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Re: Is Zyklon B explosive ? New Germar Rudolf Video

Postby Moderator » 3 years 5 months ago (Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:44 am)

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You have repeatedly and politely been challenged with voluminous amounts of information which indicate the many dangers of cyanide and therefore counter your position.
Obviously it would have been easier for you to address them as they were submitted, but you did not. This has gone on long enough.
It is now incumbent upon you to address each of those before you can continue to post in this thread.
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Re: Is Zyklon B explosive ? New Germar Rudolf Video

Postby Dresden » 3 years 5 months ago (Tue Jun 14, 2016 11:49 am)

The "Nazis" wouldn't have used a morgue near a crematorium as a gas chamber if they intended to exterminate 2,000 people in 15 minutes, because they would know that they would have to use exorbitant amounts of Hydrogen Cyanide to accomplish the task, and they would also have figured in a margin of error for "Loony Luther" or "Harebrained Hans" who might want to speed up the process by using more Zyklon B.


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Re: Is Zyklon B explosive ? New Germar Rudolf Video

Postby Tomt » 3 years 4 months ago (Wed Jun 15, 2016 4:03 pm)

Even if there was an explosion danger I would rather focus on actuals instead of the hypothetical. For example I think someone would be more convinced about treblinka being a hoax based on no bodies being found than the impossibility of a million people being dug up and burned in three months time. On another note has anyone done any experiments with zyklon b. For example kreme 2 would have been used at least 300 times if the story is true about how many were gassed there. How much residue should have been there if this was true. I understand the cyanide was in the millions of times lower than the fumigation Chambers.

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Re: Is Zyklon B explosive ? New Germar Rudolf Video

Postby Hannover » 3 years 4 months ago (Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:06 pm)

Tomt wrote:Even if there was an explosion danger I would rather focus on actuals instead of the hypothetical. For example I think someone would be more convinced about treblinka being a hoax based on no bodies being found than the impossibility of a million people being dug up and burned in three months time. On another note has anyone done any experiments with zyklon b. For example kreme 2 would have been used at least 300 times if the story is true about how many were gassed there. How much residue should have been there if this was true. I understand the cyanide was in the millions of times lower than the fumigation Chambers.

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Table of Content
1. Prelude, p. 11
1.1. Slow Death in U.S. Gas Chambers, p. 11
1.2. Hydrogen Cyanide—a Dangerous Poison, p. 15
1.3. The Acid that Causes Blue Stains, p. 20
2. The Coup, p. 23
2.1. Fred Leuchter on Auschwitz and Majdanek, p. 23
2.2. Damage Control, p. 26
3. The Origins, p. 29
3.1. On the Problem, p. 32
3.2. On Politics, p. 36
4. A Brief History of Forensic Examinations of Auschwitz, p. 39
4.1. Introduction, p. 39
4.2. The Moral Obligation of Forensic Examination, p. 39
4.3. A Definition of Forensic Science, p. 41
4.4. Forensic Science and Auschwitz, p. 42
4.4.1. Forensics in the Courts, p. 42
4.4.1.1. The 1946 Cracow Auschwitz Trial, p. 42
4.4.1.2. The 1964-1966 Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial, p. 44
4.4.1.3. The 1972 Vienna Auschwitz Trial, p. 45
4.4.2. Forensics Outside the Courts, p. 46
4.4.2.1. In Search of Mass Graves, p. 46
4.4.2.2. Faurisson and the Consequences, p. 46
5. Auschwitz, p. 49
5.1. Introduction, p. 49
5.1.1. "Opera During the Holocaust, p. 49
5.1.2. On the History of the Camp, p. 51
5.2. Epidemics and the Defense Against them, p. 59
5.2.1. Danger of Epidemics, p. 59
5.2.2. Epidemic Control with Zyklon B, p. 60
5.2.3. Epidemic Control in Auschwitz, p. 65
5.2.3.1. Terminology Used and Responsibilities, p. 65
5.2.3.2. Procedures Used, p. 67
5.2.3.3. Results, p. 68
5.2.3.4. Basic Policy Decisions, p. 69
5.2.3.5. The Army Medical Officer, p. 70
5.2.3.6. Short-Wave Delousing Facility, p. 73
5.2.4. Disinfestation Installations BW 5a und 5b, p. 73
5.3. ‘Gas Chamber’ in the Auschwitz I Main Camp, p. 78
5.4. ‘Gas Chambers’ in Birkenau Camp, p. 88
5.4.1. Crematoria II and III, p. 88
5.4.1.1. Starting Situation, p. 88
5.4.1.2. The Obsessive Search for "Criminal Traces", p. 94
5.4.1.2.1. New Cellars Stairways, p. 95
5.4.1.2.2. Gassing Cellar, Undressing Room, and Showers, p. 96
5.4.1.2.3. "Gas-tight Doors" for Crematorium II, p. 103
5.4.1.2.4. Ventilation Installations, p. 107
5.4.1.2.5. Pre-heated Morgues, p. 108
5.4.1.2.6. "Cremation with Simultaneous Sonderbehandlung", p. 109
5.4.1.2.7. "Gas Testers" and "Indicator Devices for HCN Residues", p. 111
5.4.1.2.8. Zyklon B Introduction Holes, p. 113
5.4.1.2.9. Conclusions, p. 133
5.4.2. Crematoria IV and V, p. 135
5.4.3. Farmhouses 1 and 2, p. 139
5.4.4. The Drainage System in Birkenau, p. 141
5.4.4.1. Background: Eyewitness Accounts, p. 141
5.4.4.2. The Ground Water Table in Birkenau, p. 141
5.4.4.3. Open-Air Incineration in Pits, p. 143
5.5. Construction Conclusions, p. 145
6. Formation and Stability of Iron Blue, p. 151
6.1. Introduction, p. 151
6.2. Instances of Damages to Buildings, p. 152
6.3. Properties of Hydrogen Cyanide, HCN, p. 155
6.4. Composition of Iron Blue, p. 158
6.4.1. Overview, p. 158
6.4.2. Excursus, p. 158
6.5. Formation of Iron Blue, p. 159
6.5.1. Overview, p. 159
6.5.2. Water Content, p. 161
6.5.2.1. Overview, p. 161
6.5.2.2. Excursus, p. 161
6.5.3. Reactivity of Trivalent Iron, p. 163
6.5.3.1. Overview, p. 163
6.5.3.2. Excursus, p. 163
6.5.4. Temperature, p. 164
6.5.4.1. Overview, p. 164
6.5.4.2. Excursus, p. 167
6.5.5. pH Value, p. 168
6.6. Stability of Iron Blue, p. 170
6.6.1. pH Sensitivity, p. 170
6.6.2. Solubility, p. 171
6.6.2.1. Overview, p. 171
6.6.2.2. Excursus, p. 172
6.6.3. Excursus: Competing Ligands, p. 175
6.6.4. Effects of Light, p. 176
6.6.4.1. Overview, p. 176
6.6.4.2. Excursus, p. 176
6.6.5. Long-Term Test, p. 177
6.7. Influence of Various Building Materials, p. 180
6.7.1. Brick, p. 180
6.7.1.1. Overview, p. 180
6.7.1.2. Excursus, p. 181
6.7.2. Cement Mortar and Concrete, p. 181
6.7.2.1. Overview, p. 181
6.7.2.2. Excursus, p. 182
6.7.3. Lime Mortar, p. 185
6.7.4. Effects upon the Formation of Iron Blue, p. 185
7. Zyklon B for the Killing of Human Beings, p. 191
7.1. Toxicological Effect of HCN, p. 191
7.2. Evaporation Characteristics of Zyklon B, p. 194
7.3. The Gassing of Human Beings, p. 196
7.3.1. Eyewitness Testimonies, p. 196
7.3.1.1. Boundary Conditions, p. 196
7.3.1.2. Eyewitness Fantasies, p. 199
7.3.1.3. Quantities of Poison Gas, p. 208
7.3.1.3.1. Overview, p. 208
7.3.1.3.2. Excursus 1: Poisoning or Suffocation?, p. 211
7.3.1.3.3. Excursus 2: HCN Loss due to Adsorption, p. 216
7.3.2. Critique of the Eyewitness Descriptions, p. 218
7.3.2.1. Theatre of the Absurd, p. 218
7.3.2.1.1. Necessity of Co-Operation, p. 218
7.3.2.1.2. Failure to Separate the Sexes, p. 219
7.3.2.1.3. Towel and Soap, p. 220
7.3.2.2. Speed of Ventilation of the ‘Gas Chambers’, p. 220
7.3.2.2.1. Introduction, p. 220
7.3.2.2.2. Excursus, p. 220
7.3.2.2.3. Ventilation of the Morgues of Crematorium II and III, p. 223
7.3.2.3. Simulation Calculations, p. 227
7.3.2.4. Excursus: Capacity of Protective Filters, p. 230
7.3.3. Evaluation of Eyewitnesses, p. 233
7.3.4. An Expert on Cyanide Speaks Out, p. 238
7.3.5. Why Precisely Zyklon B?, p. 241
8. Evaluation of Chemical Analyses, p. 245
8.1. Test Sample Taking and Description, p. 245
8.2. Analytical Methods, p. 246
8.3. Evaluation of Analytical Results, p. 247
8.3.1. F.A. Leuchter/Alpha Analytic Laboratories, p. 247
8.3.2. Institute for Forensic Research, Cracow, p. 250
8.3.3. G. Rudolf/Fresenius Institute, p. 252
8.3.3.1. Samples 1-4: Crematorium II, Morgue 1, p. 253
8.3.3.2. Samples 5 to 8 and 23, 24: Inmate Barracks, p. 258
8.3.3.3. Samples 9 to 22: Disinfestation Building, p. 258
8.3.3.4. Samples 25-30: Tests, p. 265
8.3.4. John C. Ball, p. 268
8.4. Discussion of the Analysis Results, p. 269
8.4.1. Blue Wall Paint?, p. 269
8.4.2. False Method of Analysis, p. 270
8.4.3. The Memory Hole, p. 273
8.4.4. The Moon is Made of Pizza, p. 276
8.4.5. Anticipated Values, p. 279
8.4.6. Limits of the Chemical Method, p. 283
9. Conclusions, p. 287
10. Acknowledgements, p. 293
11. Hunting Germar Rudolf, p. 297
11.1. What Makes Revisionists?, p. 297
11.2. The Naiveté of a Young Revisionist, p. 316
11.3. Flaws of a State Under the Rule of Law, p. 330
11.4. Rudolf’s Thought ‘Crimes’, p. 345
11.5. The Media and the Case of Germar Rudolf, p. 383
11.6. Outlawed in the Federal Republic of Germany, p. 404
11.7. Biographical Notes on the Author, p. 421
12. Bibliography, p. 423
12.1. Monographs, p. 423
12.2. Periodical Articles, p. 428
12.3. Archival Documents, p. 434
12.4. Internet Documents, p. 434
12.5. Courts Files, Governmental Documents, p. 436
12.6. Video, Audio, and Unpublished Documents, p. 437
13. Lists
13.1. List of Tables, p. 439
13.2. List of Illustrations, p. 440
13.3. List of Graphs, p. 444
13.4. List of Abbreviations, p. 445
14. Index, p. 447
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Re: Is Zyklon B explosive ? New Germar Rudolf Video

Postby Tomt » 3 years 4 months ago (Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:28 am)

OK I never heard about the 4 to 6 cans that were used for each killing session from the little testimony we do have. I keep hearing that they only had to use a small amount. So I guess those testimonies are not valid. It's funny how only certain testimony is considered valid.

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Re: Is Zyklon B explosive ? New Germar Rudolf Video

Postby Hektor » 3 years 4 months ago (Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:37 am)

Tomt wrote:Even if there was an explosion danger I would rather focus on actuals instead of the hypothetical. For example I think someone would be more convinced about treblinka being a hoax based on no bodies being found than the impossibility of a million people being dug up and burned in three months time. On another note has anyone done any experiments with zyklon b. For example kreme 2 would have been used at least 300 times if the story is true about how many were gassed there. How much residue should have been there if this was true. I understand the cyanide was in the millions of times lower than the fumigation Chambers.


It's a detail, one that highlights problems with the testimony and supposed technology being used. It requires a bit more intellectual ability, willingness and labor than the no-brainer of no-corpses does.

I still deem it important - it shows that the claims being made are implausible, unpractical and unreasonable. And of course true believers also have excuses for the absence of evidence like corpses.

Our point is also not that we prove that it didn't happen. Our point is that there is no required proof for the claim of "industrial extermination".
So it can not be postulated as a scientific or historical truth. It's just another mythologized narrative, one that has been exploited for political and financial gains in an obscene way.

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Re: Is Zyklon B explosive ? New Germar Rudolf Video

Postby Review » 3 years 4 months ago (Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:38 pm)

Two articles on fumigation and explosiveness when fumigating ships. I realize the gas in question is different (LEL is appr. 2 %, compared with HCN 6 %), on the other hand they are not trying to gas 1000 human beings in 5 minutes, either.

phosphine gas on top of grain cargoes spontaneously ignited resulting in explosions inside the cargo holds. The power of these explosions resulted in the steel hatchcovers being lifted up out of their sealed position...Investigations on these vessels revealed that the reason was uneven distribution of the gas pellets on top of the bulk stow. It was ascertained that the gas pellets had been piled in small heaps along the inside of the hatch coaming square. The piling of the pellets resulted in a concentrated / accelerated release of phosphine gas which filled the void space to the point that it reached its lower flammable limit and spontaneously combusted / exploded.


http://www.bunkerist.com/en/?p=16206
https://www.vesselfinder.com/news/5340- ... Fumigation


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