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Re: re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Hektor » 1 year 2 months ago (Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:48 am)

OK, lets talk. Perhaps Mr Hoffman or others that have extensive archives could make use of that service as well. It helps to put eggs into baskets. Many eggs into many baskets that is.

I'd be interested into having as many scans of primary documents, photos, film footage, speeches, etc. online.

My preference is to show as much as possible and let people draw their own conclusions.

The Court historian tactic was until now. Show as much irrelevant first hand stuff and some controversial excerpts to the public and let it be accompanied by emotional moralizing and accusation.

But history is not pin pointed excerpts of single events. They themselves have a long prehistory.

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby hermod » 1 year 1 month ago (Sun Oct 16, 2016 7:01 pm)

"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Michael Hoffman » 1 year 1 month ago (Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:19 pm)

Latest news on David Irving and Lipstadt as of Oct. 20, 2016

By Michael Hoffman
http://www.RevisionistHistory.org

The “Holocaust” movie “Denial” — starring the glamorous beauty Rachel Weisz as Deborah Lipstadt, and a ferret-faced actor known for villainous roles, as David Irving — opens nationwide in the U.S. tomorrow, Oct 21. This flick is a flop: thus far, since it debuted in select cities on Sept. 30, it has earned a dismal $942,664. It looks as though its future will consist mainly of classroom screenings where students hostage to International Holohoax Week will be sentenced to sit through it, and afterward write conformist term papers in line with its Tinseltown trompe l'oeil.

Is it not highly revealing, and downright hilarious, that our enemies attempt to defeat revisionist history by means of Hollywood movies rather than free and fair debate? Deborah Lipstadt wouldn’t be able to competently debate David Irving for five minutes. It would be the equivalent of having a custard pie pushed in her face, which is why she dared not take the stand and undergo Irving’s cross-examination during the libel trial (the movie claims that she was forbidden from doing so by her lawyers).

The custard pie analogy is apropos, in that Prof. Lipstadt knows next to nothing about her subject matter. She has the prestige she does based on media tricks of omission and monopolization. The powerful revisionist case is either omitted or burlesqued, while her point of view is the one favorably publicized.

By way of rebuttal, historian-scientist Germar Rudolf has penned Fail: "Denying the Holocaust” — How Deborah Lipstadt Botched Her Attempt to Demonstrate the Growing Assault on Truth and Memory [https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asin=B01LOY9MD6&preview=newtab&linkCode=kpe&ref_=cm_sw_r_kb_dp_OtscybKYEBBY5] which we recommend highly.

Moreover, whatever David Irving’s serious shortcomings vis a vis his defense of Adolf Hitler (and we think they are many), as a military historian of the World War II Atlantic theatre, he is without peer. As a young man he made his mark in historiography with his classic, The Destruction of Dresden and he remains the foremost authority on the contentious issue of the bombing of cities during that war: who started it, and how it was undertaken.

Last year Mr. Irving gave a speech on the so-called “Battle of Britain" to a history group in England, and this brilliant talk can be viewed online [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcBVkzpYznM]. The media declares that he is a “disgraced” author, but in this lecture one sees a champion of suppressed truth, on his steed jousting full tilt at the reigning stupidities that pass for “proven fact” in this new dark age, in which the religion of Holocaustianity holds dominion over the mind of man as surely as papalolatry once did.

In his videotaped talk Irving respectfully pays tribute to the valor of the wartime Royal Air Force (RAF) and its commander, Sir Arthur Harris. The mendacious British mainstream media, in headlines, subsequently reported to the British public that Irving had disgraced the RAF, and denounced its airmen as war criminals in the course of his talk [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3174697/The-return-New-Nazis-Notorious-Holocaust-denier-David-Irving-tells-secret-rally-RAF-war-criminals.html].

The great thing about demonstrably false media lies like that one, is that they prove beyond any doubt that our enemies traffic in brazen deceit as the principal method by which they sustain their pious orthodoxies.

Do yourself a favor by taking the time to listen to Irving's speech on YouTube. You will, in the course of about an hour, obtain the best possible education on the secret history of the air war over Britain and Germany.

Finally, it is unfortunate that relatively few people are aware that Saint Deborah Lipstadt branded Irving with a hate speech epithet, “Amalek.” Her hate speech should not be forgotten or papered over, until she retracts what amounts to a shameful death threat, as we documented in our talk, “Lipstadt, Irving and Amalek,” which also available for viewing on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8GB_8WCmyU

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby onetruth » 1 year 1 month ago (Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:19 am)

Michael Hoffman wrote:Do yourself a favor by taking the time to listen to Irving's speech on YouTube. You will, in the course of about an hour, obtain the best possible education on the secret history of the air war over Britain and Germany.


Mr Hoffman ,

I wonder if you you can clear the following point to us.

Is it not true , that you , like David Irving today , admit to mass killing of Jews by the nazis ?

Have you not stated the following :

"Judaic people suffered severe and unconscionable persecution during World War II, including mass murder at the hands of the Nazis. I deplore these crimes and the criminal Nazi ideology which inspired and directed them. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_A ... te_note-11

can you clear out this point ?

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Michael Hoffman » 1 year 1 month ago (Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:48 pm)

Dear “Onetruth”

1. I believe that Judaic persons were mass murdered by Einsatzgruppen units following the NS invasion of Russia, and I believe that Judaic people were mass murdered in the ghettos of the Eastern territories.

2. I do not believe anyone was ever gassed to death at Auschwitz-Birkenau. I have been a skeptic in this regard since 1969, when, as an adolescent, I obtained a copy of David Hoggan's The Myth of the Six Million.

3. I don’t know what happened at Treblinka, Sobibor and Chelmno, but predicated on the available evidence thus far presented, I have misgivings about the execution gassing claims made for those sites.

4. With regard to World War II historiography, my primary interest is in the psychology and epistemology of “Holocaust” Newspeak.

I have been working for nearly four years on a large book devoted to crafting a new history of the Catholic Church in the Renaissance. I cannot afford to take the time to undertake a debate concerning my views of National Socialist mass murder during World War II.

Moreover, when and if I would have time to undertake such an exchange or debate, I would not do so in an Internet forum. With all due respect to Codoh, my experience has been that sites that permit posts by anonymous persons attract a fairly sizable number of trolls who are not interested in truly sharing knowledge about substantive issues, but have a psychological need to engage in ad hominem attack and calumny, which strikes this writer as having parallels with the Zionist and Talmudic mentality.

Furthermore, while I am not in contact and have little or nothing in common with David Cole or Mark Weber, if I am not mistaken it seems that those individuals believe that the NS government was guilty of the mass murder of Judaic persons, and though I certainly do not presume to speak for them, it may be possible that one or the other of these gentlemen might perhaps be willing to dialogue or debate with you concerning this matter. I don't know. You would have to ask them.

For your information, on Sept. 29, 2016, Mr. Cole published a column titled "Denial is Dead" (http://takimag.com/article/denial_is_dead_david_cole/print).

I disagree with the tenor of Cole's column, as well as several points he attempts to assert. I bring the column to your attention because it would seem that Mr. Cole is a prominent part of the revise-the-revisionists trend. His criticisms, despite the regrettable tone he adopts, are worthy of serious consideration. Informed criticism can only make WWII revisionism stronger.

I hope revisionism, which is an intellectual adventure engaged in perpetual questioning, investigating and seeking, will never become a dogma captive to propaganda needs related to rehabilitating the reputation of Adolf Hitler, or any of the other agendas both overt and covert that threaten its great mission of opposition to all dogma.

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Hannover » 1 year 1 month ago (Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:11 pm)

Michael Hoffmann, you said
. I believe that Judaic persons were mass murdered by Einsatzgruppen units following the NS invasion of Russia, and I believe that Judaic people were mass murdered in the ghettos of the Eastern territories.

You are hereby challenged. And please, no dodging.

Seriously? Based upon what proof?

The Indu$try claims that ca. 2,000,000 Jews were killed by the Einsatzgruppen, so please show us the excavated enormous mass graves that are claimed to exist and their locations allegedly known.
Is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?

'Mass murder in the ghettos'?
How?
By who?
How many?
When?
Again, show us the massive remains of Jews that would necessarily exist if your beliefs are factual.

David Cole basically is playing the 'holocau$t' lite game, like Irving and yourself.
I recommend you read these before attempting to defend your position.

'Eric Hunt's response to David Cole'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8744
and:
'Irving's 'holocaust' lite / but what '2.4 million document'?'
viewtopic.php?t=4548
and:
'Irving attempts 'rehabilitation' via the Hoefle Telegram'
viewtopic.php?t=4558
and:
'Grubach's Letters to David Irving on the Hoefle telegram'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4563

Thanks, Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Hektor » 1 year 1 month ago (Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:40 pm)

Hanover, I think it's safe to say that the Holocaust Industry has inflated claims on Jewish mortality figures during world war two - be that now "killed" or otherwise "died". As for the Einsatzgruppen they were founded to secure the rear of the Wehrmacht. Essentially clear the Area from Partisans and Communists, who frequently were of Jewish extraction. I'd guess the methods dealing with them were not always too nice.

Well, but then the Partisans weren't too nice to prisoners neither, right? Or how did the Americans deal with Viet Cong, The French with Insurgents in Algeria. The Jews with Palestinians until the present day? And then we don't count the conflicts were Communists involved themselves with "creating a better society for all".

Anyway, guessing alone isn't enough. I'd like to see some hard evidence for any claim regarding Einsatzgruppen killings. In that I join the request.

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Hannover » 1 year 1 month ago (Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:49 pm)

Hektor wrote:Hanover, I think it's safe to say that the Holocaust Industry has inflated claims on Jewish mortality figures during world war two - be that now "killed" or otherwise "died". As for the Einsatzgruppen they were founded to secure the rear of the Wehrmacht. Essentially clear the Area from Partisans and Communists, who frequently were of Jewish extraction. I'd guess the methods dealing with them were not always too nice.

Well, but then the Partisans weren't too nice to prisoners neither, right? Or how did the Americans deal with Viet Cong, The French with Insurgents in Algeria. The Jews with Palestinians until the present day? And then we don't count the conflicts were Communists involved themselves with "creating a better society for all".

Anyway, guessing alone isn't enough. I'd like to see some hard evidence for any claim regarding Einsatzgruppen killings. In that I join the request.

I have no doubt that the Einsatzgrupen shot non-uniformed terrorists / 'partisans', it was the norm in all wars by everyone involved and was legal under international law.

Also, the fact that Jews were heavily represented in these terrorist groups is well established.

Of course one is left wondering why these Jews didn't man up and join the Red Army. Hmm.

Having said that, it appears that we are talking apples & Hoffmann is talking oranges. His claims:
... Judaic persons were mass murdered by Einsatzgruppen units following the NS invasion of Russia, and I believe that Judaic people were mass murdered in the ghettos of the Eastern territories.
are altogether different and unsupportable.

I await his response.

Thanks, Hannover

Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

"Truth is hate to those who hate the truth."

Dare to examine the absurd & laughable 'holocaust' storyline rationally, logically, scientifically and it falls apart like the house-of-cards that it is.
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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Michael Hoffman » 1 year 4 weeks ago (Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:01 pm)

“Denial” movie contra David Irving backfires

By Michael Hoffman
http://www.RevisionistHistory.org

Last weekend we managed to see Hollywood's “Denial” movie about David Irving’s libel suit in British court against American Prof. Deborah Lipstadt. Our full review will appear in the November issue of Revisionist History newsletter.

For those of you who don’t subscribe to our newsletter, here is a capsule verdict: the movie is so incompetent (in addition to being snooze-inducing), that it will mainly increase public curiosity about the Leuchter Report’s [https://www.amazon.com/Leuchter-Reports-Critical-Holocaust-Handbooks/dp/159148118X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1477318298&sr=1-1&keywords=Leuchter+Report] crucial significance to Auschwitz studies, the Zundel trial [https://read.amazon.com/kp/embed?asin=B01M17JPK8&preview=newtab&linkCode=kpe&ref_=cm_sw_r_kb_dp_HBHdyb8SQ7YFV&reshareId=E1VDRJ9MPFSXVA8EFNEA&reshareChannel=system], Irving’s work [http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/index.html], and his deservedly lofty status as a military historian.

While the film’s production values are high and the cast is A-list, the director is no Spielberg and consequently the movie backfires. “Denial” gives new impetus to World War II revisionism, which heretofore was assumed by the public to be a coterie of drooling cranks and crackpots. Even in a movie that detests Mr. Irving, he nonetheless comes off as a formidable advocate. Thank you, Hollywood!

Among the sparse audience at the screening we attended in Spokane, Washington, from snatches of conversation we overheard afterward from those not wearing yarmulkes, in general they were left dissatisfied and confused by the film.

Subscribe toRevisionist History newsletter and start your subscription with issue no. 87, due to be published in November: http://truthfulhistory.blogspot.com/2016/03/subscribe-to-revisionist-history.html _____________

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Hannover » 1 year 4 weeks ago (Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:25 pm)

Michael Hoffmann, why are you dodging the posted challenges put to you concerning your statement?
I believe that Judaic persons were mass murdered by Einsatzgruppen units following the NS invasion of Russia, and I believe that Judaic people were mass murdered in the ghettos of the Eastern territories.

Dodging is not permitted at this forum, please read the forum guidelines that you agreed to.

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Michael Hoffman » 1 year 3 weeks ago (Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:31 pm)

Hannover:

Why, because I replied to one question, am I obligated to reply to another that has little to do with the subject of Lipstadt and her terming Irving as Amalek? This is the Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving section of the CODOH forum.

Re-read the following statement of mine. You are dodging it:

I have been working for nearly four years on a large book devoted to crafting a new history of the Catholic Church in the Renaissance. I cannot afford to take the time to undertake a debate concerning my views of National Socialist mass murder during World War II.

Moreover, when and if I would have time to undertake such an exchange or debate, I would not do so in an Internet forum. With all due respect to Codoh, my experience has been that sites that permit posts by anonymous persons attract a fairly sizable number of trolls who are not interested in truly sharing knowledge about substantive issues, but have a psychological need to engage in ad hominem attack and calumny, which strikes this writer as having parallels with the Zionist and Talmudic mentality.


This thread is supposed to be about Lipstadt’s application of the deadly label “Amalek,” but mostly the comments have been off-topic, which itself would seem to be a dodge.

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Hannover » 1 year 3 weeks ago (Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:44 pm)

Michael Hoffman wrote:Hannover:

Why, because I replied to one question, am I obligated to reply to another that has little to do with the subject of Lipstadt and her terming Irving as Amalek? This is the Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving section of the CODOH forum.

Re-read the following statement of mine. You are dodging it:

I have been working for nearly four years on a large book devoted to crafting a new history of the Catholic Church in the Renaissance. I cannot afford to take the time to undertake a debate concerning my views of National Socialist mass murder during World War II.

Moreover, when and if I would have time to undertake such an exchange or debate, I would not do so in an Internet forum. With all due respect to Codoh, my experience has been that sites that permit posts by anonymous persons attract a fairly sizable number of trolls who are not interested in truly sharing knowledge about substantive issues, but have a psychological need to engage in ad hominem attack and calumny, which strikes this writer as having parallels with the Zionist and Talmudic mentality.


This thread is supposed to be about Lipstadt’s application of the deadly label “Amalek,” but mostly the comments have been off-topic, which itself would seem to be a dodge.

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Michael Hoffmann:

Alas. I never took you for someone who would weasel around about the basis of their views. Frankly, I expected more from you.

You had no problem responding to one truth's "off topic" inquiry, but dodge my challenge to your response. Most revealing.
You, yourself have opened the door for debate in this thread, but now you retreat from the field.

You want it both ways:
- make statements
- do not want to be held accountable for backing them up.
Which is all too familiar concerning the 'holocaust' storyline. Rather like your "Zionist and Talmudic mentality".

Your fear of trolls is not warranted here, we have guidelines and a Moderator to prevent that.

In fact, one of the characteristics of trolling at debate sites is to make statements like you did and then dodge the ensuing challenges to them.

A major time consuming debate is not necessary and you know it, just tell us what is the basis for your claims.
You have spent 'valuable time' posting here, but now say you don't have any time.
You've posted to a debate site and then dodge debate.

I'll tell you what, I will start a thread here on your statements and then see what you have to say, or not ... which I expect will be the case.

- Hannover

The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

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If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Michael Hoffman » 1 year 3 weeks ago (Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:17 pm)

Dear Hannover

Please do your best to comprehend the statement I made when first I offered a brief response to the query concerning what I believe or do not believe about NS crimes:

I have been working for nearly four years on a large book devoted to crafting a new history of the Catholic Church in the Renaissance. I cannot afford to take the time to undertake a debate concerning my views.


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Re: Lipstadt, Amalek and Irving

Postby Hannover » 1 year 3 weeks ago (Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:05 pm)

Michael Hoffmann:

As I said, and you obviously ignored, you had the time to post your beliefs at a debate site which, admit it, you cannot back-up now that you have been challenged. That's the obvious fact of the matter, you are fooling no one with your weak excuses.

In the time it took you to post just once in this thread you could have told us why you belief in what you believe in, IF you really believe it in the first place.

As they say on the street ... excuse my French, 'I call bullshit'.

- Hannover

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