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Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Thames Darwin » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:16 pm)

I have suggested that, if the Aktion Reinhard camps were "transit camps," then perhaps revisionists might be able to locate 1% of the Jews known to have been sent to these camps. That would be around 17,000 Jews.

Let me be clear what I'm asking. I'm asking for the identifies of 17,000 Jews who were known to have been sent to a Reinhard camp who turned up alive somewhere else after the war.

That's a measly one percent. Is it really too much to ask?

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Hannover » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:32 pm)

No problem, they went to Palestine / 'Israel'. There is no argument that Jews by the boatload went to Palestine where they are engaging in genocide and ethnic cleansing.

See claimed population stats for 'Israel:
'Demographics of Israel: Population of Israel/Palestine (1553 - Present)'
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... ahics.html

Now if you can actually show us a verified excavated mass grave with "17,000 Jews" (there are many alleged mass graves of this size & larger that are supposedly known) then we would have something to talk about.

Much too easy.

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Atigun » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:37 pm)

Here ya' go, Thames. I don't know how many thousands left Treblinka with these deportees but they do speak of trainloads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYm4lLbLf8
The entire video is also available. Don't forget, these are film clips from the USC Shoah Foundation archive and were taken from film shot by Stephen Spielberg.

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Thames Darwin » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:38 pm)

Atigun wrote:Here ya' go, Thames. I don't know how many thousands left Treblinka with these deportees but they do speak of trainloads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYm4lLbLf8
The entire video is also available. Don't forget, these are film clips from the USC Shoah Foundation archive and were taken from film shot by Stephen Spielberg.


There are not 17,000 Jews in that video.

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Ave et Finlandia » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:53 pm)

Thames Darwin wrote:
Atigun wrote:Here ya' go, Thames. I don't know how many thousands left Treblinka with these deportees but they do speak of trainloads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYm4lLbLf8
The entire video is also available. Don't forget, these are film clips from the USC Shoah Foundation archive and were taken from film shot by Stephen Spielberg.


There are not 17,000 Jews in that video.



There is not even one verified massgrave in Treblinka, not even one with only 17 000 jews, or can you show us Treblinka massgraves?

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Atigun » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:24 pm)

Thames Darwin wrote:
Atigun wrote:Here ya' go, Thames. I don't know how many thousands left Treblinka with these deportees but they do speak of trainloads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYm4lLbLf8
The entire video is also available. Don't forget, these are film clips from the USC Shoah Foundation archive and were taken from film shot by Stephen Spielberg.


There are not 17,000 Jews in that video.


I didn't say that there were, Thames. However, the witnesses in the video testified that they left Treblinka with thousands of other deportees. One witness mentions trainloads. The official narrative is that NOBODY left Treblinka alive excepting fewer than 100 who escaped after the camp revolt. Actually 67 escapees if memory serves.

Now, Thames, since there is credible testimony that Treblinka and by inference the other AR camps were transit camps, show us the locations of at least some of the alleged giant mass graves. GPR scans with verified professional analysis will do quite nicely, thank you. Actual evidence is required for you to claim a historical narrative. Stamping your feet and shrieking, "Did too, did too," simply won't do.

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Lohengrin » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:44 pm)

Thames Darwin, you only have to take a look in the completely Soviet-stolen German administration: Millions AND MILLIONS of authentic German documents were seized by the communists after the War and vanished in Secret Archives in Moscow, Podolsk and/or were destroyed and the Devil knows what else.
What do you say, Thames? You can't seen them in those Soviet Archives? Well, we (and the Court historians) neither. Why do you think the communists destroyed/hide millions and millions of these very very important and unveiling documents?

Jewish historian Raul Hilberg himself said shortly before he died, not without reason: "We only know about 20% of "the Holocaust, especially what happens in the Soviet-Union".

Simple, isn't it? The Russian communists always liked simple "solutions". As Stalin used to say: "No man, no Problem". No document(s) no Problems too.

And, moreover, your "1%" of prisoners transferred from AR camps to other designations can surely be given and more, I assure you.

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Thames Darwin » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:01 pm)

Those archives have been open for 25 years. Try to keep up, please.

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Hektor » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:24 pm)

Thames Darwin wrote:Those archives have been open for 25 years. Try to keep up, please.


And what has been published from those archives is the complete picture?

If yes, I'm sure you can provide us all the apparently missing details on the Holocaust as per common definition.

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Lohengrin » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:39 pm)

Thames Darwin wrote:
Those archives have been open for 25 years. Try to keep up, please.

Nonsense! So Hilberg was lying?! Those archives were very very selective "opened" only 45 years after the War, when communism fell. Most "documents" shown are "proceedings" of communist Kangeroo Courts, bloody lying/falsified "Reports" of the “Extraordinary State Commission for Investigation of Fascist Crimes” and other KGB rubbish.
No documents of "gassings" and/or other documents about a 'gassing" process, etc. No information about persons and destinations of trains which departed from "liberated" Auschwitz and AR camps (only arrivals!), no information about German camps on Soviet territory. Not even 0.0001 % of those millions of original documents.
And you can be sure there were (are)!!

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Atigun » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:43 pm)

So, Thames, given the availability of the various types of high tech geophysical gear such as GPR, why is it too much to ask for evidence of the giant mass graves as various alleged eyewitnesses have testified existed at Treblinka for example? Researchers have mapped the underground features of 3,000 acres surrounding Stonehenge so why can't that be done for the 30 acres or so that make up the Treblinka site? The Belzec site? Why do you demand such irrelevancies as testimony that people transited through the AR camps when definite proof of whether or not the camps functioned as extermination facilities is so readily at hand?

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby hermod » 3 years 6 months ago (Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:26 pm)

This is the usual reverse burden of proof of Holohoaxsters. What kind of judge in this world would require that a defender on trial for murder proves his victim(s) is (are) still alive if the plaintiff failed to prove that (those) victim(s) is (are) indeed dead? No 'normal' court would even start a trial for murder under such circumstances.

Meanwhile, still no news of any response to the N.A.F.H. challenge - offering a reward for proving just 1 / 1,000 of 1% of the fraudulently alleged buried remains claims about the Reinhardt camps - from a Holohoaxster or another...
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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby borjastick » 3 years 6 months ago (Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:25 am)

Thames Darwin wrote:I have suggested that, if the Aktion Reinhard camps were "transit camps," then perhaps revisionists might be able to locate 1% of the Jews known to have been sent to these camps. That would be around 17,000 Jews.

Let me be clear what I'm asking. I'm asking for the identifies of 17,000 Jews who were known to have been sent to a Reinhard camp who turned up alive somewhere else after the war.

That's a measly one percent. Is it really too much to ask?


Oh what a tangled web we weave...

Try this Kylie song for a description of what you are doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1DWBKk5xHQ
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

'We don't need evidence, we have survivors' - israeli politician

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby neugierig » 3 years 6 months ago (Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:09 pm)

Re. the opening of Russian archives, not so. The Russian historian, Marina Sorokina, tells us:

Without question, however, the most complete set of documentary materials revealing the true history of the creation and activities of the ChGK can be found neither in GARF nor in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but rather in the still restricted Presidential Archive (Kritika, Slavica Publishers, Indiana University, Volume 6, Fall 2005, p.803)

Now even though this is about the sham ‘investigations’ undertaken by the Soviet Extraordinary State Commission, it shows that access to certain archives is still restricted, if not outright verboten. No better re. the west. Hundreds of tons of material was confiscated, and we have no idea what is still hidden. Friedrich Georg provides information about a “German Documents Conference” (October 1945). The conference document states (I'm too dumb to post it):

CONFIDENTIAL
The lack of qualified personnel and changes in location and requirements of using agencies calls for the re-examination of present document distribution procedures. This shortage of personnel, which detailed listing and studying of documents, has also affected the using agencies. While formerly it was possible for the using agencies to take out large collections of documents on loan, in order to determine and locate papers of interest, it is no longer possible for many of these agencies to do this without withdrawing documents from circulation for considerable periods of time. Consideration must be given to possible methods of pre-screening of collections, which would permit a more rapid circulation among using agencies.

It is also necessary for this conference to consider the overall problem of the denial of certain archives, records, and papers to the Germans. Serious consideration must be given to plans where the organized destructions of papers which posses no value for the allies and which must be denied to the Germans. We must be cognizant at all times of the final disposition of documents required for study in Germany which must not be permitted to fall into German hands after the departure of occupation forces. In connection with this we wish to explain a Group C.C., USFET in War Department act on in asking for the complete withdrawal from quadripartite consideration of a proposed directive for the handling of captured documents. This directive which was based on the suggestion of certain British archivists would have “frozen“ most documents “in situ” and seriously delayed the program of final clean up in Germany. In asking for the withdrawal the American member of there Council was requested to state that the American Government was reconsidering the question and proposed to submit another paper at some future date. The question was then coordinated with the War Department and they were asked to prepare a draft of State, War, Navy
Coordinating Committee views of documents which should be destroyed, or to which the Germans were to be denied all future access. This paper, which is to be incorporated into theatre views is to be submitted into quadripartite action.

All consideration for changes in standard operating procedures must nevertheless bear in mind American responsibility for implementation of existing Anglo-American agreements and quadripartite commitments which must be complied with at all times (Verrat in der Normandie, p.17. Source: Report: German Documents Conference, RG 40, Entry 75, Box 62, p.5)


It is therefore irrational, and I am being polite, to try and make a case based on documents selected to ‘substantiate’ the victor’s version of events. This includes the foolish “Well, where are they then?” question, a declaration of bankruptcy in any case, an admittance that a solid case for mass murder can not be made.

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Re: Is 1% too much to ask?

Postby Morrison » 3 years 6 months ago (Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:35 pm)

Thames Darwin:

...if the Aktion Reinhard camps were "transit camps," then perhaps revisionists might be able to locate 1% of the Jews known to have been sent to these camps. That would be around 17,000 Jews.


First off Thames, if it really is "known" that 1.7 million jews actually set foot in the Aktion Reinhard (sic) camps, then let's see you prove it.

Second, can you prove just 1 / 1,000 of 1% of the alleged buried remains claims for these camps?



hermod:

Meanwhile, still no news of any response to the N.A.F.H. challenge - offering a reward for proving just 1 / 1,000 of 1% of the fraudulently alleged buried remains claims about the Reinhardt camps - from a Holohoaxster or another...


Maybe Thames will be the first holohoaxer to accept the challenge?

Is 1 / 1,000 of 1% too much to ask?


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