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“Majdanek” by Mordechai Strigler

Postby Hieldner » 1 year 10 months ago (Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:06 am)

Of the victims who became perpetrators

September 19, 2016

70 years after it was written, Mordechai Strigler’s “Majdanek” report is published in German. It puts an end to the unspoken agreement not to show victims as perpetrators as well.

The voluntary self-regulation allowed quite a few things to be swept under the table in post-war Germany. Voice documents of Hitler in which he didn’t rail disappeared in poison cabinets: Nobody, absolutely no one should have been able to find this voice likeable any longer. Photographs taken by an Auschwitz inmate in front of a gas chamber in August 1944 were kept under lock and key for a long time: The postulate of the inconceivability of the shoah shouldn’t fall into falter.

These parallels are inevitably drawn in light of the “Majdanek” report by Mordechai Strigler, because the book appears in German only now, 70 years after it was written. On the other hand, it was available in English, French and Dutch. The book touches on the taboo of the cruel behaviour of the Jewish concentration camp prisoners among themselves. Others had already touched upon this gloomy aspect.

In the memories of the psychiatrist Viktor E. Frankl, whom the Americans liberated from Dachau concentration camp, it was claimed in 1946: “Relentlessly they fight for their own interests, be they personal or those of closest friends.” But Germany rather kept with literarily over-inflated books like Primo Levi’s “If This Is a Man,” where the brutalities that must have taken place in the barracks were heavily filtered in solidarity with the six million dead.

“All of these came from the ranks of the prisoners”

Strigler was a journalist and preacher at the Great Synagogue of Warsaw when the Second World War began. He was 25 years of age when they deported him to Majdanek in June 1943. There he spent seven weeks, subsequently his ordeal took him through 11 other camps. He was liberated in Buchenwald. Strigler, who emigrated to America in 1952, then became one of the most prolific Yiddish writers of the 20th century. His “Majdanek” report is committed to realism. It doesn’t try to gloss over anything.

Homo homini lupus. That’s what the organizational structure of the concentration camps was based upon. Strigler describes the hierarchy: “The Czech and Slovak Jews played the main role in the internal order. They were proficient in correct German and were already psychologically closer to the Germans than to the Jews, especially the Jews from the East. They were the camp clerks who decided on camp posts and on a better or worse workplace. Then, at first, came the block seniors who were recruited from various suspicious Polish and Ukrainian elements as well as a number of Jewish coverts and assimilated Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto. Furthermore, there was a camp clerk in the block and the so-called barrack room duty. All of them had unlimited power. They could do what they wanted with the food of their block … At the workplaces the kapo was the chief ruler. The foremen were subordinated to him. Those had their own semiofficial collaborators, the so-called racketeers. Each individual had the power to hit and to send a man to his death if he didn’t like him. All of these came from the ranks of the prisoners.”

“Now it is impossible to hold back”

The “barrack room duty” held “trials”. Those who refused to relinquish one of their own vital rations of bread were beaten until they looked like a candidate for the gas chamber at the roll call. There were sadists who tortured in a “precise and methodical” way. There was vigilantism.

Strigler describes how one of these tormentors was almost beaten dead in his barrack: “Up to twenty people stand … around a hated piece of meat, and everyone wants to tear out a piece of excruciating satisfaction, a chunk of claimed justice.”

“Majdanek” does away with the unspoken agreement not to show victims as perpetrators. The publisher zu Klampen who repeatedly publishes provocative nonfiction in addition to major editions (Marcuse, Morgenstern) has translated Strigler’s book into German for the first time. It is an interesting and at the same time terrifying reading.

https://www.welt.de/kultur/literarische ... urden.html
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Which photographs is the author talking about in the first paragraph?


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Re: “Majdanek” by Mordechai Strigler

Postby borjastick » 1 year 10 months ago (Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:18 am)

The voluntary self-regulation allowed quite a few things to be swept under the table in post-war Germany. Voice documents of Hitler in which he didn’t rail disappeared in poison cabinets: Nobody, absolutely no one should have been able to find this voice likeable any longer. Photographs taken by an Auschwitz inmate in front of a gas chamber in August 1944 were kept under lock and key for a long time: The postulate of the inconceivability of the shoah shouldn’t fall into falter.


Heildner you ask about the photographs mentioned in the above paragraph. In fact the question should be, what on earth does this first paragraph mean at all? It is total nonsense and gobbledegook. I don't know what this is about and frankly anyone who claims to have been through 11 camps in the holocaust where, so we are educated, the Germans wanted to kill all jews needs to be ignored immediately.

In fact I think the Majdanek story is best left well alone as it is now truly a joke.
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Re: “Majdanek” by Mordechai Strigler

Postby Hieldner » 1 year 10 months ago (Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:40 am)

borjastick wrote:
The voluntary self-regulation allowed quite a few things to be swept under the table in post-war Germany. Voice documents of Hitler in which he didn’t rail disappeared in poison cabinets: Nobody, absolutely no one should have been able to find this voice likeable any longer. Photographs taken by an Auschwitz inmate in front of a gas chamber in August 1944 were kept under lock and key for a long time: The postulate of the inconceivability of the shoah shouldn’t fall into falter.


Heildner you ask about the photographs mentioned in the above paragraph. In fact the question should be, what on earth does this first paragraph mean at all? It is total nonsense and gobbledegook.

Well, I admit it’s an amateurish translation, which isn’t surprising, since it was made by an amateur translator. Nevertheless, this sentence should be quite clear:
Photographs taken by an Auschwitz inmate in front of a gas chamber in August 1944 were kept under lock and key for a long time

Maybe the first sentences are better this way, I don’t know:
The voluntary self-regulation in post-war Germany allowed quite a few things to be disregarded. Voice documents of Hitler in which he didn’t drool disappeared in poison cabinets: Nobody, absolutely nobody was supposed to find his voice likeable any longer.

Specific criticism & improvement suggestions are always welcome. If anyone knows a better translation for “Stubendienst” than “barrack room duty,” I’d be glad to hear.

I don't know what this is about and frankly anyone who claims to have been through 11 camps in the holocaust where, so we are educated, the Germans wanted to kill all jews needs to be ignored immediately.

I think testimonies describing violence among camp inmates could be interesting. To have been through 11 camps while staying alive is only implausible if one assumes the holocaust really happened. Why should he be ignored if he makes this inconvenient statement? How far fetched his account is needs to be examined first.
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Re: “Majdanek” by Mordechai Strigler

Postby hermod » 1 year 10 months ago (Mon Sep 19, 2016 10:26 am)

Hieldner wrote:Which photographs is the author talking about in the first paragraph?


I think he's talking about the very famous photographs of a cremation pit known as "the Sonderkommando photographs" and taken by Alex, the Greek Jew, at Birkenau.
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Re: “Majdanek” by Mordechai Strigler

Postby HeiligeSturm » 1 year 10 months ago (Mon Sep 19, 2016 12:03 pm)

hermod wrote:
Hieldner wrote:Which photographs is the author talking about in the first paragraph?


I think he's talking about the very famous photographs of a cremation pit known as "the Sonderkommando photographs" and taken by Alex, the Greek Jew, at Birkenau.


I think so too.

If one believes the story the photographs were not taken in front of a gas chamber,
but from inside the gas chamber as we can see supposed door frames in them.
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These photos have been under much debate and scrutiny.
Those photos could be even from the time when the Soviets run Birkenau.
But when people stop believing in those photos, movies come to help.
Moment when those photos were supposedly taken was depicted in (not so surprisingly)
Oscar winning "Son of Saul".
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Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: “Majdanek” by Mordechai Strigler

Postby Hieldner » 1 year 10 months ago (Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:53 pm)

HeiligeSturm wrote:
hermod wrote:
Hieldner wrote:Which photographs is the author talking about in the first paragraph?


I think he's talking about the very famous photographs of a cremation pit known as "the Sonderkommando photographs" and taken by Alex, the Greek Jew, at Birkenau.


I think so too.

If one believes the story the photographs were not taken in front of a gas chamber,
but from inside the gas chamber as we can see supposed door frames in them.

I agree. This is exactly what I was unsure about.
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Re: “Majdanek” by Mordechai Strigler

Postby Hektor » 5 months 3 weeks ago (Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:45 pm)

HeiligeSturm wrote:....

I think so too.

If one believes the story the photographs were not taken in front of a gas chamber,
but from inside the gas chamber as we can see supposed door frames in them.
20130410224614!Auschwitz_Resistance_281.jpg
These photos have been under much debate and scrutiny.
Those photos could be even from the time when the Soviets run Birkenau.
But when people stop believing in those photos, movies come to help.
Moment when those photos were supposedly taken was depicted in (not so surprisingly)
Oscar winning "Son of Saul".
vlcsnap-2016-09-19-19h56m34s765.png
vlcsnap-2016-09-19-19h48m31s031.png


That's what I think as well. The movies have to make up for the dubious evidence that has ever been presented.
Me thinks there is another far more plausible reason so many "documentary proofs" only showed up much later then the 1940s.

The voluntary self-regulation allowed quite a few things to be swept under the table in post-war Germany. Voice documents of Hitler in which he didn’t rail disappeared in poison cabinets: Nobody, absolutely no one should have been able to find this voice likeable any longer. Photographs taken by an Auschwitz inmate in front of a gas chamber in August 1944 were kept under lock and key for a long time: The postulate of the inconceivability of the shoah shouldn’t fall into falter.


"Voluntarily"? Is this dude kidding himself, believing others would also fall for that ploy? ALL of Germany was under occupation in the second half of the 1940s. Only people approved by the Allies could become politicians, publishers or get other positions of importance.


Homo homini lupus. That’s what the organizational structure of the concentration camps was based upon. Strigler describes the hierarchy: “The Czech and Slovak Jews played the main role in the internal order. They were proficient in correct German and were already psychologically closer to the Germans than to the Jews, especially the Jews from the East. They were the camp clerks who decided on camp posts and on a better or worse workplace. Then, at first, came the block seniors who were recruited from various suspicious Polish and Ukrainian elements as well as a number of Jewish coverts and assimilated Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto. Furthermore, there was a camp clerk in the block and the so-called barrack room duty. All of them had unlimited power.


Something that is widely ignored and for sure not the standard line in movies of the Holocaust genre, is that the concentration camps had their own internal administration set up of the prisoners themselves. With time Communists dominated in many of the concentration camps
They were also responsible for most of the violence there:
https://archive.org/details/CommunistAt ... Buchenwald

CONFIDENTIAL 2. The trustees had wide powers over their fellow-inmates. At first they were drawn almost exclusively from the German criminals. This period lasted until 1942. But gradually the Communists began to gain control of this organization. They were the oldest residents, with records of 10-12 years in the concentration camps, and thus began to build up personal relationships and experience which made them the most logical appointees for positions of power. They clung together with remarkable tenacity, whereas the criminal elements were simply out for their own individual welfare, and had little group cohesiveness. The Communist maintained excellent discipline, and received a certain amount of direction from outside the camp. They had brains and technical qualifications for running the various industries established at the camp. They made themselves indispensable. At BUCHENWALD the German Communist group now numbers about 300, the survivors of years of brutality and extermination. 3. Their advances were not made without resistance from the criminals, but gradually the criminals were eliminated from power, parly by intimidation, partly with the aid of the SS. Numbers of the criminals were killed by beatings, hangings, or injections of phenol into the heart, or of air or milk into the veins. The injections were a specialty of the camp doctor, who became a partisan of the Communist faction. The arrival of large transports of Poles from AUSCHWITZ in 1943 was the next challenge to the Communist rule. In AUSCHWITZ the Poles had occupied more or less the same ruling position as the Communists now had in BUCHENWALD. They attempted to capture the same sort of control in their new home. According to one informant their effort was crushed by the killing of large numbers in the typhus experiment station. 4. Towards the end of the year big transports of French and Belgians began to arrive. Because of their Western outlook, these too represented a menace to the German Communist rule. Almost all of the first convoys were shipped immediately to the dreaded DORA camp, which meant almost certain death. Of the remainder, any who dared complain were placed immediately on transport. The two Frenchmen who worked in the "ARVEITSSTATISTIK" office, and who thus were directly responsible for the fate of many of their countrymen, were named SCHWARTZ and SCHMULEVSKY (?), the latter a naturalized Pole. The French, furthermore, seemed to break more quickly under the strain of concentration camp life, and many simply resigned themselves to death. Later, the German Communists selected a French Communist named Marcel PAUL (a town councillor in Paris), and established him as "representative" of the French inmates. PAUL, in turn, appointed a "French Committe", composed of a number of former French deputies, including FORCINAL, THOMAS and MARIE (the latter a Radical Socialist who later resigned). A certain "Colonel MANKES" a resistance leader leader who was captured by the Germans after a number of blunders, was made President of this Committee. 5. The Committee did nothing about the Red Cross parcel scandal. The French Red Cross sent thousands of parcels to its compatriots in BUCHENWALD, the French being one of the few nationalities to receive such aid. These parcels, however, did

Source: https://archive.org/details/EdwardTenen ... waldReport

Some Jews even had confidential positions with the camp Gestapo in Auschwitz:
https://archive.org/details/Zeugenaussa ... itzProzess

Not really a story that sticks with the extermination thesis.


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