Germany's "other genocide": Namibia

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Germany's "other genocide": Namibia

Postby Callahan » 1 year 3 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:34 am)

Last month, a spokesman for Angela Merkel has indicated that the German chancellor will "formally recognize and apologize for the systematic murder of Namibia’s Herero people more than a century ago". Here is the article:

http://qz.com/733463/germany-finally-ap ... ury-later/

Germany will finally apologize for its other genocide. In a landmark admission of historical guilt, chancellor Angela Merkel said her country will formally recognize and apologize for the systematic murder of Namibia’s Herero people more than a century ago.

Germany’s federal government is in talks with the Namibian government to finalize a common language and policy around the hitherto almost ignored mass killing, the chancellor’s office said this week according to AFP. Still, Merkel’s government was clear that there would be no reparations, but rather targeted development projects.

“On the question of whether there could be reparations or legal consequences, there are none. The apology does not come with any consequences on how we deal with the history and portray it,” Sawsan Chebli, Merkel’s spokeswoman, told reporters.

The genocide is widely viewed as the first of the twentieth century, perpetrated from 1904 to 1907, but is rarely recognized. Historians believe that the atrocities perpetrated by the German troops became a precursor for those perpetrated during the Holocaust. The parallels between Germany’s two genocides are chillingly similar: the extermination order for the sake of expansion, forced labor in concentration camps and scientific experiments on prisoners.

Within three years, German troops oversaw the extermination of 85% of the Herero population, expropriated their land and seized their source of wealth, their cattle. Today, the once powerful Herero make up about 10% of Namibia’s population and live in some of the country’s most underdeveloped regions, struggling with high youth unemployment.

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A descendant looks at a recently erected monument to the Herero. (EPA/Stephanie Pilick)

A former German minister first apologized to the Namibians twelve years ago. A hundred years after the systematic killing of the Namibian tribes began, Germany’s then development minister Heidemarie Wieczorek-Zeul travelled to Namibia in 2004 and acknowledged the atrocities committed were in fact genocide. It would take another decade before genocide would enter Germany’s policy towards Namibia.

A century before, another German official was sent to Africa to suppress local revolt against German colonialism. General Lothar von Trotha arrived in what was then South-West Africa to quell a rebellion by the Herero and Nama ethnic groups. The Herero were until then one of the region’s wealthiest tribes, their cattle roaming over a third of Namibia’s vast countryside. Until van Trotha’s arrival, they had managed to keep German colonial expansion at bay.

“The Herero people will have to leave the country. If the people refuse I will force them with cannons to do so. Within the German boundaries, every Herero, with or without firearms, with or without cattle, will be shot. I won’t accommodate women and children anymore. I shall drive them back to their people or I shall give the order to shoot at them,” van Trotha ordered.

The Herero faced the German onslaught with little more than spears, bows and a few rifles. Those who weren’t killed were driven into the desert. There, German troops sealed off the perimeter, poisoned their wells and bayoneted anyone who tried to escape dehydration, known as “march into death” for the Herero.

Those who survived the desert were herded into concentration camps and were forced to dig up Herero graves to retrieve the skulls of their dead relatives. Women were forced to skin and boil the skulls, which were used in German experiments to prove Aryan superiority and African inferiority. Of the more than 80,000 Herero population, only 15,000 survived.

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The skulls of some of the Herero were returned from Berln in 2004. (EPA/Rainer Jensen)

Those skulls were returned in 2004, according to a report then by the Associated Press. The pain of an unacknowledged atrocity was still fresh, with tears and anger as the remains of their ancestors were brought home. Today, Namibia is a fast developing country, with a sound economic policy diversifying from diamonds and other commodities to renewable energy and tourism. Still, many of the country’s historical pains must still be dealt with.

An image featured in the article reminds me of a certain Buchenwald exhibit:

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Re: Germany's "other genocide": Namibia

Postby Breker » 1 year 3 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:16 am)

Reads like something made up in an Israeli junior high school.
We see no proof, just like the daft '6,000,000'.
And this is the best they can do for a 'genocide' of "85% of the Herero". Two skulls, origin unproven.

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Same old same old.
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Revisionists are just the messengers, the impossibility of the "Holocaust" narrative is the message.

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Re: Germany's "other genocide": Namibia

Postby Inquisitor » 1 year 3 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:46 am)

The parallels between Germany’s two genocides are chillingly similar


Indeed the are - though I'd prefer they say suspiciously, rather than "chillingly" similar!

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Re: Germany's "other genocide": Namibia

Postby Landulf » 1 year 3 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:07 am)

Yea right, maybe people should expose more of real colonial genocide committed by the british, french and belgians.

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Re: Germany's "other genocide": Namibia

Postby Hektor » 1 year 3 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:11 am)

Inquisitor wrote:
The parallels between Germany’s two genocides are chillingly similar


Indeed the are - though I'd prefer they say suspiciously, rather than "chillingly" similar!

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Correct, we dealt with it in the past:
viewtopic.php?t=8099

Interestingly, if there was any attempt of Genocide it was from the Herero side against the Germans. It started with an attack on civilians incited by Samuel Maharero. But of course that isn't even worth mentioning . There was no intention to exterminate the Herero from the German side.

Maybe this breaks the camel's neck. Since I think that politically it can be easier shown that the Herero-genocide story is bullshit than that's the case with the emotionally more charged Holocaust. And, if that's recognized as a lie, other questions can rise.

The BRD-Regime refused to call this genocide in the past.

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Re: Germany's "other genocide": Namibia

Postby hermod » 1 year 3 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:35 am)

Hektor wrote:Correct, we dealt with it in the past:
viewtopic.php?t=8099


Indeed, we did.

Claus Nordbuch's book should have put this hoax to death once and for all.

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But professional liars don't care about debunkings. They just keep repeating the same lies on and on until they are finally believed.

During WW2, some British propagandists tried to revive the 'Bluebook' on Namibia for anti-German atrocity propaganda purposes, and the British Foreign Office (which held the 'report' at that time) replied that it was inadvisable because "It (the Bluebook) was composed in the heat of the last war," "and it is historically somewhat suspect." Historically too suspect even for British officials during a world war against Germany!! Very telling...

IMO, Merkel just thought that another layer of anti-German guilt-tripping propaganda over the previous one could help the Germans to shut up and receive their new compatriots from Syria and Iraq (including the millions to come in the coming months and years) with a larger smile on their face. Fake genocides sold in order to force a real one. With such vicious leaders, nobody needs enemies abroad...
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Re: Germany's "other genocide": Namibia

Postby Hektor » 1 year 3 months ago (Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:10 pm)

hermod wrote:
Hektor wrote:Correct, we dealt with it in the past:
viewtopic.php?t=8099


Indeed, we did.

Claus Nordbuch's book should have put this hoax to death once and for all.

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But professional liars don't care about debunkings. They just keep repeating the same lies on and on until they are finally believed.
An interesting part is that there are actually two sources for the Herero-"genocide" narrative. The Blue Book and some DDR-Historian, which essentially means a Communist propagandist.


hermod wrote:During WW2, some British propagandists tried to revive the 'Bluebook' on Namibia for anti-German atrocity propaganda purposes, and the British Foreign Office (which held the 'report' at that time) replied that it was inadvisable because "It (the Bluebook) was composed in the heat of the last war," "and it is historically somewhat suspect." Historically too suspect even for British officials during a world war against Germany!! Very telling...
The British Propaganda came under some suspicion during and after First World War. That's why they were a bit more careful with the Second World War. They didn't improve on honesty though, just on improving their techniques.


hermod wrote:IMO, Merkel just thought that another layer of anti-German guilt-tripping propaganda over the previous one could help the Germans to shut up and receive their new compatriots from Syria and Iraq (including the millions to come in the coming months and years) with a larger smile on their face. Fake genocides sold in order to force a real one. With such vicious leaders, nobody needs enemies abroad...

That's how it appears to me as well. It should be noted that even the BRD-officials were a bit reluctant on the whole issue at first. I think the Greens and the Left (former Communist Party of the DDR) were the only party pushing this, but they would push anything the could anyway.

Taken there were also some publicly paid (meaning with money extracted from common Germans) Historians that took interest in this as a matter to establish "continuity" insinuating that "genocide" is something inherently German. Notice what that's going to? They somehow realize that their evidence for the dogmatic Holocaust isn't all that good, so to get more credibility for it, they pull out another "genocide" and claim "continuity".

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Re: Germany's "other genocide": Namibia

Postby phdnm » 1 year 1 month ago (Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:39 am)

Latest news

Germany had not only apologised to the Jews for the Holocaust, but had also paid reparations, Rukoro said.


They learned their lesson well :wink:

Indigenous Namibians furious over German reparations 'insult'

2016-10-17

BERLIN — Indigenous Namibians lashed out on Friday at Germany for refusing to pay reparations for the genocide of their people a century ago, calling it a “phenomenal” insult to victims' descendants.

Germany has been in negotiations with its former colony Namibia over a joint declaration on the massacre of the Nama and Herero people in 1904 to 1908, which would include an apology for the mass killings.

But Berlin has repeatedly refused to pay reparations. It argues that hundreds of millions of euros it has contributed to development aid since Namibia's independence from South Africa in 1990 was for the benefit of all Namibians.

Leaders of both Namibian indigenous groups said they would not accept any apology not backed by reparations..

This is because it “would seriously constitute a phenomenal insult to the intelligence, not only of the Namibians and the descendants of the victim communities, but to Africans in general,” said Vekuii Rukoro, the paramount chief of the Ovaherero people.

“It would represent the most insensitive political statement ever to have been made by an aggressor nation to the victims of its genocide,” he added.

Germany had not only apologised to the Jews for the Holocaust, but had also paid reparations, Rukoro said.

“Because we have a different skin colour, the German government is saying to us: 'it's only an apology and that's it',” he stated, adding that the “rest will be cheque-book diplomacy through our government, which will be given development assistance, and then we must shut up.”

“Guess what? The Hereros and Namas of Namibia, victims of genocide, will not ever, in another 100 years to come, accept that,” he stressed.

Berlin ruled what was then called South-West Africa as a colony from 1884 to 1915.

Incensed by German settlers stealing their land and cattle and taking their women, the Herero people launched a revolt in January 1904, with warriors killing 123 German civilians over several days. The Nama tribe joined the uprising in 1905.

The colonial rulers responded ruthlessly, and general Lothar von Trotha signed a notorious extermination order against the Hereros.

Rounded up in prison camps, captured Namas and Hereros died from malnutrition and severe weather. Dozens were beheaded.

After their deaths, their skulls were sent to German researchers in Berlin for “scientific” experiments.

Up to 80 000 Hereros lived in Namibia when the uprising began. Only 15 000 survived the genocide.


http://www.namibian.com.na/46819/read/I ... ons-insult

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Re: Germany's "other genocide": Namibia

Postby Hektor » 1 year 1 month ago (Mon Oct 17, 2016 5:24 am)

phdnm wrote:Latest news

Germany had not only apologised to the Jews for the Holocaust, but had also paid reparations, Rukoro said.


They learned their lesson well :wink:
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Let's hope that those "Herero representatives" go completely over the top with their claims and demands. That may in fact rock the Holocaust boat for good.

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Re: Germany's "other genocide": Namibia

Postby Hektor » 1 week 3 days ago (Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:35 pm)

Breker wrote:Reads like something made up in an Israeli junior high school.
We see no proof, just like the daft '6,000,000'.
And this is the best they can do for a 'genocide' of "85% of the Herero". Two skulls, origin unproven.

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Same old same old.
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Indeed. A lot of innuendo to get the feeling of it. And of course this is also used to make the Holocaust more plausible. Just as this BBC "documentary" tries to do:



They may raise the issue at this conference: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11515


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