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Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby Idon'tknow » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:30 pm)

It seems that nobody debunked that so far here (I hope I am wrong though). On a side note, I remember reading a chart about the deaths in Conc. camps added together to yield 6 million deaths(Wikipedia) . The funny thing is that you can't really find that chart anymore since now they claim that not all the alleged victims died at camps. Alot were killed at alleged massacres like Babi Yar.



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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby Moderator » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:49 pm)

Babi Yar has been discussed at length here, Babi Yar search = 581 results.

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Babi Yar 'massacre' debunked
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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby Hannover » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:31 pm)

Idon'tknow wrote:It seems that nobody debunked that so far here (I hope I am wrong though). On a side note, I remember reading a chart about the deaths in Conc. camps added together to yield 6 million deaths(Wikipedia) . The funny thing is that you can't really find that chart anymore since now they claim that not all the alleged victims died at camps. Alot were killed at alleged massacres like Babi Yar.

In short, the tale of Babi Yar is bogus. There was no massacre. If there was proof we'd be seeing it.

"Alot were killed at alleged massacres like Babi Yar."

What other alleged massacres are you referring to?

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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby WarpSoldier » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:00 pm)

Don't they have the bullets, though? Modern ballistics technology would make it simple enough. What's the scoop I've missed?

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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby Hannover » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:00 pm)

WarpSoldier wrote:Don't they have the bullets, though? Modern ballistics technology would make it simple enough. What's the scoop I've missed?

There are no bullets, no mass grave, no human remains, nothing seen on aerial photos at the time of alleged actions, nothing at all. Just more Zionist propaganda, that we do have

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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby Werd » 2 years 7 months ago (Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:58 pm)

Shell casings don't prove much either.

The mere fact that, apparently, spent German cartridges are to be found in the vicinity of the supposed location of a supposed mass grave proves nothing. Who’s going to prove to us that those cartridges were found at that spot? And isn’t the land of Russia and the Ukraine littered all over with used bullets from the German, Soviet and other armies’ weapons? Actually, it has been proved by real investigations, diggings and forensic studies that the 4,410 Polish officers duly ascertained to have been executed, with a bullet to the back of the head, by the Soviets in Katyn forest in 1940 were all killed with bullets supplied by the German war industry to the Soviet Union within the framework of the Germano-Soviet pact. Have there not, these last few years in Russia and the Ukraine, been uncovered a number of common graves which, after scientific examination, all prove to contain victims of the Tcheka, the NKVD and the NKGB, except for a few containing the remains of men of Napoleon’s army, the study of which, nearly two centuries after their burial, has established that they died of typhus?

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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby Breker » 2 years 7 months ago (Sun Mar 20, 2016 12:52 am)

Yes, we could check to see if the alleged 'geysers of blood at Babi Yar' are still gushing as was actually reported to have continued for weeks.
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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby Idon'tknow » 2 years 7 months ago (Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:02 am)

Hannover, there are many alleged massacres by the National Socialists. E.g. Khatyn (not Katyn) massacre and many more. Google: Nazi Massacres

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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby Hannover » 2 years 7 months ago (Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:02 am)

Idon'tknow wrote:Hannover, there are many alleged massacres by the National Socialists. E.g. Khatyn (not Katyn) massacre and many more. Google: Nazi Massacres

Oh really?
Is that why there is no proof of those "massacres", including Babi Yar? Sort of like the nonexistent German gas chambers.
Zionist / Israeli lies & propaganda are cheap and so easily debunked.

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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby borjastick » 2 years 7 months ago (Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:09 am)

Idon'tknow wrote:Hannover, there are many alleged massacres by the National Socialists. E.g. Khatyn (not Katyn) massacre and many more. Google: Nazi Massacres


khatyn, really?? Never heard of it until you mentioned it. A quick google search shows this page, excerpt here;
Khatyn” means two things. It was the name of one of the hundreds of villages in wartime Soviet Belarus where the German occupiers exterminated the entire population. Situated on the route of German advance towards and retreat from Moscow, and abounding in forests and swamps, Belarus saw the most intense partisan and anti-partisan campaigns of the war. German policy was to hold entire communities responsible for Soviet partisan attacks. In addition to the 300,000 or so Belarusians, like the inhabitants of Khatyn, killed in such “reprisals”, the Germans shot about half a million Belarusian Jews and starved about 700,000 Soviet prisoners of war on Belarusian territory. They took livestock (and sometimes men as labourers) back to Germany. Between 1941 and 1945, during the German–Soviet war, half the population of Soviet Belarus was either killed or deported. Belarus was more lethally touched by the war than any other place on earth.


I'd like to see some evidence of these sweeping claims of these 1.5m killed.

Notice the article is by a Mr Snyder and the book by one Adamovich. Both seem to be of the usual ethnic background and thus question marks should be obvious.
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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby Hektor » 2 years 7 months ago (Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:04 pm)

Idon'tknow wrote:Hannover, there are many alleged massacres by the National Socialists. E.g. Khatyn (not Katyn) massacre and many more. Google: Nazi Massacres



Ok, if one just is persistent with making allegations and repeats them often enough, then there must be some truth to it, right?

Mate, this is how propaganda works.

Science works with empirical facts. That also applies to historical science.

Although it seems that the gov. funded historians don't care too much about this. It appears they think they can decide "historical truth" by "consensus", after that they fit the picture to the "ruling expert opinion". Who disagrees isn't a "serious historian" and "falls from grace" - Now that's kind of who the Catholic Church used to work declaring those that disagree to be heretical. And I think that shows some social psychological mechanisms at work. You know, the stuff with in-group out-group, group-think, totalism and the like.

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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby Mortimer » 2 years 7 months ago (Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:16 pm)

Has anyone seen the Steven Spielberg promoted documentary on Babi Yar called Spell Your Name ? -
viewtopic.php?t=3753
Maybe Eric Hunt can make a documentary on this and demolish it in the same way he did The Last Days with his Last Days of the Big Lie ? -
http://www.codoh.com/library/document/3869/
Here is the article by Herbert Tiedemann from Dissecting The Holocaust entitled Babi Yar : Critical Questions and Comments -
http://www.codoh.com/library/document/920/
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Re: Is the massacre at Babi Yar real?

Postby Hektor » 1 week 2 days ago (Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:37 am)

Hannover wrote:
Idon'tknow wrote:Hannover, there are many alleged massacres by the National Socialists. E.g. Khatyn (not Katyn) massacre and many more. Google: Nazi Massacres

Oh really?
Is that why there is no proof of those "massacres", including Babi Yar? Sort of like the nonexistent German gas chambers.
Zionist / Israeli lies & propaganda are cheap and so easily debunked.

I can Google alchemy, werewolves, witchcraft, The Hulk, and Superman too. :lol:
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OK, I searched for Khatyn (not Katyn) Here is what I yielded:

But Belorussians did not put up with fascist occupation. First partisan detachments gained the rear of the enemy already in June and July of 1941. They showed courage and heroism, they spared neither effort nor their own life. They crushed the enemy with stubborn and obstinate resistence. By November 1942 partisan movement became widely spread in Belorussia. By 1943 partisans already started to dislodge occupants not only from separate villages, but also from certain territories of Belorussia. 60% of the territory was under partisan control. Partisans saved many thousands of peaceful citizens from annihilation and slavery. Partisan actions threatened German defense on the eastern front, it badly affected fascist soldier supply, it distracted the attention of Wehrmacht.

Punitive detachments were ordered to combat partisans. These detachments consisted of those who betrayed the Motherland, joined the enemy armed forces and candidly cooperated with fascists. They were bribed, they were promised priviliges and welfare, but fortunately there was just a small number of them in comparison with those who put their lives under threat and helped partisans. Partisans were fought against very severely. The most ruthless orders were given by high command regarding partisan movement. However, very often these orders were never fulfilled and it was a failure for fascists. Therefore they had to burn down entire villages together with all their inhabitants to show that they "make progress". The destruction of the village of Khatyn is a tragic and vivid example. The village was annihilated by the thugs from the 118th police battalion which was stationed in a small town of Pleschinitsy and the thugs from the SS battalion "Dirlewanger" which was stationed in Logoisk.

During the Great Patriotic War fascists burned down 21 villages together with all the inhabitants in Logoisk region. After the war, only 11 of them were restored. 10 others remained forever in ashes.

Fascists outraged in Belourussia during the three years of occupation.....
http://www.khatyn.by/en/genocide/expeditions/


Now this is some real Stalinist jargon they are using, lingo that should be easily spotted. But don't think that the Western type of historiographers are much better. Their language is toned down and their formal skills are better, but content and intent are the same.

Camps at Osaritchi came into media attention more recently. It seems to be a camp for civilians established by the Germans to prevent them to join their retreat. Now let that sink in for a while.

Here is an example for the propaganda movies they're producing:


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