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Jane Haining, Scottish martyr of the holocaust

Postby EtienneSC » 3 years 8 months ago (Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:04 am)

The Church of Scotland missionary, Jane Haining (1897-1944) died in Auschwitz. On 13 January 2016, the UK Secretary of State for Education Nicky Morgan stated that she was "killed in a gas chamber".
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/nicky-morgan-introduces-holocaust-education-trust-lecture

This is contradicted by a BBC report from November 2014 that cites her death certificate, which gives the cause of death as "cachexia following intestinal catarrh":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30119673
However, in an earlier report from 2010, the BBC stated that she was gassed to death:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/mobile/scotland/south_of_scotland/8556207.stm
It states that she was prisoner 79467.

She was named as "Righteous among the Nations" by Yad Vashem in 1997. Yad Vashem states that she "succumbed to starvation and the terrible conditions in the camp":
http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/righteous/stories/haining.asp
This may be consistent with the cause of death in the death certificate, as "cachexia" is defined as "weakness and wasting of the body due to severe chronic illness". There are some surviving letters from her to the UK. At a guess, I'd say they don't mention gas chambers, as if they did so, they might be better known.

I record these facts in case anyone wishes to use this board to search for information.

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Re: Jane Haining, Scottish martyr of the holocaust

Postby EtienneSC » 3 years 8 months ago (Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:00 am)

EtienneSC wrote:The Church of Scotland missionary, Jane Haining (1897-1944) died in Auschwitz.

There is apparently a book by Charles Walker, Legacy of Scots: Scottish Achievers (Mainstream, 1988) with information on Jane Haining. According to the Scotsman newspaper:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/time-to-honour-jane-haining-scotland-s-schindler-1-755775
this book claims that, contrary to the primary records: "Miss Haining was probably gassed along with a batch of Hungarian women on 16 August, 1944". The article does not state what Walker's claim is based on.

There is also a Hungarian film:

http://www.janehainingfilm.hu/
It seems to have no further information on the circumstances of her death.

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Re: Jane Haining, Scottish martyr of the holocaust

Postby Hannover » 3 years 8 months ago (Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:45 pm)

... contrary to the primary records: "Miss Haining was probably gassed along with a batch of Hungarian women on 16 August, 1944"

So, there you go. Forget all about "primary records". This is the 'holocaust' Industry where facts, logic, science, rational thought & primary records are irrelevant.

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Re: Jane Haining, Scottish martyr of the holocaust

Postby EtienneSC » 3 years 8 months ago (Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:19 pm)

Hannover wrote:
... contrary to the primary records:

According to Yad Vashem (cited above), she "died, probably on July 17, 1944". That is almost a month earlier than claimed by Walker, who apparently said 16 August 1944. There seems to be an image of a document including the prisoner number in the documentary. It may be a death certificate.

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Re: Jane Haining, Scottish martyr of the holocaust

Postby Hannover » 3 years 8 months ago (Mon Jan 25, 2016 7:08 pm)

EtienneSC wrote:According to Yad Vashem (cited above), she "died, probably on July 17, 1944". That is almost a month earlier than claimed by Walker, who apparently said 16 August 1944. There seems to be an image of a document including the prisoner number in the documentary. It may be a death certificate.

A "death certificate". If she had been gassed I seriously doubt the SS would have issued a certificate of death. So IOW, she died of natural causes and a certificate was issued.
Vad Yashem tells us:
Eight charges were laid against her, including working among Jews, visiting British prisoners of war and listening to the BBC. Haining was deported to Auschwitz where she became prisoner number 79467 and was forced into hard labor. Her last message to friends was a postcard asking for food. She ended her letter with the words: “There is not much to report here on the way to heaven.”

Haining succumbed to starvation and the terrible conditions in the camp and died, probably on July 17, 1944. She was 47 years old.
IOW, she was more than likely arrested for assisting Jewish partisans/saboteurs: aka: non-uniformed terrorists who were illegal under the Geneva Convention and such saboteurs were arrested & shot by the Allies as well, yes the BBC was banned as were German broadcasts into Allied areas, as was assisting POWS just like in the Allied countries.

So now she died of "starvation". The ever changing & contradictory problems are everywhere. Why were there thousands upon thousands of unmolested Jews, who chose not to retreat with the SS when the Soviets arrived, not starved to death or murdered at Auschwitz? BTW, most Jews by far, after given a choice, chose to retreat with SS. Ah.
We had already known that those in Auschwitz were able to send postcards, examples here:

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Search for Auschwitz postcards in Google and see many more.

Quite the 'extermination camp' that was. :roll:

How does Yad Vashem know she "was forced into hard labor"?
If she really wrote "There is not much to report here on the way to heaven.” it means there was no censorship of the postcards and letters. We rather doubt that given the nonsense said of Auschwitz that the SS would have let such a message pass through ... if the impossible claims were factual. That is, IF her postcard actually said what Yad Vashem, a highly unreliable source for just about anything, claims that it said. I guess we must to see this postcard to really know. Will we ever see it? Not a chance.

Ever changing & contradictory problems are everywhere within the 'holocaust' storyline.

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Re: Jane Haining, Scottish martyr of the holocaust

Postby Atigun » 3 years 8 months ago (Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:14 am)

But...but...but Hannover, what about the BIG picture? I am constantly told that I shouldn't pay any attention to minor inconsistencies and "anomalies." After all, it was wartime and such details were certain to become confused. That's usually followed by, "How can you question the tons of evidence that proves that it really, really happened." Yes, I'm being a bit facetious but, "Don't pay any attention to the lies and watch 'Swindler's List" does seem to be the core of the exterminationist's argument.

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Re: Jane Haining, Scottish martyr of the holocaust

Postby Review » 3 years 8 months ago (Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:26 pm)

Atigun wrote:But...but...but Hannover, what about the BIG picture? I am constantly told that I shouldn't pay any attention to minor inconsistencies and "anomalies." After all, it was wartime and such details were certain to become confused.


The reason they say that, is because liars can't keep the (physical) DETAILS consistent & right. It's basic psychology of a telling lies, I remember reading. If you're making up a story as you go, there will be loads of inconsistencies.

With the "big picture" narrative it's much easier, you can use all sorts of emotional arguments and sweeping generalisations.

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Re: Jane Haining, Scottish martyr of the holocaust

Postby Horhug » 3 years 8 months ago (Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:31 am)

If Jane Haining is reported to have died at Auschwitz in 1944 then there will be no Sterbebucher ( Death Book ) record of her death at the Auschwitz State Museum.

According to the official narrative in Death Books from Auschwitz, Volume 1, p.17 we read :



"The [ death certificate ] documentation is based on the original records kept by the SS authorities of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp and death camp.

It contains entries for the death dates of Auschwitz prisoners from July 27, 1941, to December 31, 1943.



So, according to the Auschwitz State Museum, the surviving Sterbebucher records only contain details of c. 69,000 certified deaths at Auschwitz for that 888 day period. Yes really. Precisely 888 days.

That's not to say that death certificates were not issued for anyone who died at Auschwitz outside of this period.

Page 17 continues :


The "death books" ( Sterbebucher ) were kept inby the registry set up within the Political Depatment ( the camp Gestapo ).

From January 1, 1943, Registry Office II, Auschwitz ( Standesamt II Auschwitz ), as it was offiicially called, was "independent."

It recorded all changes related to civil matters in the camp's 40 square kilometer "zone of interest".



So, according to the narrative, deaths continued to be certified at Auschwitz by the Civil Registry, so Jane Haining's death, would probably have been certified if not recorded elsewhere among the disparate records of other camp departments.

The Auschwitz State Museum's Auschwitz Prisoner search facility shows no results for the family name Haining.

Other female death results are searchable, as are the 11,146 names listed in the Appendix of Death Books volume 3, which were compiled from the other, non Sterbebucher sources.

So, for example we can find a 1944 death appearing in the Appendix which was not certified in the Sterbebuchen.

So many surviving Auschwitz Jewish Secretaries ...

Be careful when assuming that alleged deaths in the mythical "homicidal gas chambers" would not be certified.

According to the narrative, which relies on such erudite sources as "Irene Frenkel" in "Lore Shelley's : Secretaries of Death" and the "Jenny Spritzer", book, "Ich War Nr: 10291" and "supported" by the "typed sheets of evidence" at the Nuremberg Kangaroo Military Tribunals, it was only the alleged Jewish dead that went uncertified from February 1943 .

The narative states that only Jewish deaths would be collated into a simple list instead of being issued a Death Certificate.

When exceptions to this alleged directive are pointed out to the hoaxers, up pops yet another justification for the anomaly, claiming that they must have been either, sent to the camp by the Gestapo, Kripo or other police departments, were notable Jews or related to notable Jews or had Aryan spouses etc. etc.

Thereby further solidifying the "whack-a-mole Holocaust narrative" and preserving the "Sonderbehandlung" meme, even in the afterlife ...

Whilst not forgetting the alleged c. 900,000 "Auschwitz invisiblaros" whom we are told, were completely unregistered and went straight to their deaths in the mythical homicidal gas chambers ...

As for the Hungarian Jews, the narrative also states that over 400,000 were murdered at Auschwitz in just seventy days ...

Which, imo, is simply not credible.

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Re: Jane Haining, Scottish martyr of the holocaust

Postby EtienneSC » 6 months 1 week ago (Sun Apr 07, 2019 8:11 am)

Since I last wrote, there have been a couple of books on Jane Haining. One is From Matron to Martyr (Zaccmedia, 2017) by Lynley Smith.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Matron-Martyr-Hainings-Ultimate-Sacrifice/dp/1911211358/
The blurb states:
After finding a tenuous family connection to the mysterious and captivating Jane Haining, Lynley Smith crafted Jane’s fictionalized diary...
It would seem then, that this is a work of imagination rather than history, though there may be some historical basis for it.
The second is Jane Haining: A Life of Love and Courage (Birlinn, 2019) by Mary Miller.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jane-Haining-Life-Love-Courage/dp/1780275757/
This is not yet released, but seems to be more historical and document-based. In a photograph published with publicity for the book, Haining and her charges seem to be either waving or giving the famous salute of the time:
JaneHaining.jpg

The book is currently being promoted by elements in the Church of Scotland, with several press articles appearing in Scottish newspapers. The press report states that at the time (1939), Church officials advised her against her course of action. I will try to review Miller's book when it finally appears. If I forget, please feel free to remind me.


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