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Paul Tillich: An Allied Radio Propagandist against Germany

Postby Hektor » 4 years 1 month ago (Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:12 pm)

Paul Johannes Tillich (August 20, 1886 – October 22, 1965) was a German existentialist philosopher and Lutheran theologian and religious socialist. He was also the Author of literature against National Socialism in 1933 "Die sozialistische Entscheidung". He was subsequently fired from the state service and left Germany. Far from being a "poor refugee" friends got him a position with the Union Theological Seminary in New York. He was quite an active exilee e.g. leading member of the "Council for a Democratic Germany", which also consisted of Communists. Less known is his "War Time Radio Addresses Against Nazi Germany", which he made from the US. Fortunately there is a book on this. Here is how the author/pubisher introduces it:

...The reader of these essays will learn that Tillich’s analysis was not only profound, powerful, and polemical but also true. These radio speeches are the raw data of a theologian at war from 1942 to 1944, following the daily events and analyzing them theologically. These are not works from hindsight but represent engaged, political, and theological risk taking.

The many individuals who were recruited to write for the Voice of America were not expected to create Propaganda in the popular sense of the word. The Voice of America was the strongest section of the Radio Program Bureau of the U.S. Office of War Information (OWI). It was forbidden to use falsehood in its efforts. Another agency— the Office of Strategie Services (OSS) — was specifically mandated to serve as a subversive tool of the military. It was unabashedly engaged in psychological warfare. The OWI, in contrast, was committed to the truthful dissemination of information in the domestic and foreign sectors — a truth admittedly steeped in New Deal liberalism.

Did Tillich’s Service to the OWI nevertheless make him a Propagandist? The fields of Propaganda studies and communication research flowered in the years between the two world wars. While Propaganda studies focused on the truth or falsehood of media messages, communication studies concentrated on the impact of these messages on the hearers. The political scientist, Harold Lasswell, came to the conclusion that Propaganda was “no more moral or immoral than a pump handle.” Its truth or un-truth was irrelevant to its function. ln his eyes, it had become a necessary tool for moving the masses in the modern, technological era . 2 Jacques Ellul a Protestant, French theologian, later pointed out the inherent risk contained within a modern Situation in which Propaganda becomes technological civilization’s weapon against the autonomy of the individual .

Yeah right, "truthful", they mean they try to get as many facts straight as necessary to appear credible in order to transpose a lie against the enemy. The author is either very naive or malicious on purpose here. Funny how he insists to point out that the OWI or Tillich weren't lying and truthful (but admits that this may have been the case with the OSS). Did he check what's claimed itself? Where did Tillich have his information from? How was the facticity of it verified? Let's put it that way. OWI got it's info from another government agency, newspaper articles, exile organisations and the like. There is no way they could have done some fact checking during the war (and they didn't bother afterwards). But they still may have believed what they've been disseminating given that apparently independent sources repeated similar messages over and over again. That those sources may by themselves have gotten rumors from a single other source didn't pass their mind it seems.


Further The commentary reads like this:
...Before 1942 was over, Tillich was speaking of the Nazi actions of extermination of the Jews (September 12, 1942, and November 12, 1942). In December 1942, he was telling Germans of the trains of death, of the machine-gun executions of Jewish children and women, and of German physicians who joined in the slaughter in the camps. The Nazi guilt was a bürden to the country that had become the tool for Nazism. The essays from March 1942 to May 1944 detail the guilt of all responsible Germans, and Tillich’s own guilt fuels the passion of his writing....
https://archive.org/details/WarTimeRadi ... aulTillich

Here is an example with some Holocaust relevance:
COLLECTIVE GUILT August 9, 1943
...All Germans have heard of the horrible crimes that have taken place in the concentration camps. But they hardened their hearts and did nothing and, as a result, made themselves culpable. Every German knew of the extermination campaign against Jewish people. Everyone knew Jewish people about whom he felt sorry, but no protest arose...
https://archive.org/details/WarTimeRadi ... aulTillich

How does he know that "ALL GERMANS" heard about the "crimes in concentration camps" and "knew about the extermination campaign against Jewish People"? Obviously he's lying for rhetorical reasons here. Of course most Germans would have known or heard of concentration camps and deportations. That still isn't all and it's even less "knowing about extermination". I'd like to see the original wording on this to assess the ambiguity of phrases being used.
About a week later he spins the story further.
Guilt— ATONEMENT— EXPIATION

August 16, 1943

...And today, when the trains with Germans who are fleeing from the cities roll from west to east, this is an atonement for the death trains that, filled with Jewish women and children and old people, drove out of all German cities from west to east to certain death. The German cities slept when the death trains rolled through their train stations with their bürden of indescribable misery. Now they are awoken by the fire from heaven; now their inhabitants themselves are filling the trains of misery.
It seems as if he's preparing the Germans to accept the crimes being committed against, as atonement for the still to be named "Holocaust". That's of course a convenient device for population control for any future occupation and hegemony.

Tillich extensively speaks about Jews and sometimes about extermination, but I don't find one place were gas chambers are mentioned. In fact given that his radio speeches were an appeal to Germans, he must have been kind of obsessed with the Jews. I wonder who did talk more about Jews, he or Goebbels? One would have to analyse the relevant texts further.

Feel free to go through the text, maybe we find something of use. Again, how did Tillich "know" about this supposed extermination, what were his sources? He was not present in Europe, hence how did he test the veracity of information played into his hands. I suppose he got his info via OWI, which was the propaganda arm of the American government. That leaves out several other hurdles. It's like the "Chinese Whispers" game, where a message is passed from one ear to the other. In the end you get something outlandishly different then the initial message. But apparently Tillich had an astonishingly naive faith in the American Government and it's agencies, something he himself accused his fellow Germans of.

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Re: Paul Tillich: An Allied Radio Propagandist against Germany

Postby Jurgen » 4 years 1 month ago (Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:40 pm)

Odd. Apparently all Germans knew of the exterminations, and yet others claim that it was so secret that noone knew about it.

How do Believers, such as Thames Darwin et al, reconcile this rather blatant contradiction?
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Re: Paul Tillich: An Allied Radio Propagandist against Germany

Postby Hieldner » 4 years 1 month ago (Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:18 pm)

Hektor wrote:Again, how did Tillich "know" about this supposed extermination, what were his sources?

Perhaps he learned it from the radio broadcasts of Thomas Mann who enlightened his BBC audience in January 1942 that the Germans had gassed hundreds of Jews and that they planned to exterminate the French, Poles, Serbs and others. Thomas Mann’s sources remain unknown, though the imagination of the Nobel laureate might have played a role.
Thomas Kues wrote:On 16 February 1942 the Romanian-Jewish Bucarest physician Emil Dorian entered into his diary:

“We have learned that a German industrial plant has developed a particularly powerful poison gas. Its efficiency was tested on four hundred Jewish youths picked up from a concentration camp. All of them died, of course. Soon afterward, Thomas Mann spoke on the American radio, denouncing this shameful crime and placing responsibility on the entire German nation (…).”

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Re: Paul Tillich: An Allied Radio Propagandist against Germany

Postby Hektor » 4 years 1 month ago (Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:27 pm)

Hieldner wrote:
Hektor wrote:Again, how did Tillich "know" about this supposed extermination, what were his sources?

Perhaps he learned it from the radio broadcasts of Thomas Mann who enlightened his BBC audience in January 1942 that the Germans had gassed hundreds of Jews and that they planned to exterminate the French, Poles, Serbs and others. Thomas Mann’s sources remain unknown, though the imagination of the Nobel laureate might have played a role.
Thomas Kues wrote:....

http://revblog.codoh.com/2010/08/thomas ... legations/


Yes, Thomas Mann was a writer, before he turned vassal to the Allied War Effort. I guess theology professors, who are also prolific writers, also got some talent in that direction. I wonder though, if it was just their imagination mutually stimulated, or if they've been fed information from some other agency. That is at least plausible, given that they were both seen as propaganda assets.

I've got no idea what they're distribution was, but can imagine that at was quite a number of people listening to those broadcasts. Not only in Germany, but in the neighboring (occupied countries as well). There were many more people then today that understood German, given that it was the language of the educated people who needed it to access scientific and philosophical literature. Mann and Tillich also had some stature as literates and Theologians, respect for authority was greater then than today. So that will have left some impression and with that in mind, real life events may also have been interpreted as "extermination of the Jews".

TMK, they never found the gassing plant Thomas Mann is hinting, too, right? I'd like to ask some German History Professors about this. Tillich doesn't mention gassing but machine gunning. A bit wasteful I think to kill people on mass that are in a standing controlled position.

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Re: Paul Tillich: An Allied Radio Propagandist against Germany

Postby Hektor » 3 years 8 months ago (Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:52 pm)

Jurgen wrote:Odd. Apparently all Germans knew of the exterminations, and yet others claim that it was so secret that noone knew about it.

How do Believers, such as Thames Darwin et al, reconcile this rather blatant contradiction?



Germans generally knew about deportations. Nothing strange in a war time situation, given that citizens are not only conscripted as soldiers, but also as labor. Children are sent to the countryside as protection against genocidal bombing.

Now insert extermination in the same vein and you get an ideal obfuscation. But my question is how would Tillich and Mann, both living in exile, know about this? What are their sources? How would they know that what their sources say is a matter fact and not just rumors? I mean they must have been confident enough that what their sources tell them is actually true. Otherwise it would be unethical to repetitively go on radio and spread major accusation about people in their home country, wouldn't it? Of course it could be that they were filled with hate against their nation and its government that they would do anything to smear it.

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Re: Paul Tillich: An Allied Radio Propagandist against Germany

Postby Kingfisher » 3 years 8 months ago (Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:39 am)

A side issue to the main point of this thread is that the British Fascist William Joyce, nicknamed "Lord Hawhaw", was executed by the Allies for doing what Tillich and Mann did, despite his taking German citizenship.

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Re: Paul Tillich: An Allied Radio Propagandist against Germany

Postby Myths2LiveBy » 3 years 8 months ago (Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:12 am)

Jurgen wrote:Odd. Apparently all Germans knew of the exterminations, and yet others claim that it was so secret that noone knew about it.

How do Believers, such as Thames Darwin et al, reconcile this rather blatant contradiction?


Where did Tillich get his information that was "so true?"
If Allies knew of these things that were happening to innocent people, why did Ike hold Allied forces back for so long, allowing those people to continue to suffer? Didn't he feel that librul Responsibility 2 Protect thingy?

I'm reading Peter Hayes' "Why? Explaining the Holocaust." It describes camps minimally protected -- just a few guards, or no guards and scant wire; ability of inmates to go into town, etc. If Tillich knew about the ghastly conditions in camps that means Allies must have told him. If Allies told him, that means they knew, and knew how easily the camps could have been overrun. Why didn't they? Why did they wait until so many people starved to death?

--> In the film, "Ritchie Boys" (young German Jewish immigrants who trained at Ft. Ritchie, Military Intelligence Training camp near Gettysburg, PA, hence the name) one of the German-Jews who became an interrogator/propagandist for US military , infiltrated into Germany, tells of visiting Auschwitz. His job was to get information about production processes in the camp -- US/Allies wanted to preserve camps that were producing V-2 and other hi tech materiel because they had promised it to the Soviets, or because Americans were invested in it. THAT's why Auschwitz was not "bombed."

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Re: Paul Tillich: An Allied Radio Propagandist against Germany

Postby Myths2LiveBy » 3 years 8 months ago (Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:20 am)

PS The thing about all the means, methods and media used to reinforce holocaustism is that there is so much of it, and so much of it is spun out of thin air, that it is self-contradictory. I read almost exclusively Jewish-produced writing, etc. After awhile you recognize that you're reading a script; or you realize that Author A contradicts Author B. If they are consistent, they are so consistent that it must be a collaboration.

A second thing, from long-ago Psychology 101: something that is over-reinforced will eventually be rejected. So keep it up!

Third thing: in this 2011 panel discussion, a college-age Jewish girl, raised in Israel but now in college in USA, is near tears as she says, "We were lied to." (~45 min iirc) She's treated gently by panel, but at the end of the video, a 'perception manager' reframes her thinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmkmwuDAy90 It's fascinating.

People will eventually realized they have been lied to, and they will come to resent it.


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