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Sobibor Jew corpses claimed here, so why don't they excavate, verify, & show the world? !!!

Postby Hannover » 1 year 8 months ago (Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:03 pm)

At Sobibor, this is where the alleged remains of "250,000 Jews" supposedly are:

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At Sobibor there is a pile of ashes in a memorial, which is shown in the photo [below]. This memorial contains the ashes left from the bodies of 170,000 to 250,000 prisoners.

So why don't we see them?

Why do Zionist 'archaeologists' avoid excavating, verifying, displaying the alleged contents there?

Why does the tall tale say that 'the Germans tried to erase every shred of proof in order to cover up their crime', yet allegedly left massive remains laying around at Sobibor? see below

The rationally minded want to know.

http://freetheinternetfromdenial.wesign.it/en
the Nazis tried to erase every shred of proof in order to cover up their crime.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/0 ... 05029.html
[Sobibor] the camp was destroyed as the Nazis attempted to hide all traces of its murderous past.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/1110 ... bibor.html
[Sobibor] an extermination camp that was destroyed by the Nazis to cover up evidence of their crimes.

http://www.historynet.com/did-hitler-si ... e-jews.htm
throughout their retreat the Nazis meticulously destroyed such documents along with, whenever they could, all physical evidence that death camps such as Sobibor had ever existed.

- Hannover

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable 'holocaust' storyline is the message.


If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Sobibor Jew corpses claimed here, so why don't they excavate, verify, & show the world? !!!

Postby Atigun » 1 year 8 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:54 am)

At another forum, Nessie is particularly enamored of the so-called scientists at Sobibor who can tell at a glance whether or not a strata of earth is made up of human cremains. Who could doubt the veracity of such "qualified authorities?"

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Postby hermod » 1 year 8 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:19 am)

Hannover wrote:Why do Zionist 'archaeologists' avoid excavating, verifying, displaying the alleged contents there?


For the same reason as that for which no illusionist will ever let you check his hat... :wink:

Exterminationist-like similar fallacy: You can't see any elephant in my room because I have successfully hidden it before you came.
Occam's razor demolition of this dumb childish fallacy: You can' see any elephant in my room because there was never any. Why would I keep an elephant in my house?
"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

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Postby Nessie.. » 1 year 8 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:16 am)

Atigun wrote:At another forum, Nessie is particularly enamored of the so-called scientists at Sobibor who can tell at a glance whether or not a strata of earth is made up of human cremains. Who could doubt the veracity of such "qualified authorities?"


They are not just telling "at a glance". They excavated and examine what they find and their training means they can identify bone and ash by visual examination. That is because they are trained and qualified archaeologists.

You called then "pseudo" without evidencing why.

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Postby Dresden » 1 year 8 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:10 pm)

hermod said:

"Exterminationist-like similar fallacy: You can't see any elephant in my room because I have successfully hidden it before you came.
Occam's razor demolition of this dumb childish fallacy: You can' see any elephant in my room because there was never any. Why would I keep an elephant in my house?"


And, how could the Elephant have fit through the door?

The Hoaxers would say:

"The house was built around the Elephant; but it's against our "religion" to let you look in the room.....People looking in the room would hurt the Elephant's feelings.....everyone KNOWS there's an Elephant in the room"
Maybe, just maybe, they believe what they are telling you about the 'holocaust', but maybe, just maybe, their contempt for your intelligence and your character is beyond anything you could ever have imagined. -- Bradley Smith

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Postby hermod » 1 year 8 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:54 pm)

Steve F wrote:And, how could the Elephant have fit through the door?

The Hoaxers would say:

"The house was built around the Elephant; but it's against our "religion" to let you look in the room.....People looking in the room would hurt the Elephant's feelings.....everyone KNOWS there's an Elephant in the room"


And they would probably add:

One should not ask how the Elephant could technically fit through the door. It could technically fit through the door because it was inside the room. There is no debate regarding the Elephant in that room, and there can never be one.
"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

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Postby Tomt » 1 year 8 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:57 pm)

Nessie.. wrote:
Atigun wrote:At another forum, Nessie is particularly enamored of the so-called scientists at Sobibor who can tell at a glance whether or not a strata of earth is made up of human cremains. Who could doubt the veracity of such "qualified authorities?"


They are not just telling "at a glance". They excavated and examine what they find and their training means they can identify bone and ash by visual examination. That is because they are trained and qualified archaeologists.

You called then "pseudo" without evidencing why.


I would not say it's pseudo but just like in a trial they are being paid by the prosecution or defense. No unbiased person will touch this subject with a ten foot pole because of the career ending ramifications.

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Postby Atigun » 1 year 8 months ago (Sun Aug 28, 2016 12:02 am)

Is it "pseudo?" Well, this is like in a courtroom where the prosecutor holds up a bag of dirt and says, "Here are the remains of the deceased." The defense would say, "Well, let's see your chain of evidence and the laboratory analysis of that material." At that point, the prosecutor holds up the bag and says that he got it from a qualified archeologist. At that point the prosecutor simply says, "Your Honor, the prosecution can show no chain of evidence or any laboratory analysis of a sackful of dirt. Please dismiss." The judge then says, "Dismissed."

Whether you want to call it "pseudo" or simply charlatans at work doesn't really make that much difference.

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Postby HeiligeSturm » 1 year 8 months ago (Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:06 pm)

Good questions indeed.

Interesting chutzpah from former Auschwitz inmates at
http://freetheinternetfromdenial.wesign.it/en
This is what they really fear:
The Internet has become the main source of information for new generations

This is why:
People do not believe anymore in horror books like e.g. Escape from Sobibor or it's TV movie version.
People do not believe anymore in the claim that the camp was razed to the ground by the Germans.
Story turned out be quite different as pointed out by Hannover.
The camp was covered with ground. Who did that?
Are the Germans to blame for that?
The Soviets had much more time to do whatever they wanted with all the camps they "liberated" and discovered.

Auschwitz was the first ship to sink when facts replaced the fiction and other ships have sunken since...
That is what the believers are afraid. Their stories do not hold.

Somehow they seem to have found cremation pits to gather remains to monument which is called Mound of ashes.
How can we really be sure there is even ash and bone fragments of humans? Especially Jews?

It seems that archaeologists don't want to get their financiers anger upon them.
They can hide behind the Jewish burial laws and most mainstream historians silently accept it.
They don't demand scientific evidence. They do not dare.
As probably most of CODOH forum members know, Jewish burial law allows to dig up corpses,
move them to another burial place and bless them again. They do it elsewhere but for some curious reason
not near the "Death camps". That law didn't forbid them to bury bars of soap as Jews.
That law didn't forbid Lucy Werber to be cremated and his son to spread ashes to site of Treblinka camp.
(Traditionally, Jewish law is against cremation.)
Modern Israelis seem to be very kosher who is a Jew and who is not. They use scientific methods in Israel for that.
http://jlb.oxfordjournals.org/content/e ... sv027.full
But not when it comes to their holiest - Holocaust and it's victims.

They enforce laws to forbid questioning the Holocaust before they let anyone investigate and publish what is the truth.
Interestingly, Free The Internet From Denial ! petition site has Italian Internet country code...
(though run by French Union of Jewish Students (UEJF) and Union of former Inmates from Auschwitz )
Italy just LOST the right to investigate that part of history. I hope Carlo Mattogno finds a way to continue his work.

Free The Internet From Denial ! petition site is in itself a hate filled site listing denial movement among child pornography...
That is seriously quite offensive comparison from the people who believe in David Olere's horror filled pornographic art.
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=56426#p56426

We should demand that the main social networks assume their responsibilities, and ban Holocaust pornography within their terms of use.
I agree what they wrote on their site as it is the only rational statement there:
The historical truth requires every responsible citizen to acknowledge and uphold it. It is high time that all people of good will, from all nations, regardless of whether they are simple users, architects or investors of the Internet, commit to the defence of truth. If it is the case that the Internet is our shared good, it relies on every one of us for truth to triumph over lies.


People are starting to wake from slumber!
Truth does not fear investigation!
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Postby CWhite » 1 year 5 months ago (Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:03 pm)

Nessie.. wrote:
Atigun wrote:At another forum, Nessie is particularly enamored of the so-called scientists at Sobibor who can tell at a glance whether or not a strata of earth is made up of human cremains. Who could doubt the veracity of such "qualified authorities?"


They are not just telling "at a glance". They excavated and examine what they find and their training means they can identify bone and ash by visual examination. That is because they are trained and qualified archaeologists.

You called then "pseudo" without evidencing why.


Nessie, has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Yoram Haimi uncovered 10 human skeletons in 4 graves during his excavations at Sobibor?

A simple Yes. or No. will suffice.

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Postby Atigun » 1 year 5 months ago (Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:37 pm)

Nessie.. wrote:
Atigun wrote:At another forum, Nessie is particularly enamored of the so-called scientists at Sobibor who can tell at a glance whether or not a strata of earth is made up of human cremains. Who could doubt the veracity of such "qualified authorities?"


They are not just telling "at a glance". They excavated and examine what they find and their training means they can identify bone and ash by visual examination. That is because they are trained and qualified archaeologists.

You called then "pseudo" without evidencing why.


There is no substitute for laboratory testing. Haimi said that one sample of "reddish brown" earth had been sent to a laboratory but no results were ever published. Haimi offers no proof whatsoever of his "finds" beyond, "I done seen it." Haimi has also said that he isn't at Sobibor to prove that the holyhoax actually happened. For him, it's a done deal and anything that he discovers is, by definition, "proof" of the holyhoax. No other explanations need apply. All of Haimi's claims/conclusions come from his a priori belief that the holyhoax actually occurred. That is why I refer to him as a pseudo scientist. Anything that doesn't fit his preconceived conclusions is ignored like the laboratory testing of his "reddish earth."

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Postby Nessie.. » 1 year 5 months ago (Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:46 am)

The question raised by CWhite, the answer is yes.

Atigun, I have no problem with lab testing and do not know what happened to the samples sent by Haimi. I also have no problem with his a priori conclusion Sobibor was a death camp before he excavated. In the same way I have no problem with archaeological work in Belgium of trenches and fortifications where the a priori belief is they were from WWI.

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Postby CWhite » 1 year 5 months ago (Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:54 pm)

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Postby CWhite » 1 year 5 months ago (Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:09 pm)

Q: Nessie, has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Yoram Haimi uncovered 10 human skeletons in 4 graves during his excavations at Sobibor?

Nessie's answer:

"The question raised by CWhite, the answer is yes."

Thank you.

Follow up question:

Nessie, are you aware of any other graves at Sobibor that Yoram Haim excavated?


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