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Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby Dresden » 3 years 3 months ago (Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:18 pm)

Elie Wiesel has died.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/02/world/eli ... index.html

Elie Wiesel, Holocaust survivor and Nobel laureate, dead at 87


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(CNN) — Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor and author who fought for peace, human rights and simple human decency, has died at the age of 87, a spokesman for Israel's Holocaust memorial, Yad Vashem, said Saturday.

Wiesel, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986, recounted his family being sent to the Nazi concentration camps in his first book, "Night," which was published in 1955.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu lauded Wiesel as a "master of words."

"(He) gave expression through his exceptional personality, and fascinating books about the victory of the human spirit over cruelty and evil. In the darkness of the Holocaust in which our brothers and sisters -- six million -- were murdered, Elie Wiesel was a ray of light and greatness of humanity who believed in the good in man," Netanyahu said.

"I was privileged to know Elie and to learn so much from him."

Born in Romania, Wiesel was 15 when he was sent to the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland with his family in 1944.

The future writer was later moved and ultimately freed from the Buchenwald camp in 1945. Of his relatives, only two of his sisters survived.

Wiesel told CNN last year that Auschwitz was "to this day, a source of shock and astonishment."

He broke his silence on his Holocaust experience 10 years after the liberation with the acclaimed memoir "Night," originally published in French as "La Nuit," which has been translated into 30 languages and has sold millions of copies since its publication.

The Nobel peace laureate, who wrote extensively about the horrors he and others endured, said he knew he'd have to write at some point but feared the words would elude him.

"I'm not sure, by the way, that I did find them," he said. "Maybe there are no words for what happened. Maybe somehow, the Germans ... the cruel killers, have succeeded at least in one way, at least that it deprived us, the victims, of finding the proper language of saying what they had done to us, because there are no words for it."

In 1986 the Nobel committee called Wiesel an important spiritual leader.

In his speech honoring Wiesel, then-chairman Egil Aarvik said: "From the abyss of the death camps he has come as a messenger to mankind, not with a message of hate and revenge, but with one of brotherhood and atonement."

Millions of people were touched by "Night" and some 50 other works Wiesel produced. His books were deeply personal. He was honest with his readers about what he went through physically, emotionally, spiritually.
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Re: Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby Dresden » 3 years 3 months ago (Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:32 pm)

No doubt, Wiesel has achieved Sainthood, and is now "untouchable".

Nevertheless, I see some glaring falsehoods in that Obituary.
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Re: Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby Mortimer » 3 years 3 months ago (Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:42 pm)

He was a fraud and a con man. His concern for humanity certainly didn't extend to the Palestinians. I cannot find any quotes from him condemning their mistreatment.
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/wiesel.shtml
http://www.eliewieseltattoo.com
He got a free ride from the MSM with none of them asking any hard questions when he was alive. Maybe a journalist with backbone will follow up this case as was done with Simon Wiesenthal after he died -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... fraud.html
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Re: Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby Leibniz » 3 years 3 months ago (Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:20 pm)

Steve F wrote:
Elie Wiesel wrote:"Maybe somehow, the Germans ... the cruel killers"
What a loathsome imposter!
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Re: Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby EtienneSC » 3 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:41 am)

Mortimer wrote: He got a free ride from the MSM with none of them asking any hard questions when he was alive. Maybe a journalist with backbone will follow up this case as was done with Simon Wiesenthal after he died

The comparison with Simon Wiesenthal is appropriate. However, in Elie Wiesel's case a revisionist biography was already published in his lifetime: Warren B Routledge's Holocaust High Priest: Elie Wiesel, Night, the Memory Cult & the Rise of Revisionism (2015). Here is a description:
The most damning exposé of famed ‘Holocaust Survivor’ Elie Wiesel ever put into print!

Holocaust Handbooks Volume 30.
Holocaust High Priest by Warren B. Routledge weaves together five compelling and interrelated narratives. The book’s main concern is to present the world’s first unauthorized biography of Elie Wiesel. It shines the light of truth on the mythomaniac who, in the 1970s, transformed the word “holocaust” and made it the brand name of the world’s greatest hoax: the unfounded claim by an extremist segment of World Jewry to the effect that the German government’s wartime policy of territorial transfer of Europe’s Jews out of the Reich was in actuality an “extermination program.”
In these pages, both Wiesel’s personal deceits and the whole myth of “the six million” are mercilessly exposed and laid bare for the reader’s perusal. Unfortunately, Zionist control of the U.S. government as well as the nation’s media and academic apparatus has allowed Wiesel and his fellow extremists to force a string of U.S. presidents to genuflect before this imposter as symbolic acts of subordination to World Jewry, while simultaneously forcing U.S. school children to submit to Holocaust brainwashing by their teachers.
The second strand involves close readings of several of Wiesel’s published texts, with emphasis on his alleged “autobiography,” the novel Night. The author demonstrates Wiesel’s appalling ignorance of both the physical details and layouts of the Auschwitz and Buchenwald camps, and this ignorance also extends to German administrative protocols and procedures. Amazingly, the novel’s chronology of the events said to have “really happened” in the author’s life is also disjointed, confusing and internally contradictory. The author also shows the role played by the meme of “retroactive continuity” in the telling of the Holocaust story.
The third strand involves an historical account of the rise of Holocaust Revisionism mainly in the U.S. and Europe in response to the many obvious lies contained in the Jewish Holocaust narrative. From the sudden appearance of the Revisionist work of Profs. Butz and Faurisson in the 1970s, through the Zündel trials of the 1980s, to the work of contemporary Revisionists like Bradley R. Smith, Germar Rudolf, Carlo Mattogno, Thomas Kues and others today, this study shows, through the words of the Holocaustian extremists themselves, how effective the Revisionists have been in demolishing their lies.
The fourth strand shows how certain ambitious and unscrupulous U.S. Catholic intellectuals have hitched a ride on the Holocaust bandwagon as a means of advancing their careers. Ritual denunciation of the alleged “silence” of Pope Pius XII is unfortunately very much a part of this behavior.
Finally, the fifth strand concerns all those U.S. Jews, young and old, who have been turned off by one or another aspect of the Holocaust story and its use within the U.S. Jewish community, but who never criticize it openly for non-Jewish ears. As for younger U.S. Jews, Rabbi Jacob Neusner has been pointing out for years that it has not kept them Jewish. What he calls the “Holocaust and Redemption” cult within U.S. Jewry has resulted in a staggering abandonment of Jewish identity through intermarriage with non-Jews at percentages never before seen or even imagined.

Softcover, 474 pages, 6”× 9,” bibliography, index

Anyone writing about Wiesel should be familiar with this work.

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Re: Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby Hektor » 3 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:10 am)

Steve F wrote:Elie Wiesel has died.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/02/world/eli ... index.html

Elie Wiesel, Holocaust survivor and Nobel laureate, dead at 87


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[b](CNN) — Elie Wiesel, a Holocaust survivor and author who fought for peace, human rights and simple human decency, has died at the age of 87, a spokesman for Israel's Holocaust memorial, Yad Vashem, said Saturday.
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Simple "human decency" my ass. Someone that made up horror stories for financial and political gain hits the nail better on the head.

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Re: Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby borjastick » 3 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:24 am)

Churchill said this about Russia but it could equally well apply to Wiesel...

a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma;


Has it been conclusively proven that he was in any concentration camp?

Did he have any children and have they said much about him and his claims?

Is it possible that everything he said about his holocaust experience is on a par with Binjamin Wilkomirski??
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Postby Hektor » 3 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:57 am)

It should be sanctioned that Elie Wiesel at least proposed the rape of innocent goy girls or women:

BUT the Yiddish [of Un di velt, your early version of Night] continues: "Early the next day, Jewish boys ran off to Weimar to steal clothing and potatoes. And to rape German girls [un tsu fargvaldikn daytshe shikses]. The historical commandment of revenge was not fulfilled."

In French this passage reads: "Le lendemain, quelques jeunes gens coururent à Weimar ramasser des pommes de terre et des habits - et coucher avec des filles. Mais de vengeance, pas trace."

WieselOr, in Stella Rodway's English rendition: "On the following morning, some of the young men went to Weimar to get some potatoes and clothes - and to sleep with girls. But of revenge, not a sign."

To describe the differences between these versions as a stylistic reworking is to miss the extent of what is suppressed in the French. Un di velt depicts a post-Holocaust landscape in which Jewish boys "run off" to steal provisions and rape German girls; Night extracts from this scene of lawless retribution a far more innocent picture of the aftermath of the war, with young men going off to the nearest city to look for clothes and sex.

In the Yiddish, the survivors are explicitly described as Jews and their victims (or intended victims) as German; in the French, they are just young men and women. The narrator of both versions decries the Jewish failure to take revenge against the Germans, but this failure means something different when it is emblematized, as it is in Yiddish, with the rape of German women.

The implication, in the Yiddish, is that rape is a frivolous dereliction of the obligation to fulfill the "historical commandment of revenge"; presumably fulfillment of this obligation would involve a concerted and public act of retribution with a clearly defined target. Un di velt does not spell out what form this retribution might take, only that it is sanctioned - even commanded - by Jewish history and tradition.

From Naomi Seidman, Elie Wiesel and the Scandal of Jewish rage, Jewish Social Studies: History, Culture, and Society, Fall 1996, Volume 3, Number 1.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/stories/Wiesel4.html
http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/tiroirs/ ... uriac.html
Of course they made the other language versions a bit softer then the original Jiddish one.

It also contrasts with the image of the emaciated Jewish victim.

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Postby EtienneSC » 3 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:16 am)

I am informed by a listener that Claude Lanzmann (creator of the film Shoah) declined to pay homage to the memory of Elie Wiesel on French radio station France Inter this morning. According to a listener, Lanzmann, interviewed by Laetitia Gayet:
gave no elegy for Wiesel, on the contrary, even citing the hungarian Nobel prize winner Imre Kertesz, "a true survivor", according to whom Wiesel had only spent 3 or 4 nights at Auschwitz before waiting out the end of the war at Buchenwald.

Gayet was reportedly shocked. Unfortunately, I cannot verify this, as the radio interview has apparently been suppressed from the France Inter schedule. Perhaps the (alleged) statement of Kertesz is on public record elsewhere though. Kertesz wrote about Auschwitz, including details of his time in the hospital there. According to one revisionist account of his work he heard of gas chambers but did not see any. The revisionist who pointed this out was sentenced to prison (on probation) by a court in Budapest earlier this year:
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10072&p=76074
After the war, Kertesz fell out with the communist authorities in Hungary which delayed publication of his work. According to one account, his novel Fateless (Sorstalanság) "differs from most accounts of Nazi concentration camps in its relentless objectivity". Apparently, Kertesz also translated writers, including Friedrich Nietzsche and Ludwig Wittgenstein, into hungarian. He won the Nobel prize in 2002 and died earlier in 2016:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35933390

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Postby Hannover » 3 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:44 pm)

Liar Wiesel is the very embodiment of the fraudulent nature of the impossible '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'. He deserves nothing but ridicule and scorn, yet he became a multi-millionaire, profiting from easily debunked lies. Such is the 'holocaust' scam, always follow the money.

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

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http://codoh.com/library/document/4075/
Elie Wiesel Has Died at Age 87
By Roberto Hernandez
Published: 2016-07-03

Elie Wiesel was arguably the most well known and powerful figure among acknowledged Holocaust survivors. While alive, he exercised his “moral lobby” to keep the memories of the Holocaust and Holocaust survivors alive and to “educate” the new generations on the dangers of anti-Semitism and hatred to minorities, specially, of course, to Jews. He coined a phrase that he would repeat often: Never forget.

Much has been criticized about Wiesel, he was not only a Holocaust survivor but a powerful man invited often to events with presidents and other high politicians and businessmen.

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Elie Wiesel

In 2009, the New York Times reported that “Mr. Wiesel’s charity lost $15.2 million, and he and his wife, Marion, lost their life savings. “This was a personal tragedy where we discovered all of a sudden what we had done in 40 years — my books, my lectures, everything — was gone,” said Mr. Wiesel” This was known as a Ponzi scheme. After this episode with Mr. Madoff , who was the schemer, our good friend the deceased said Mr. Madoff was a “ ‘Sociopath,’ ‘psychopath,’ it means there is a sickness, a pathology. This man knew what he was doing. I would simply call him thief, scoundrel, criminal.”
[ http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/27/busin ... .html?_r=1 ]

But Elie Wiesel’s life was a successful one in spite of the loss of $15.2 million. In 1986, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize based on his role in speaking out against violence, repression and racism. He also “collected scores of awards and honors, including an honorary knighthood in Britain. Obama presented him the National Humanities Medal in 2009.”
[ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/eli ... 29c1aa51bb ]

In 1985 he received one of the highest honors awarded a civilian, the Congressional Gold Medal of Achievement from President Ronald Reagan and did not miss the opportunity to instruct President Reagan “not to visit a cemetery where SS soldiers were buried.”
[ http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... dies-at-87 ]

It is said, Wiesel was the author of more than 50 books among those the book Night, which is probably the best known of his publications, estimated to have sold more than 10 million copies. [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elie-wiesel-dead_us_57781653e4b0a629c1aa51bb]

An exerpt of his book Night was read by Elie in 2006 at the famous TV show Oprah:
[ http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... dies-at-87 ]
"Never shall I forget that night that first night in camp that turned my life into one long night. Never shall I forget the small faces of the children whose bodies I saw transformed into smoke under a silent sky. Never shall I forget those flames that consumed my faith forever,… Those moments that murdered my god and my soul and turned my dreams to ashes. Never."

In common with so many other “Holocaust survivors” his personal story was full of holes and incoherencies.Many doubts about the legitimacy of his narrative were raised among the revisionist community expressed publicly.

He claimed to have been an inmate at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, but never displayed his tattoo, a common feature of inmates at Auschwitz- Birkenau, to those who demanded proof of veracity. So one can say without exaggeration that his personal story cannot be trusted as factual.

One thing is now for sure, the orthodox Holocaust narrative and its industry have lost its most influential promoter. Maybe some else will rise to that “noble cause” of raising awareness in humanity about the atrocities Jews suffered during WWII and the need of special treatment for them these seventy years on. For now may Elie Wiesel rest in peace. Or not.

A righteous Jew speaks up:
Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

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Re: Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby Leibniz » 3 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 03, 2016 1:28 pm)

So, did he have a tattoo or not? Now that he's dead, the authorities should be able to report on this conclusively. Not to be gruesome, but photo evidence would be nice, for that matter.
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Re: Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 3 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:37 pm)

EtienneSC wrote:I am informed by a listener that Claude Lanzmann (creator of the film Shoah) declined to pay homage to the memory of Elie Wiesel on French radio station France Inter this morning. According to a listener, Lanzmann, interviewed by Laetitia Gayet:
gave no elegy for Wiesel, on the contrary, even citing the hungarian Nobel prize winner Imre Kertesz, "a true survivor", according to whom Wiesel had only spent 3 or 4 nights at Auschwitz before waiting out the end of the war at Buchenwald.

Gayet was reportedly shocked. Unfortunately, I cannot verify this, as the radio interview has apparently been suppressed from the France Inter schedule.


Lanzmann's comments on Wiesel's passing are discussed here:
http://www1.alliancefr.com/actualites/un-lanzmann-pathetique-diatribe-contre-elie-wiesel-sur-france-inter-6041498
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Re: Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby EtienneSC » 3 years 3 months ago (Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:07 pm)

In light of of my previous post:
EtienneSC wrote:I am informed by a listener that Claude Lanzmann (creator of the film Shoah) declined to pay homage to the memory of Elie Wiesel on French radio station France Inter this morning.

Here is some confirmation of my description:
http://www1.alliancefr.com/actualites/un-lanzmann-pathetique-diatribe-contre-elie-wiesel-sur-france-inter-6041498
https://www.franceinter.fr/info/elie-wiesel-prix-nobel-de-la-paix-s-eteint-a-87-ans
"In a few egotistical seconds, he [Lanzmann] accused Elie Wiesel of having only stayed "4 days and 4 nights at Auschwitz."

There are also many comments by listeners on Twitter and Facebook. Reuters stated that he died "after a long illness", which would explain his recent silence.

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Re: Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby Hannover » 3 years 3 months ago (Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:22 am)

Leibniz wrote:So, did he have a tattoo or not? Now that he's dead, the authorities should be able to report on this conclusively. Not to be gruesome, but photo evidence would be nice, for that matter.

The tattoo issue is a sideshow for me.
The real issue, besides Wiesel being yet another Jew who couldn't work and was not 'gassed' as the storyline claims he would have been, is his admission that Jews were given a choice to stay at Auschwitz and await the Soviets or leave with the retreating Germans. Most chose to leave with the Germans.

That point is discussed and supported here:
'Did inmates of Auschwitz choose to be evacuated?'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1372

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Re: Elie Wiesel dead at 87

Postby phdnm » 3 years 3 months ago (Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:10 pm)

He was the Doomsday weapon against all Holocaust deniers
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MK Stern: Elie Wiesel was a doomsday weapon against Holocaust deniers

Chairman of the Lobby for Holocaust Survivors, MK Eliezer Stern (Yesh Atid), mourns the passing of Elie Wiesel:

"I had the merit of knowing him personally. The conversations between us always focused on the connection between the Holocaust and recovery therefrom, as well as the challenges we face inside Israel and among Diaspora Jewry. Elie was the true mouthpiece for human values, combining Judaism with the Jewish people over history, especially the Holocaust.

He was the Doomsday weapon against all Holocaust deniers, and a faithful ambassador of "Never Again" for the Jewish nation among generations of world leaders."


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... 3qX_DLr19B


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