains impossible. Those making such statements are necessarily lying; suffering from wishful thinking, senility, dementia.

Are the testimonies backed up by millions of human remains that have been excavated, verified, & shown? No they're not. Not a single enormous mass grave as alleged (i.e.: Treblinka's alleged 900,000 buried Jews) has ever been opened, verified & shown. Not one. Why?

Ask the question of 'who benefits'? How much monetary compensation is at stake?
Ask who gains political power and unwarranted deferential treatment?

Were some of the people who made statements not Zionists? Of course. But what did they say? Were they looking for way to exonerate themselves in an environment where they could not practically defend themselves. Recall the post war trials where the prosecution was not bound by standard rules of jurisprudence. i.e.; the laughable 'gas chambers' were accepted as fact even though there were no forensic studies of them presented in the court. They were merely accepted as fact. Imagine trying to defend yourself in such a Show Trial environment. BTW, there was a detailed study presented at Nuremberg by the communists which claimed that Jews were steamed to death. Oops.

There's more, keep asking questions.

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Dlw4456 » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:39 pm)

Again, thanks for quick response Hannover, and I do have a few more questions, but heres another. Whats the story with Kristallnacht?
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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Hannover » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:14 pm)

Dlw4456 wrote:Again, thanks for quick response Hannover, and I do have a few more questions, but heres another. Whats the story with Kristallnacht?

Ah yes, more much ado about nothing.
see:
'Kristallnacht..greatest false flag ever?'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6190
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I never understood the big deal about Germans wanting to avenge the murder of a German diplomat by a Jew. While the reaction
(highly exaggerated by the Jewish dominated media as usual) was illegal, it's still understandable given the fact of the diplomat's murder by a Jew, and Jews' behavior in Germany in general.
Think of the reaction by blacks to the Rodney King beating which the Jewish supremacist dominated media painted as an understandable reaction.
Then there is apartheid Israel's reactions to harmless stone throwing by Palestinian youth ... houses demolished, orchards uprooted, beatings by insane Jewish fundamentalists, Israeli air force and army attacks on innocent victims of apartheid Jewish supremacist Israel. But hey, when the racist & violent Chosen Ones are involved everything is slanted in their favor by their controlled media.

For more questions perhaps you could start separate threads for each. We have it all covered here.

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Thames Darwin » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:16 pm)

Hannover wrote:it's still understandable given the fact of the diplomat's murder by a Jew


So you believe in collective punishment as a rule?

and Jews' behavior in Germany in general.


Such as?

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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Hannover » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:53 pm)

Thames Darwin wrote:
Hannover wrote:it's still understandable given the fact of the diplomat's murder by a Jew


So you believe in collective punishment as a rule?

and Jews' behavior in Germany in general.


Such as?

"Collective punishment"? Don't make me laugh. Shall we discuss the outrageous Versaille Treaty, the continued blockade of Germany long after WWI. The massive Allied civilian terror bombings which the Allies were first to introduce in spite of pleading by Hitler.
Is collective punishment ever justified by anyone? I generally say no, but the German's reactions to the murder of Vom Rath, in context, given the atrocities of Versaille, Weimar skullduggery by Jews, it is understandable as overstated as the Zionist dominated media makes it.
Kristallnacht was small potatoes given 'Judea's Declaration of War on Germany'.

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Cheers, Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

The tide is turning.
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Kingfisher » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:54 am)

Thames Darwin wrote:
Hannover wrote:it's still understandable given the fact of the diplomat's murder by a Jew


So you believe in collective punishment as a rule?

Hannover said "understandable, he didn't say "justifiable". The examples he quoted indirectly, Rodney King and Israeli reaction to stone throwing I doubt he would consider justifiable.

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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Hektor » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:30 am)

Kingfisher wrote:
Thames Darwin wrote:
Hannover wrote:it's still understandable given the fact of the diplomat's murder by a Jew


So you believe in collective punishment as a rule?

Hannover said "understandable, he didn't say "justifiable". The examples he quoted indirectly, Rodney King and Israeli reaction to stone throwing I doubt he would consider justifiable.

Yes, one needs some comprehensive reading skills and ability to understand nuances in the wording correctly. Understanding doesn't mean Justifying.

Most Germans including National Socialists found the riots rather embarrassing. There wasn't really a sense of revenge against the Jews for past and present injustices among most people. But it wasn't a "government sponsored atrocity" as it is portrayed in some history books.

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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby hermod » 4 years 3 weeks ago (Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:48 am)

Thames Darwin wrote:
Hannover wrote:it's still understandable given the fact of the diplomat's murder by a Jew


So you believe in collective punishment as a rule?


In those days, Black people were often lynched in America for individuals' misdeeds, but nobody claims today that the United States used to inflict collective punishments despite that. And unlike Jewry toward Germany in the 1930's, no Black people had ever started a worldwide boycott on American goods. Kristallnacht was public anger expressed violently, a popular fury fueled by foreign Zionist agitators.

Whatever, Kristallnacht was a godsend to the Zionists, at that time busy pleading their case before the British government "in light of synagogue bonfires."

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Dlw4456 wrote:I don't think its plausible that all who testified against Hitler are Zionists is it?


Not all of them. But the Zionist grip over the Nuremberg 'trials' was very strong. Worried by a possible anti-Semitic backlash, Thomas Dodd, second in command on the American prosecution team at the Nuremberg 'trials', wrote that "this staff is about seventy-five percent Jewish" and the huge Zionist prevalence in America's Jewry was no secret. Robert Jackson himself, the US chief prosecutor at Nuremberg, didn't try to conceal his Zionist 'sympathies' (viewtopic.php?t=8927). Moreover Zionists administered the D.P. camps (i.e. the places where numerous Jewish witnesses were housed).
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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Morrison » 4 years 2 weeks ago (Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:30 pm)

Dlw4456:

Im proud to say im a pretty good holohoax debater and I've made many of my friends revisionists


Dlw4456, would you please expound on how you were able to make many of your friends revisionists? I envy your success and I would like to make many of my friends revisionists too.

Also, where did you learn how to be such a good holohoax debater? I would like to see some examples of your skills - If you don't mind sharing.

Thanks much.

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Re: Gains of the Holocaust Lie

Postby Dlw4456 » 4 years 2 weeks ago (Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:12 pm)

Morrison wrote:Dlw4456:

Im proud to say im a pretty good holohoax debater and I've made many of my friends revisionists


Dlw4456, would you please expound on how you were able to make many of your friends revisionists? I envy your success and I would like to make many of my friends revisionists too.

Also, where did you learn how to be such a good holohoax debater? I would like to see some examples of your skills - If you don't mind sharing.

Thanks much.


Well usually whenever I tell them i'm a revisionist I start by telling them what I believe really happened (Jews were being relocated during the war to Israel in a NSDAP Funded program and when war was brought on Germany they had to put it on hold, keep the Jews in nice camps until after the war to finish the program. only, the Germans began losing and thus their capabilities to stop outbreaks were severely limited and a typhus outbreak killed 200-230K Jewish inmates and thus the holocaust Lie), then if they haven't already asked some questions along the way I tell them how it was scientifically and mathematically impossible and how not 1 body has been found of gas poisoning etc.

I guess the trick is to bring it onto them slow and show them your point of view so they become intrigued and don't go into oy vey mode. I'm no holocaust expert like the others here but I know enough to usually change someones mind.
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