Well, first of all excuse me for any error in my writing, as I'm not an English native speaker, but the point to start the topic was (as the title says), that I¡m kind of overwhelmed because of the information available against the official version of the holocaust and the proofs that would support it. Thereby I would ask for some "enlightment" regarding this topic. This is what I consider are the main proofs against or supporting the official Shoah version:
Proofs supporting it:
- The nazi ideology was a darwinistic ideology distinguishing between the arian race and the Untermenschen/Übermenschen. We also have foregoings of murdering their own people (Aktion T4 and euthanasia program) and different kind of agressive propagana and teaching to their population to erradicate those persons out of the Volksgemeinschaft.
- If we already know that there was a war between the sionist jewish and the nazis, and they can act as an infiltrated enemy within the population, it has a lot of sense to prosecute them. Even more, if the war was an anihilation war, it has no sense to let them be alive, as they may reorganize or conspire against them.
- There are thousands of testimonies of witnessess and involved people describing the murdering operations.
- There are thousands of documents toowritten by the germans, describing the number of victims and the murdering process (although with tons of euphemisms). As I do speak german too, I can read them without needing a translation and I do consider them a strong evidence.
- If there is a criminal plan going on, it has a lot of sense to cover it up as much as possible. Therefore it is normal that some evidence have been not yet found, that there are a lot of paradoxes or difficult to prove actions.
Proofs against it:
- Germany suffered a severe scarcity of workers as she sended every capable men to the front. Thereby, it wouldn't have much sense to kill those who could have been working for them.
- It was and it's not clear what should be consider as a jew, so depending on what one consider (rassenjude, mischlingen I and II and glaubenjude), one may obtain differents numbers.
- From my point of view, it has absolutely no sense to create a jewish state while on the other hand one is trying to kill them and abusing them, as they will take their revenge as soon as they became powerful enough.
- Most of the evidence of the gas chambers and so on where presented by the soviet russians, worldknown for their honestity and transparency.
- There are a lot of evidences that contradict other ones, with witnessess saying A and other saying B. Also it is predictable in some cases some lack of honestity from their side, as they are victims, and the victims always want justice or retribution with some interests.
- There is an economical and political explotiation of the holocoust, which doesn't happen with any other genocide of the mankind history.
- The truth and the sciencie fears no investigation or revision, and in this case, it is strictly controlled or forbidden to go deeper and review the facts of the official version.
- Normally it is ignored the cause of death by tifus or the indirect cause caused by the bombing of the allies of the german logistic system, which leaves the camps without supplies.
- We have previous cases of lies and rumours without any evidence or fake proofs (like the human soap, skin lamps, shrunken heads, the Ana Frank diary and so on).
This is what I do actually believe it happened:
- There is no secret that since the begining the nazis where enemies of the jews, although I would specify two particular cases; those powerful jews associated with the high finance, banks and so on, and those orthodox believers, leaving the rest to a second place. Once they reached the power, and with their alternative economic system and politics to recover their souvereignity, they started a hidden war with the sionism (one just need to research a bit about the boicot made by the jews to germany as soon as Hitler reached the power, while the german boicot arrived a week later. Also I¨ve found curious, that although Hitler had the majority of the parliament on his side, there were no law or legal action against the jews after a week of his Ermächtigungsgesetz).
- Since then, 1933, the nazis tried to expell all the jews out of their controlled territories and public system before the WWII started, also in cooperation with sionism organization to organice a fast and controlled migration outside Europe or the Reich.
- Then the war begins in 1939 and the plans to expell the jews begin to be more difficult to realize, as the destination countries may not cooperate with germany. So they decide in 1940 the Madagascar plan to create a jewish state far from Europe and also with less risk of any jewish territorial or political expansion outside the island.
- At some point, with the british control of the seas, with the peace offers declined or ignored, and with all the jews of the world united together to crush Germany, the germans decide to forget about the Madagascar plan and adopt more drastic resolutions. This will be the turning point and the start the mass killings (the so called Aktion Reinhardt). Majdanek, Sobibor, Treblinca and Belzek would be the extermination camps (I don't consider Auschwitz as one of them), in combination with massive shootings of the Einsatzgruppen and maybe also through the famous gas vans.
- Once the east front was collapsing, they decided to stop the mass killings and destroy the traces of the assessinations, hiding the evidences, demolishing the complexes and so on. Also because of the necesities and demands of the war, any people capable of working, no matter if they were jews or not, would be forced to work.
- As soon as Germany is defeated, it is blamed of almost everything that one could imagine exaggerating the crimes she commited and inflating the magnitude of their actions so like the number of victims, as like always, the vanquisher is the one who writes the historz. From my point of view, I will judge fair a total amount of jewish victims around 2-3 million, and those claimed 6 millions are only because of cabalistic reasons.
And lastly, this would be my questions to you:
- Which number of jewish victims do you consider realistic? (combining deaths in the ghettos, KZ, shootings, and so on).
- What could cause the turning point in their politics to first start cooperating with sionist organizations, and then prosecuting all and making some deals with the Mufti of Jerusalem? Any hidden agreement that was not accomplished by one side?
- What is, in your opinion, the secuence of what happened?