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https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ --- Really? Where? Same Old Impossible Nonsense.

Postby Hannover » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:43 am)

Does anyone see anything at Deborah Lipstadt's (a Jewish religion teacher) site that hasn't been crushed by Revisionists repeatedly?

That site is laughably called:
'holocau$t' Denial on Trial
Debunking 'holocau$t' Denial'
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/

I see at another site the thoroughly discredited Aaron Richards claims "50 years of holocaust revisionism humiliated on one website".

Oh really? Where? :lol:
It's all been covered at this forum.
Which of course Aaron Richards is afraid of since he prefers foul language and potty talk forums. No surprise, that's how they roll. :roll:

Questions, comment, challenges welcomed.

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The 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

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Re: https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ --- Same Old Debunked Nonsense.

Postby AntiBeliever » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:55 am)

Theoretically, only Birkenau & Majdanek have really been debunked. David Cole is right: No matter how strong a case MGK, Alvares, Denierbud, and Eric Hunt have made against the Reinhard camps - the Korherr Report and Goebbel's Diaries can't be explained away. Goebbel's vague use of liquidation of Jews and Korherr's research proving they left Europe upon entering the camps is beyond damning.

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Postby Hannover » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:14 am)

AntiBeliever wrote:Theoretically, only Birkenau & Majdanek have really been debunked. David Cole is right: No matter how strong a case MGK, Alvares, Denierbud, and Eric Hunt have made against the Reinhard camps - the Korherr Report and Goebbel's Diaries can't be explained away. Goebbel's vague use of liquidation of Jews and Korherr's research proving they left Europe upon entering the camps is beyond damning.

Where in the cited website
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/
is there support for your assertions?

Please do some research.

For example, see:
As for Korherr Report, Korherr settles the issue himself:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=957&p=36584
The well-known, racially persecuted writer H.G. Adler, previously resident in Prague, now in London, wrote in the foreword to the second edition to his extraordinary book Theresienstadt 1941-1945 in 1960:
"It has definitely been determined that the designation of Dr. Korherr as SS-statistician...is not true, because he never belonged to the SS and has been rehabilitated insofar as his behaviour in the National Socialist years is concerned."

Unfortunately, Der Spiegel is publishing the claim of the English historian Irving that in the spring of 1942, at Himmler's order, I calculated the number of Jewish victims. In fact, these figures along with the text were delivered to me in completed form by the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA) with the order that not one word or figure was to be changed.

The statement that I had claimed in this regard that more than a million Jews had died as a result of special treatment in the camps in German-occupied Poland and in the Warthegau is also incorrect. I have to protest against the word "died" in this context.

It was precisely the term "special treatment" (sonderbehandlung) that motivated me to inquire of the RSHA by telephone what this term meant. I received the answer that it referred to Jews who would be settled in the District of Lublin.
Dr. Richard Korherr
Braunschweig

and:
'The Korherr Report: Where did they go?"
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2085

What is in the Goebbel's diary that you claim "can't be explained away"? Be specific.

Please show us the alleged enormous mass graves for the claimed 'millions of Jews & others'.
How did all these Jews & others supposedly die? Please explain the specific processes.

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"Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."

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Re: https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ --- Really? Where? Same Old Impossible Nonsense.

Postby AntiBeliever » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:37 am)

Goebbel's wrote a certain entry(March 27, 1942), that specifically mentions Jews being transferred to the Reinhard camps from the established ghettos - 60% would be liquidated, 40% being kept for work. It isn't just the term liquidation that's eye opening, it's that they were already going to be leaving the NS territory. As Israel wasn't established until 948 - where else were they going? Nobody on this forum has given an adequate answer to that.

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Re: https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ --- Same Old Debunked Nonsense.

Postby Mortimer » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:00 am)

AntiBeliever wrote:Theoretically, only Birkenau & Majdanek have really been debunked. David Cole is right: No matter how strong a case MGK, Alvares, Denierbud, and Eric Hunt have made against the Reinhard camps - the Korherr Report and Goebbel's Diaries can't be explained away. Goebbel's vague use of liquidation of Jews and Korherr's research proving they left Europe upon entering the camps is beyond damning.

What about other places such as Dachau, Mauthausen and Hartheim Castle ? Revisionists have debunked the claims that there were gas chambers in these locations -
http://codoh.com/library/document/2303/
http://codoh.com/library/document/2383/

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Re: https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ --- Really? Where? Same Old Impossible Nonsense.

Postby Jurgen » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:40 am)

I found the "One Third of the Holocaust" videos to be very convincing in their arguments against the official narrative as laid out by Arad.
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Re: https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/ --- Really? Where? Same Old Impossible Nonsense.

Postby Hektor » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:29 am)

Jurgen wrote:I found the "One Third of the Holocaust" videos to be very convincing in their arguments against the official narrative as laid out by Arad.

Taken, they could be critiqued on some of the quantitative assumptions. But even if you twitch the figures in favor of the Holocaust plot, it still gets remains a problem for them.

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Postby AntiBeliever » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:47 am)

Mortimer wrote:
AntiBeliever wrote:Theoretically, only Birkenau & Majdanek have really been debunked. David Cole is right: No matter how strong a case MGK, Alvares, Denierbud, and Eric Hunt have made against the Reinhard camps - the Korherr Report and Goebbel's Diaries can't be explained away. Goebbel's vague use of liquidation of Jews and Korherr's research proving they left Europe upon entering the camps is beyond damning.

What about other places such as Dachau, Mauthausen and Hartheim Castle ? Revisionists have debunked the claims that there were gas chambers in these locations -
http://codoh.com/library/document/2303/
http://codoh.com/library/document/2383/


Those camps are laughable. Revisionism or mainstream, they were just ordinary labor camps.

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Postby hermod » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:38 am)

AntiBeliever wrote:Theoretically, only Birkenau & Majdanek have really been debunked. David Cole is right: No matter how strong a case MGK, Alvares, Denierbud, and Eric Hunt have made against the Reinhard camps - the Korherr Report and Goebbel's Diaries can't be explained away. Goebbel's vague use of liquidation of Jews and Korherr's research proving they left Europe upon entering the camps is beyond damning.


Of course they can be explained away. Goebbels indeed wrote in his diaries on March 27, 1942 that "about 60 percent of them will have to be liquidated (liquidiert) whereas only about 40 percent can be used for forced labor." Note that Goebbels didn't write that they were being liquidated but that they should be liquidated later. Something Goebbels, a well-known rabid anti-Semite, wished, not something being implemented. Holohoaxers never quote the sentence opening that paragraph, i.e. "the Jews in the General Government are now being evacuated (abgeschoben) eastward." Was Goebbels lying to himself with alleged genocidal code words such as 'evacuated eastward' in his own private diaries? Or was he merely talking about Jews actually evacuated eastward? And if he was lying to himself, why did he smash his alleged self-delusion only 2 sentences later with harsh words such as 'liquidate'?

And Holohoaxers never quote either what Goebbels wrote about the Final Solution less than 3 weeks earlier. On March 7, 1942, he wrote: "I read a detailed report from the SD and police regarding a final solution of the Jewish Question. Any final solution involves a tremendous number of new viewpoints. The Jewish Question must be solved within a pan-European frame. There are 11 million Jews still in Europe. They will have to be concentrated later, to begin with, in the East; possibly an island, such as Madagascar, can be assigned to them after the war. In any case there can be no peace in Europe until the last Jews are shut off from (ausgeschaltet) the continent." All the Jews in Europe at that time concentrated in the East during the war and elsewhere after the war, that's 100% consistent with the revisionist claim that the AR camps were transit camps used within the frame of a 2-step (wartime & post-war) total territorial eviction policy. The historians who use Goebbels' harsh quote to prove their point, should at least concede that the very opposite could be demonstrated as well and as easily with the quote I've just used. Ditto with other quotes from Goebbels' diaries. Isolating and [often] distorting some specific quotes for political purposes is not honest unbiased history writing. That is just bamboozlement capitalizing on most people's laziness.

Reading the whole of Goebbels' diaries about Jews points to the very opposite of an extermination policy through mass murder.

Just read the whole thing and see for yourself:

http://codoh.com/library/series/3110/
http://codoh.com/library/document/1918/
http://codoh.com/library/document/3109/
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Postby Hannover » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:17 am)

AntiBeliever wrote:Goebbel's wrote a certain entry(March 27, 1942), that specifically mentions Jews being transferred to the Reinhard camps from the established ghettos - 60% would be liquidated, 40% being kept for work. It isn't just the term liquidation that's eye opening, it's that they were already going to be leaving the NS territory. As Israel wasn't established until 948 - where else were they going? Nobody on this forum has given an adequate answer to that.

Is that referenced in the cited website?
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/
If so, where?

Why do you dodge my challenges to you? See guidelines.

You believe that millions of Jews & others went to enormous mass graves, where are these enormous mass graves to review? Where are they? Where did they go?
- I challenge you or anyone else to show us a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where they are.
Recall:
claimed 900,000 buried at Treblinka
claimed 250,000 buried at Sobibor
claimed 34,000 buried at Babi Yar
claimed 1,250,000 buried at Auschwitz

- 2,000,000 Jews were supposedly shot by the Einsatzgruppen.
So, is that:
100 graves of 20,000?
200 graves of 10,000?
400 graves of 5,000?
500 graves of 4,000?
1000 graves of 2000?
2000 graves of 1000?
None can be shown.

- How did all the alleged additional Jews & others supposedly die? Please explain the specific processes.

Goebbels Diary debunked here:
'Cole: My Unintentionally Negative Impact Revisionism'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8922
and here:
'Eric Hunt's response to David Cole / Treblinka'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8744
and here:
'Goebbels' diaries and Nizkor's manipulations'
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2219

You really should search this site before you post.

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Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

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Postby Turpitz » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:00 am)

The Korherr Report and Goebbel's Diaries 'can't be explained away'.


I can remember those very same words being spoken in regard to Auschwitz fifteen years ago. Never-the-less, for me, it is the most damning evidence yet that this is all you can produce for the eradication of eleven-million beings after seventy-years. What a pitiful charade it all is!

I also believe that there is a concerted effort to move everything into the wilderness of the far East. This is the only way to to halt the ever increasing ridicule and mockery of the Industry's attempts at manufacturing 'factories of death'. By moving the locations to a barren wasteland, there will simply be nothing to mock or ridicule. The visitor centres can compensate by having props and evocative music playing, also loads of knick-knacks and such like. The proprietors of the Industry theme-parks could encourage their quarry to use their imagination whilst visiting.

a well-known rabid anti-Semite


I never read or heard him say a bad word towards Arabs. in fact, I think I recall his distress at the infliction caused by the British mandate upon the Semitic Arabs. There is not a more anti-Semitic people on earth than those fake Jews (read Israelites) who framed the Arabs for 9/11 and have used American fire-power to slaughter them for the last fifteen years.

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Postby Rogal Dorn » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:34 pm)

I thought the Germans coined the term Antisemitismus to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment, and that it was a good word and honorable sentiment they tried to encourage other nations to accept. I could be wrong regarding the word's origins and yes it is poor given that Arabs are semites as well, but if the origin was true then the label would fit Goebbels.

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Postby Jurgen » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:26 pm)

Rogal Dorn wrote:I thought the Germans coined the term Antisemitismus to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment, and that it was a good word and honorable sentiment they tried to encourage other nations to accept. I could be wrong regarding the word's origins and yes it is poor given that Arabs are semites as well, but if the origin was true then the label would fit Goebbels.


As far as I have been able to fathom, the Germans were not concerned about " encouraging other nations" to accept anything. Rather they were concerned with building Germany up, rescuing her from the mire of the Wiemar Republic.

War intervened and forced Germany's hand.
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Postby Moderator » 1 year 1 month ago (Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:55 pm)

Remember the OP.
We're debating what's claimed / stated at Lipstadt's site:
https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/

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Postby Mortimer » 1 year 1 month ago (Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:19 pm)

AntiBeliever wrote:
Mortimer wrote:
AntiBeliever wrote:Theoretically, only Birkenau & Majdanek have really been debunked. David Cole is right: No matter how strong a case MGK, Alvares, Denierbud, and Eric Hunt have made against the Reinhard camps - the Korherr Report and Goebbel's Diaries can't be explained away. Goebbel's vague use of liquidation of Jews and Korherr's research proving they left Europe upon entering the camps is beyond damning.

What about other places such as Dachau, Mauthausen and Hartheim Castle ? Revisionists have debunked the claims that there were gas chambers in these locations -
http://codoh.com/library/document/2303/
http://codoh.com/library/document/2383/


Those camps are laughable. Revisionism or mainstream, they were just ordinary labor camps.

Regardless of whether you consider the subject "laughable" in the past there were claims that prisoners were gassed to death in these camps and these claims have been debunked -
http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10468


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