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DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby CODOH Video » 2 years 11 months ago (Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:42 pm)

The Revisionists respond at DenialTheFilm.com !

http://denialthefilm.com is a new website from Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (http://CODOH.com) which will host articles and a video series countering the new Hollywood film "Denial", as well as Deborah Lipstadt and the larger Holocaust industry's falsehoods.

A new Hollywood movie is coming out called "Denial" about David Irving's courageous lawsuit against Deborah Lipstadt for defamation and libel in British courts. The film stars Rachel Weisz as Deborah Lipstadt and the weird looking guy who transformed into a rat in the Harry Potter movies stars as David Irving.

As one would guess, it's the latest in Hollywood films demonizing Revisionists and sanctifying "gas shower" promoters. DenialTheFilm.com will serve as a comprehensive response. Do your part to share the website and videos far and wide. The first video is out today, and more videos will be released very shortly.

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Part 1 – Introduction

Presents a brief introduction to Holocaust Revisionism.
Shows the trailer for the film “Denial” which will be analyzed closer in later parts.
An analysis of the casting and pre-production casting changes to the movie “Denial.” The filmmakers make Irving look like a monster and Lipstadt like an angel.
Deborah Lipstadt demonizes Revisionists yet parroted bogus Soviet propaganda claim of 4 million Auschwitz dead.
A preview of the next part in the video series…

Part 2 – The Reader, Majdanek’s lost gas chambers, and Lipstadt slams skeptics while parroting 1.7 million Majdanek dead.
The screenwriter of Denial, David Hare’s previous Holocaust film “The Reader” shows two formerly alleged homicidal gas chambers at Majdanek now officially admitted never to have been used to gas anyone. Majdanek’s FIVE embarrassing falsely labelled “homicidal gas chambers”, and Deborah Lipstadt parrots the phony figure of 1.7 Million Majdanek dead.

http://DenialTheFilm.com
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http://QuestioningTheHolocaust.com

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Hektor » 2 years 11 months ago (Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:04 pm)

Excellent. I guess we should write articles on related topics to be published there.

And yes: We should create some handy flyers people can distribute at cinemas. As pdf should be downloadable from the site.

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Hieldner » 2 years 11 months ago (Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:44 am)

CODOH Video wrote:The Revisionists respond at DenialTheFilm.com !

Good work and good choice of URL!

CODOH Video wrote:Part 1 – Introduction

I like the actor’s analysis. It was very helpful to point out that Lipstadt was the person on the left photo :)

• It could have been expressed more clearly that Irving doesn’t regard himself as a Holocaust historian, his claims deviate from those of most revisionists, that Irving wasn’t well prepared and made multiple mistakes, and that consequently this trial wasn’t about revisionism.
• The misrepresentation pointed out by Hadding Scott http://codoh.com/library/document/4105/ could have been included.
• I think Lipstadt was an Associate Professor of Religion, but then got promoted to Professor of Jewish and Holocaust studies, whatever that is. http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/lipstadt-deborah
• Bernard Clarke later boasted of having tortured Höss. Richard Evans wants us to believe, Höss repeatedly told the whole world random exaggerated death tolls, but then remembered the exact numbers of individual killing actions while waiting for his execution:
Expert states he claimed to gas 1,130,000
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British historian Richard Evans in his expert report for the 2000 Irving vs. Penguin & Lipstadt trial,
claims Hoess gave an estimate of 1,130,000 is his autobiography.20 What Evans fails to mention, is
that Hoess stated he could "only remember the figures involved in the larger actions" and that
he could "no longer remember the figures for the smaller actions, but they were insignificant in
comparison with the numbers", which he listed for the larger actions, which total 1,130,000.
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https://winstonsmithministryoftruth.blo ... -toll.html

Lipstadt has revamped her Holocaust Denial on Trial site, now featuring a “Debunking Holocaust Denial” section.
http://hdot.org/debunking-denial/
Highlights include: “Anne Frank’s Diary: Anne’s Diary Is Authentic”; “Auschwitz-Birkenau Gas Chambers: Gas Chamber Is Not a Fake,” a short pamphlet about the morgue at Auschwitz main camp, not at Birkenau; “Baby Yar: Exhumation of the Bodies”; “Diesel Exhaust: Enough Carbon Monoxide”; “Allied Air Raid on Dresden: Dresden Military Target”; “Operation Reinhard Mass Cremation: Bone Crushing,” with an authentic photo of a Nazi cement mixer. I don’t think many people will read that, they will much more likely visit Wikipedia, i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... ust_denial
»[Holocaust soap] odor, if captured and retained… would preserve the core of an individual soul… The undesirable smell of the extract spoke of the spectral Derridian trace… that continued to remind its consumers of their own bio-ontology.«—B. Shallcross

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby ginger » 2 years 11 months ago (Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:08 pm)

To CODOH

This website would be a good place to "push back" against this propaganda - can anybody post to this website?

I wanted to encourage critics to contrast the movie "Denial" with a TV documentary on the same subject - "NOVA Holocaust on Trial" on YouTube.

I posted comments on a thread on this forum "Caught in a Lie Already"- one which appears, in part, below;

"From the TV documentary –– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCERa40KP64 - at 43:25 to 47:07 – we hear Van Pelt say 120,000 bodies were cremated each month. Then we hear Irving argue that it would require mountains of fuel. Van Pelt responds that it could be done with small amounts of fuel - a water bottle of fuel per corpse – Van Pelt then reads from a report written in the 1980’s on the patent application proposed by Topf during the war – saying it was “self-heating” (but really it would have required small amounts of fuel).

One representation of the oven can be found here:

http://www.topfundsoehne.de/cms-www/ind ... id=120&l=1

I would be surprised if Van Pelt’s testimony of the oven is emphasized in the new movie “Denial” because the oven was never built."

CODOH - Is there a way to introduce the subject of the TV documentary, the testimony of Van Pelt, the magic oven that was never built, to this website discussion? It should cause readers to question the integrity of the Court, the integrity of Van Pelt, the intelligence and integrity of Deborah Lipstadt.

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Moderator » 2 years 11 months ago (Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:43 pm)

ginger:
... can anybody post to this website?
Yes.
Anyone can register and post.

see simple guidelines:
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Only lies need to be shielded from debate, truth welcomes it.

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Hektor » 2 years 11 months ago (Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:16 pm)

Hieldner wrote:....
Lipstadt has revamped her Holocaust Denial on Trial site, now featuring a “Debunking Holocaust Denial” section.
http://hdot.org/debunking-denial/
Highlights include: “Anne Frank’s Diary: Anne’s Diary Is Authentic”; “Auschwitz-Birkenau Gas Chambers: Gas Chamber Is Not a Fake,” a short pamphlet about the morgue at Auschwitz main camp, not at Birkenau; “Baby Yar: Exhumation of the Bodies”; “Diesel Exhaust: Enough Carbon Monoxide”; “Allied Air Raid on Dresden: Dresden Military Target”; “Operation Reinhard Mass Cremation: Bone Crushing,” with an authentic photo of a Nazi cement mixer. I don’t think many people will read that, they will much more likely visit Wikipedia, i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism ... ust_denial



I'm always amazed, when they deal with "Debunking Holocaust Denial". That's usually some quibbling about arguments Holocaust Revisionist supposedly use. Now that's odd, why do you spent time on quibbling, when all you need to do is present the hard evidence and then make deductions from it and show that it's supporting your case?!

I think that also belongs into dealing with Lipstadt and Co. But it was the same tactics with Nizkor and to a lesser extent with THHP. Don't defend your thesis attack all critics of your thesis.

And how about using a Revisionist working hypothesis? Camps for the internment and resettlement of Jews. Huge problems with disease plus later nutrition due to (Allied induced) production and distribution problems. Claims of deliberate attempts to kill Jews or other inmates on a wholesale scale stem from Rumor and propaganda.... Oh by the way, can the court historians tell us how they deal with the issue of psychological warfare and atrocity propaganda? Because when I page through standard literature about world war 2, it seems the subject got skipped altogether. The only one making propaganda there seems to be Dr. Goebbels who, as an official title, was the "Propaganda Minister" in Germany. Now that's blatantly honest on what his role was..... How about the equivalents on the Allied side, what where they called?

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby ginger » 2 years 11 months ago (Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:25 pm)

Moderator -

I said

ginger:
... can anybody post to this website?

you said
Yes.
Anyone can register and post.

see simple guidelines:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=358
M1rator -

I am used to commenting on the forum using my user name and password - the website has no place to sign on. Is there a place to sign on the website? or on a different place designated for discussion about "Denial"?

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Atigun » 2 years 11 months ago (Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:47 pm)

This from HDOT.

Conclusion
"Samuel Willenberg’s drawings of Treblinka are not the “sole” proof of the existence and use of excavators in Treblinka. Primary documents, photographs and eyewitness testimony when taken together persuasively support the assertion that excavators were used in Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor initially for digging mass graves and then for emptying the graves of remains so they could be cremated."


Here is reality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nm1N8Rr72Y That is a Menck & Hambrock model Mc, not that much different from the M&H model Mb allegedly used to excavate the graves and exhume the bodies at Treblinka. Note how easily that clamshell bucket cuts through masonry walls and rips apart heavy timbers and rebar. Now imagine dropping that clamshell into a 30-40 feet deep pit full of decomposing bodies and closing it. The chances of retrieving a complete, whole body are very slim. What you would get is a clamshell bucket full of pieces of bodies, entrails and organs. In very short order you would be working in a total mess. So much for piling the bodies on the railroad rail grill.

There is also a very good reason for why the excavator didn't dig the mass graves as described by Wiernik and Rajchman. That needs a separate thread so I'll just say that there is compelling evidence that the excavator couldn't have dug the mass graves by itself.

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Hieldner » 2 years 11 months ago (Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:27 am)

Here’s another preview clip
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Postby Hieldner » 2 years 11 months ago (Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:07 pm)

Deborah Lipstadt volunteered to promote Denial the Film :)
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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 11 months ago (Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:26 pm)

ginger wrote:One representation of the oven can be found here:

http://www.topfundsoehne.de/cms-www/ind ... id=120&l=1

I would be surprised if Van Pelt’s testimony of the oven is emphasized in the new movie “Denial” because the oven was never built."


Link is broken due to incorrect URL insertion.
Here's that link: Topf & Söhne - The Patent Application
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby hermod » 2 years 11 months ago (Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:07 pm)

Hektor wrote: Claims of deliberate attempts to kill Jews or other inmates on a wholesale scale stem from Rumor and propaganda.... Oh by the way, can the court historians tell us how they deal with the issue of psychological warfare and atrocity propaganda? Because when I page through standard literature about world war 2, it seems the subject got skipped altogether. The only one making propaganda there seems to be Dr. Goebbels who, as an official title, was the "Propaganda Minister" in Germany. Now that's blatantly honest on what his role was..... How about the equivalents on the Allied side, what where they called?


From my own experience, to them, there is no such a thing as WW2 Soviet-Allied atrocity propaganda. Only information and 'reports,' they say or imply. It seems we'll just have to be satisfied with their funny "WW2 was the only war in recent history in which the Soviets and the Anglo-Americans didn't lie through their teeth in almost every sentence they said." Perhaps THIS is the real uniqueness of the 'Holocaust' after all...
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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby ginger » 2 years 11 months ago (Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:21 am)

Thanks HeiligStrum for the correct link

Topf & Sohne - The Patent Application -your link works but mine doesn't.

The oven was supposed to be 4 stories high - where is the "machinery of death"? A large room with a hole in the roof where the Nazis dropped pellets of pesticide into the room? This was not a machine - it was a Rube Goldberg contraption.

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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby Hieldner » 2 years 11 months ago (Fri Sep 23, 2016 11:29 am)

The very good second part is out


All mentions of CODOH have been dropped from this new episode and the website. Ostensibly, Hunt lost the CODOH support because of the troll joke in the first episode
Lost major donor because of troll joke in part 1. Need viewer donations to continue. Thanks.

https://twitter.com/holocaustdenier/sta ... 6416369664
For me, it was the comments on Lipstadt’s inner/outer ugliness that appeared a bit too fierce. I think her comments comparing revisionists to child rapists and her appearance are ugly enough, no need to characterize her further.

Can’t these short bits be cut out/replaced, the copiers notified to upload the new version, and the project finished with support from CODOH?
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Re: DenialTheFilm.com - Revisionist rebuttal of upcoming Lipstadt movie defaming Revisionists

Postby hermod » 2 years 11 months ago (Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:42 pm)

Eric Hunt's full movie also here: https://vimeo.com/184124657
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