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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 6 years ago (Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:52 pm)

Correct me if i am wrong but did the 'Allies' not have three plans to deliberately kill the Germans?

The Kaufman Plan, Lindemann Plan & Morgenthau Plan

It's pretty peculiar that we have not seen one genocidal plan for the murder of six million jews.

Some holocaust, huh?
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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:26 pm)

I revised the figures of the CIA that Roberto cited in the first post.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html

There are data about the percentage of Jews in various countries by religion as well as by ethnic. Roberto choose ethnic because the numbers are rare. The religion is more interesting.

Lets take France as an example:

Population: 60,656,178 (July 2005 est.)
Ethnic groups:
Celtic and Latin with Teutonic, Slavic, North African, Indochinese, Basque minorities


No Jews at all? Look:

Religions:
Roman Catholic 83%-88%, Protestant 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 5%-10%, unaffiliated 4%


This means 606,562 Jews.

We have different types of countries depending on the figures available:

1. Countries where we have a percentage of Jews of the total population (either by religion or by ethnics)

2. Countries where there are Jews mentioned together with other religions
(for example: Iran
Shi'a Muslim 89%, Sunni Muslim 9%, Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, and Baha'i 2%)
This means: We do not know the minimum number of Jews but have the maximum number)

3. Countries where a Jewish population is not mentioned but there is a certain unspecified number.
(for example: Germany
Protestant 34%, Roman Catholic 34%, Muslim 3.7%, unaffiliated or other 28.3%)
There are certainly Jews among the 28,3% - as well as for example atheists from central Germany)

ad 1:
Country___Population___Jews%__Jews
Algerien___32.531.853___1,0%__325.319
Argent.____39.537.943__2,0%__790.759
France_____60.656.178__1,0%__606.562
Gaza______1376289____0,6%__8.258
Gibraltar___27.884______2,1%__586
Israel_____6.276.883___76,5%_4.801.815
Moldawien_4.455.421____1,5%__66.831
Marokko__ 32.725.847___0,2%__65.452
NL Antillen_219.958______1,3%_2.859
Ukraine___47.425.336____0,2%_94.851
USA______295.734.134__1,0%__2.957.341
Uruguay___3.415.920____1,0%__34.159
West Bank_2.385.615___17,0%__405.555

Sum of group 1: 10.160.346 Jews
The CIA figure for the USA is only 2,9 M but in reality in the USA there live more than 6 M Jews - that means we already found over 13 M Jews. (see Robertos post USA: 2001 6,155,000)

:D :D :D

ad 2:
Country___Population___Jews+%__Jews
Belorus____10.300.483__20,0%_2.060.097
Iran_______68.017.860__2,0%__1.360.357
Swaziland__1.173.900___30,0%__352.170
Sweden____9.001.774___13,0%_1.170.231
Tunesien___10.074.951__1,0%__100.750

Sum: 5.043.604
These 5 M people contain many Jews, we do not know exactly how many.

ad 3:
There are many countries missing in group 1 or 2 that are well known for a big Jewish population that the CIA does not even mentions - like Russia or the UK.

Here are some of these countries:

Country___Population___Jews+%__Jews
Russia___143.420.309___1,0%__1.434.203
Polen_____38.635.144____8,3%_3.206.717
Lettland___2.290.237______0
Litauen____3.596.617____5,5%__197.814
Estland____1.332.893____32,0% _426.526
Finnland___5.223.442____0,1%__5.223
Germany__82.431.390___38,3%__31.571.222 (only few Jews)
UK_______60.441.457___1,6%__967.063
Canada___32.805.041___11,8%__3.870.995

In Germany live about 200,000 Jews, so the sum (of these countries) is about 10 M.

Roberto asked:

So, where do we locate the expectable results of the supposed emigration of more than 3 million Polish Jews, plus at least as many Jews from the Soviet Union (considering natural population growth since 1926) within its borders as of 1 September 1939?

Ideas are welcome.


So it is your choice, Roberto.
Any ideas?
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Postby Radar » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:03 pm)

I'm no expert on this topic but I can tell you one thing: US statistics on Jewish immigration during and after the WWII period are completely worthless. There was no attempt to classify immigrants as Jews and the figures from Jewish sources in the chart posted are useless.

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Postby kk » 1 decade 4 years ago (Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:08 pm)

I would surely like to hear more on this topic.
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Postby Hannover » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:19 am)

Roberto, who ClaudiaRothenbach just exposed as an utter fraud, previously posted here as 'Cortagravatas'. His fraudulent attempts are not new. See him attempt to refute Revisionist studies about 'gassings' & cyanide residue at the previous CODOH bbs.
Follow his post & the one afterwards, start here:
http://forum.codoh.com/codoh/438.html#9

Then see Roberto ('Cortagravatas') demolished about a German patent that allegedly could cremate a corpse with 3.5 kg of coke, a scientific impossibility. Follow this mercifully short thread:
http://forum.codoh.com/codoh/493.html

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:51 am)

Radar wrote:I'm no expert on this topic but I can tell you one thing: US statistics on Jewish immigration during and after the WWII period are completely worthless. There was no attempt to classify immigrants as Jews and the figures from Jewish sources in the chart posted are useless.


I do not doubt that. What I wanted to show is that the source that Roberto cited (CIA) as well as his USA statistics prove exactly the opposite of what he wanted to tell us.
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Postby J William » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:17 am)

The six million (why does that figure sound familiar?) Jews of the United States is a gross underestimation. The loss to American Jewery is approaching 50% due to intermarriage and other causes. In the early 1980s I heard a Jewish spokesman complain that the true figure for persons of Jewish background in the USA would approach 12 million if the assimiulated ex-Jews were counted in the statistics of Jews in the USA. Where did they go? It is obvious, they didn't go anywhere. According to their own spokesman they are still there but no longer religous Jews. I guess a rabbi that compiles the number of Jews in an area would consider the ones that dropped out as dead. It is much more comforting for the rabbi to think that the smaller number of Jews in the world is due to the Holocaust rather than the true reasons.

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Postby grenadier » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:41 am)

Good job Claudia! :wink:

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Postby Barrington James » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:51 pm)

Two points:

(1) The Jewish population in the USA has to be a lot more than 6,000,000. There must be close to that many in New York City alone. There is probably at least that many more in total in Miami, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia. Now if we include Chicago, Houston, San Antonio, San Francisco and the other dozens of large USA cities, a quick count of the Jews in America has to be at least 12, 000,000, despite a rate of assimilation that is down right scary for the Zionists.

(2) The Jews of Poland were not like the Jews of Germany. Unlike the German Jews who were part of the German population: school teachers, lawyers, doctors, soldiers, writers, scientists, business men, some of the wealthiest in Germany, the Poles were foreigners in Poland, most of them not being able to even speak Polish. They got out of Poland as fast as they could when they sensed disaster. They had no loyality to Poland. They went everywhere. Despite the efforts of the Zionists, who were working hand in hand with the Nazis to get Jews into Palestine, to block their escape to USA, South America, Africa, Australia and Russia, most of the Jews got away. They were clever people, used to a thousand years of persecution, and most of them knew what to do in case of a disaster. Flee- and they did.
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Postby Goethe » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:25 pm)

... used to a thousand years of persecution, and most of them knew what to do in case of a disaster. Flee- and they did.

Persecution? Reaction to their egregious behavior is a better description. If they were 'persecuted', then why were they allowed into so many countries time after time in the first place?
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Postby Carto's Cutlass Supreme » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:41 pm)

"Where did the Jews go? Did they disappear out of thin air?" It is a common question from people who think revisionism is the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard.

The answer that they emigrated is too outlandish for them to believe.

But consider Alexander Donat's book "Death Camp Treblinka" (1979) On page 284, he lists the 60 supposed survivors, and what's known about them as of the mid 70's. Most every entry states as the first sentence "Now living in Israel." But consider the first two sentences for Berek Rojzman on page 289:

Berek Rojzman (b. 1910) Now a butcher in Warsaw. Rojzman is the only Treblinka survivor to have remained in Poland.

Donat lists 69 people, for 13 of those, he has no information.

Extrapolate from this tidbit of data, and one could put forth that for every 56 Jews in Poland, 55 left, and 1 stayed. And that's the only way we're ever going to get data: accidentally. Here we have to get it from a holocaust book of all places.

Emigration was mostly to Israel, but also to U.S. Canada, South America.

Can you believe it? A holocaust book that supports, with data, the revisionist thesis that most Jews emigrated after the war to Israel.

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Postby ClaudiaRothenbach » 1 decade 4 years ago (Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:55 pm)

There are more figures for certain countries on the site:
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/world-jewish-population.htm

Here they are:
Canada_____364.000
UK_________275.000
Russia______650.000
Germany____115.000
Brazil_______97.000
South Africa__88.000
Ungarn______100.000
Sum about 1.7M

The more than 13 M number is now more than 14.7 M. :shock:

(We still have to add
- 6 M US-Jews (?)
- Converted or atheistic Jews
- Jews in not yet mentioned countries (for example Iran, Chile, ...)
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Postby Haldan » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 23, 2006 5:35 pm)

Many Jews also went to Shanghai. There's even a movie, entitled Shanghai Ghetto, which I don't know much about, but it apparently details the way Jews left Europe to Shanghai, etc,. Not only did the Jews leave on their own to various destinations all across the world, but many had the assistance of the JDC (American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee).

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Postby Markion » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:17 pm)

To Sailor: I am quite familiar with Latvia, as I lived there for a time and still have contacts. If you have questions or requests I´ll see what I can do for you. I am interested in your investigations.
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Postby Obersto » 1 decade 4 years ago (Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:21 pm)

Are any of you familiar with the statistical works on the subject of Jewish population by Sergio della Pergola? The Believers seem to be plugging his work quite a bit lately.

http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/concepts/demography/demtables.html
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