New Documentary - Questioning the Holocaust : Why We Believed (Part1 of 2)

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Re: New Documentary - Questioning the Holocaust : Why We Believed (Part1 of 2)

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 1 year 11 months ago (Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:25 pm)

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Dec 12, 2016 at 2:39am

Saw this photograph in a museum in Eastern Europe. Trying to trace its origin. The subject is my current research focus. Where did the Jews unable to work and alleged gassed go? Image says in Russian this is a transit camp. But are these Slavs, Germans, Jews? Cropped reverse image search doesn't help much. Guess they think posting a sad photo is enough to blame the Germans...Thanks everyone for donating...still researching behind the scenes...


Staged photograph of Russian children at a formerly Finnish-run transfer camp in Petrozavodsk; photo taken by photographer Galina Sanko on 29 June 1944, one day after the Finns had left the area. The sign reads, in Finnish and Russian: "Transfer camp. Entry to the camp and socializing through the fence are forbidden, violators will be shot."

Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
- Prof. Noah Charney

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Re: New Documentary - Questioning the Holocaust : Why We Believed (Part1 of 2)

Postby cold beer » 1 year 11 months ago (Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:40 pm)

A viewer would be hard pressed to distinguish that photo from an Auschwitz liberation photo.
In both cases we see well fed children in what appears to be good health.

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Re: New Documentary - Questioning the Holocaust : Why We Believed (Part1 of 2)

Postby David M » 1 year 11 months ago (Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:28 am)

I reviewed Eric Hunt's movie. It is great and an eye opener about Nordhausen.
What is a disgrace is the the United States Holocaust Museum uses propaganda films exploiting the
Nordhausen horror to promote its Holocaust tales.

Director Sara Bloomfield
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
100 Raoul Wallenberg Place SW
Washington, DC 20024-2126
Regarding- The Tragedy of the Nordhausen Camp Hospital

Dear Director Bloomfield:
I am writing regarding the horrible tragedy of the bombing of the Nordhausen Camp Hospital and the exploitation of the tragedy in propaganda films which are still used by your museum....

See letter to USHMM at

To continue-

A Photo Opportunity
On April 11 elements of the US 3rd Armored and 104th Infantry Divisions reached Nordhausen. The bodies of those who died in the bombing and its aftermath were pulled from the rubble and lined up for a "photo opportunity. " No mention was made that the "props" were provided courtesy of the British air force.
Cameramen A. Statt and Rosenmann had a keen eye for filming the horrors, focusing on details of the dead and sick. The filming was supervised by Major Frank Gleason of the JAGD 89th
Here is Documentary Evidence
Their work was packaged into numerous propaganda films and Nordhausen achieved a brief notoriety. An example of the propaganda use Gleason's work was put to can be seen at; Universal Newsreel's Nazi Murder Mills, an Official NewsReel. We are informed that, "The vile inhuman beasts took pride in their concentration camp at Nordhausen;" that the deaths were the result of "Germany's organized carnage", and "For the first time, America can believe what they thought was impossible propaganda. Here is documentary evidence of sheer mass murder. Murder that will blacken the name of Germany for the rest of recorded history."
If It Please The Tribunal
The true history of the bombing and devastation of Nordhausen was known when the Nuremberg Trial started but the film images were "too good" not to be used by the prosecution. The film footage was shown early in the Trial, on November 29, 1945, as a segment of a longer motion picture described as A Documentary Motion Picture / Document No. 2430-PS / Submitted on behalf of U.S. Chief Counsel as exhibit USA 79. In the film it was stated that, "at least 3,000 political prisoners died here [the Boelcke Kaserne] at the brutal hands of SS troops..." The camp hospital was described only as "a depository for slaves found unfit for work."
No mention was made of the British bombings.

Assistant Prosecutor Thomas Dodd presented the movie to the Tribunal, claiming that,
"that each and every one of these defendants knew of the existence of these concentration camps;...that fear and terror and nameless horror of the concentration camps were instruments by which the defendants retained power and suppressed the opposition to any of their policies, including, of course, their plans for aggressive war." That is, Dodd implied that the conditions in Nordhausen seen in the movie were the conditions of "nameless horror" in the camps well prior to April 1945. This was a significant fraud and a vile exploitation of the Nordhausen tragedy. Dodd is infamous for having brought a shrunken head into the Tribunal.

Continued Dishonesty and Exploitation
This exploitation is widespread even 70 years after Dodd's shameful antics.The US Holocaust Museum website on Dora-Mittelbau (also known as Dora-Nordhausen or Nordhausen)at ... d=10005322 still uses the propaganda video...and still "forgets" to mention that the people in the film were killed in a German hospital by British bombardment.
The propaganda film is also used in an exhibit in your museum and, amazingly, your Museum does not even mention the terrible bombings.


Thank goodness for Eric's work or the slimy exploitation of the Nordhausen dead by the
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum would not have been known.

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Re: New Documentary - Questioning the Holocaust : Why We Believed (Part1 of 2)

Postby Myths2LiveBy » 1 year 10 months ago (Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:57 pm)

The film "Swastika," produced/written/directed by Sanford Lieberson, Phillipe Mora, and Lutz Decker in 1974, is a collage of home movies shot (mostly) by Eva Braun. The idea and blueprint for the film was Albert Speer's "Inside the Third Reich." The film itself is somewhat tedious; of greater interest are the conversations among the film's makers, including an interview of Albert Speer who flew to London to view the film and was arrested as he deplaned.

The home movies were silent film (but in color), so producers had deaf-mutes lip-read, then hired actors to speak the lines. Speer said the dialog was authentic and his voice was close to normal. When asked what he thought of the film, Speer replied, "Ask Arthur Harris." Lieberson asked, "Who is Arthur Harris?"
I wonder if he really did not know or if the question was rhetoric to fill out the conversation.

Lieberson stated that
"Swastika was my best film. I'm Jewish, my father’s German Jewish, but the new generation. He's seen the film; we say, What the fuck was that about? We’re still saying that: What the hell was going on? end: There are still questions, probably always will be, but to have presented an image of this horrendous period was, i think, a tremendous achievement."

Lieberson was stuck on that idea, of not knowing what was going on; he repeated it several times.

The most interesting comment in the producer conversation bits was when Lieberson asked Arno Breker, a sculptor who did work for the NS party. Breker was in the home movies, and viewed the film, Swastika. He said it was "extremely accurate except at the ending, where bodies are shown being bulldozed into a pit." Breker said, "As a sculptor I can tell you that’s faked in Hollywood; those are not real bodies.”

Has anyone studied that iconic image, of bodies being bulldozed into a pit?

Look at Breker's sculptures here:
then look carefully at the <I>corpses </I> in the bulldozer scene.
Ask some questions: Why are the bodies nude? Who took the clothes off of the corpses? None are bloated.

Swastika has numerous nasty anti-Christian elements: the cover art / poster has a naked corpse draped across the swastika, parody of the crucified Christ; and The Pilgrim's Chorus from Tannhauser is played, inappropriately, behind a grisly scene: Pilgrim's Chorus is, to my mind, deeply spiritual, concerning repentance and forgiveness. There's a crowd out there that seeks to demean important Christian concepts. Maybe that is why Lieberson "does not understand" why National Socialists, those "banal bourgeoisie," fought for their nation the way they did.

By the way, someone directed readers on the Unz forum to the Babylon before Hitler segment, which I think is from Dennis Wise's Greatest Story Never Told. Good idea to direct to shorter portions of the video.

I commented earlier on a topic about film editing. I don't know how to do those technologies and wish I did. A presentation that interleaved the offensive comments of Lieberson with clips from the Babylon film might answer his question of "Why did the Germans do that?"

Unz also linked to "Savage Peace," a BBC film on Post-war retaliations against 'minorities'. ... 8kh_X-7ojY It's got some flaws but overall drives home a painful message: the barbarity did not end with Germany's surrender.

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Re: New Documentary - Questioning the Holocaust : Why We Believed (Part1 of 2)

Postby flimflam » 1 year 10 months ago (Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:53 am)

"Has anyone studied that iconic image, of bodies being bulldozed into a pit?"

The film footage of bodies being bulldozed into pits is the heart of the holohoax, and it's provenance is well known. The film was taken by the British when they liberated Belsen, they made a documentary movie of the camps they liberated, Hitchcock was brought in to put it together, but it was shelved for 50 years and not available to the public, you can now see it here ... ... the-camps/

The bulldozer scene is also included in the 'documentary' the US put together to show at Nuremberg, which can be seen here ...

Finally, the footage is put in context in the denial vid ...

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Re: New Documentary - Questioning the Holocaust : Why We Believed (Part1 of 2)

Postby Hieldner » 1 year 10 months ago (Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:24 pm)

The website now displays this message instead of the movie
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