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Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 9 months ago (Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:38 pm)

I found a BBC article about recently deceased Chaim Ferster who survived EIGHT apparently inefficient death camps.
Story is pretty much the same as usual:
"He witnessed mass executions, children crying for their murdered parents, bodies being burnt in the gas chambers and survived death marches."
And of course important number six is mentioned.
"There were bodies lying on pallets, six one way, six the other way."
Full article here:
Holocaust survivor Chaim Ferster, who survived eight Nazi death camps, dies
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-38893479

When I read this, I remembered another story and made a quick search to find the story.
I found a couple more with the usual Mengele, death marches and so on additions. And number six.
I thought to start a list of these survivors.

It seems that Mr. Chaim Ferster was a record holder surviving eight (death) camps.

Hershl "Henry" Sperling survived seven Nazi concentration camps, one of those being Treblinka
where he worked as Sonderkommando.
He was also assigned to Josef Mengele's special work detail in Auschwitz.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... t-him.html

Ernst Bornstein survived seven Nazi death camps
Only Auschwitz and death march mentioned, so six camp names are missing.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/history/6 ... ht-memoirs
Gross-Rosen is mentioned in Daily Mail article which details the fate of his family.
"Later he discovered that of his extended family numbering 72 in 1939, only six survived the war including himself and his sister Regina."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/art ... z4YEwrHC9y
Terezín (Theresienstadt) is mentioned here:
http://www.holocaust.cz/en/database-of- ... bornstein/
Three out of six camp names.

Tadeusz Sobolewicz (Polish non-Jewish) survivor of six Nazi concentration camps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Sobolewicz

Henia Bryer survived four Nazi concentration camps
Majdanek, Plaszow, Auschwitz-Birkenau "where she saw notorious camp doctor Josef Mengele"*
and Bergen-Belsen
*http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-21200051
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life- ... zi-1556662

Helga Weiss (married name of Weissova-Hoskova) survived four Nazi concentration camps
"Like Anne Frank, she kept a diary."*
Her camp story mentions Terezín (Theresienstadt), Auschwitz, Freiberg and Mauthausen.
"On an Auschwitz station platform in 1944, Helga Weiss and her mother fooled one of the most reviled men in modern history,
Josef Mengele, and managed to save their lives."
** - Why so careless? Working too much Josef?
* My diary of a Nazi death camp childhood
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... death-camp
** The schoolgirl who survived the Holocaust by fooling the Nazis
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/ ... -the-nazis

More of her stories about butterflies, lice and bedbugs:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/book ... vivor.html

OK, these death camps were not working as they should have and people were transferred to other camps where the same happened...
I'd like to know how much there are these survivors of several "death camps", how many "death camps" they did survive from and names those "death camps".
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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby borjastick » 2 years 8 months ago (Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:57 am)

There was a woman on Channel 4 news last night. She was interviewed at a recent Holocaust Memorial event and introduced as having survived four death camps. Yeah whatever.

In reality she was moved through four camps as the workforce required and proves absolutely that a) they weren't death camps and b) that many inmates were moved all around the camp system.

And on the BB2 evening quiz show Eggheads the other night there was a lady contestant who I immediately thought was a camp survivor by the way she looked and talked, who said loud and proud that she survived Auschwitz Birkenau. She wrote a book which I think she said is entitled The Woman Without A Tattoo, but I couldn't find it on Amazon.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby borjastick » 2 years 8 months ago (Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:48 pm)

Little Ted wrote:https://www.amazon.co.uk/Woman-without-Number-Iby-Knill/dp/095647876X

This woman borjastick?

Ah that's the woman. I must have got the book's title wrong. I must pay more attention to the television!
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 8 months ago (Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:57 pm)

OK, this Iby Knill survived Auschwitz but was she in other camps too? Maybe I need to get that book to find out.
I tried to search Channel 4 web page for that news clip without results. Any way to find it?
Articles I found on her didn't tell anything, just the all too well known story kept secret for decades: Train-Auschwitz-Mengele-Twins-Gas Chamber....
"For 60 years, Iby Knill (right) kept secret the fact that she had survived the horrors of the Nazi concentration camps – even from her children."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/art ... z4YIzPbJkS

Well, of course that's what these "survivors" of prison time did and apparently some still do.
Keep their mouths shut for decades until they see something they don't like on the current events
and suddenly they break their silence.

Guess who was waiting for Iby Knill at Auschwitz? Thilo? Wirths?
"When the train stopped and the doors slid open, Josef Mengele – the SS officer and physician known as the Angel of Death – was waiting to select those who would be spared, and those who would be sent to the gas chamber immediately."
What a surprise.

"She spent six weeks at the infamous death camp"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/au ... me-3018879
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby Dresden » 2 years 8 months ago (Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:25 pm)

HeiligeSturm said:

"Articles I found on her didn't tell anything, just the all too well known story kept secret for decades: Train-Auschwitz-Mengele-Twins-Gas Chamber...."

What.....no poop?
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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 8 months ago (Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:25 pm)

Dresden wrote:HeiligeSturm said:

"Articles I found on her didn't tell anything, just the all too well known story kept secret for decades: Train-Auschwitz-Mengele-Twins-Gas Chamber...."

What.....no poop?


Nope. Not even diamond covered. The thing I'm after is if she was in other (death!) camps too. If so, how many and which camps.
Maybe I'll contact Auschwitz museum later and ask a scan of her stool sample "experiment".
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 8 months ago (Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:09 pm)

Jan Komski survived 5 Death Camps
Jan Komski escaped from Auschwitz I and escaped a bullet because he had false identity when he was originally taken in custody.
He was taken to Montelupich Prison and later to Birkenau.
His Auschwitz I prisoner number 564 changed to Auschwitz II prisoner number 152,884 and the SS didn't seem to care about the old tattoo.
As far I know Auschwitz was the only place where the numbers were tattooed on the prisoners and SS would have checked his
earlier number from register.
Komski's "death camps" are Auschwitz-Birkenau, Buchenwald, then to Gross-Rosen, Hersbruck and Dachau.
http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/Komski.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Komski

Sonia Weitz survived 5 Death Camps
Plaszow, Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, Venusberg (subcamp of Flossenbürg), and Mauthausen
http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/o ... ory_alive/
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby Inquisitor » 2 years 8 months ago (Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:54 pm)

borjastick wrote:In reality she was moved through four camps as the workforce required and proves absolutely that a) they weren't death camps and b) that many inmates were moved all around the camp system.


It's remarkable how much more sensible, rational and indeed plausible the truth sounds.


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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby Hannover » 2 years 8 months ago (Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:14 am)

Not that many camps, but let's not forget Moshe Peer who claims to have survived SIX gassings at Bergen-Belsen. :lol:

Even the shysters who fraudulently promote the impossible 'holocau$t' gassings elsewhere admit there were no gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen.

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Hey, Revisionists are just the messengers. The impossible absurdity of the 'holocaust' storyline is the message.

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- The mere fact that we have so many "survivors" when it's claimed that 'the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on' blows away the impossible '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.

- If Jews are so sure that millions of Jews were murdered, then why do they ask such dumb questions like "what happened to them?"
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 8 months ago (Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:56 am)

Hannover wrote:Not that many camps, but let's not forget Moshe Peer who claims to have survived SIX gassings at Bergen-Belsen. :lol:

I think those shower survivor stories deserve a separate thread of their own.
Hannover wrote:Even the shysters who fraudulently promote the impossible 'holocau$t' gassings elsewhere admit there were no gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen.

Yes and this is one of my favorites:
Bergen-Belsen The Star.jpg
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"Incorrect information was published in a Sept. 15 article about a Bell Canada ad campaign withdrawn because it referred to a controversial song by the Sex Pistols about Bergen-Belsen. The Star regrets the error."
https://www.thestar.com/news/2007/09/20 ... mbers.html
Belsen Vos a Gassa!
But still occasionally and unfortunately the old Bergen-Belsen gassing legend lives on.
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Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby borjastick » 2 years 8 months ago (Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:49 am)

HeiligeSturm wrote:OK, this Iby Knill survived Auschwitz but was she in other camps too? Maybe I need to get that book to find out.
I tried to search Channel 4 web page for that news clip without results. Any way to find it?


Actually the Channel Four report wasn't about Iby Knill but another lady at a holocaust memorial event. She was asked about the current issue being reported that of Google searches on holocaust denial. It is under the current 'fake news' agenda which in my opinion is total nonsense.

The interviewer started the 'fake news' story by google searching for climate change but as soon as she got going into the meat of the story she switched onto holocaust denial by googling 'the holocaust is'. The google search came up with 'hoax' 'fake' 'not true' etc etc. She then presented that as proof that google is promoting holocaust denial. This is a complete lie but a convenient way for the holocaust once again to get prime time tv exposure.

Google will automatically show the most popular searches just as it would if you typed in 'how many people died in the'. Answer five is 'holocaust'. No suggestion of a conspiracy or hoax at all. I have just done the above and then I did 'was 911' and the answers came up 'real' 'staged' 'fake'. That doesn't mean google is promoting 911 denial.

I'm off topic now but it's an interesting phenomenon. If you now google 'did the holocaust' the answer is 'happen'. Then followed by loads of websites showing that it did actually happen, no denier sites on page one.
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 8 months ago (Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:18 pm)

Jack Mandelbaum survived five or seven concentration camps.
Gross-Rosen, Blechhammer and three or five other camps. I guess camp names are irrelevant and we just have to believe what he says.

Left or right Mr. Mandelbaum?

"Mr. Mandelbaum said he was first sent to the right side with his mother and brother.
After he showed the Nazis a certificate designating him as an electrician, they then sent him to the left side to work."

http://www.vance.af.mil/News/ArticleDis ... eedom.aspx

"The people who were to the left were sent to Auschwitz to be gassed. I never saw them again."
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/27/381876276 ... ast-second

The first of five or seven camps?

"To the Nazis, he became prisoner 16013 and spent the next three years at seven concentration camps.
The first was Gross-Rosen, where prisoners worked in a granite quarry."

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/27/381876276 ... ast-second

"Separated from the last of his family, Mr. Mandelbaum was sent to Blechhammer, the first of five concentration camps he would see"
http://www.vance.af.mil/News/ArticleDis ... eedom.aspx
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Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe

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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby Hektor » 2 years 8 months ago (Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:40 pm)

borjastick wrote:There was a woman on Channel 4 news last night. She was interviewed at a recent Holocaust Memorial event and introduced as having survived four death camps. Yeah whatever.

In reality she was moved through four camps as the workforce required and proves absolutely that a) they weren't death camps and b) that many inmates were moved all around the camp system.

And on the BB2 evening quiz show Eggheads the other night there was a lady contestant who I immediately thought was a camp survivor by the way she looked and talked, who said loud and proud that she survived Auschwitz Birkenau. She wrote a book which I think she said is entitled The Woman Without A Tattoo, but I couldn't find it on Amazon.


Simon Wiesenthal claimed he was in a number of concentration camps.
Otto Frank was in Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen at least.
Several of the Frankfurt Auschwitz Trial Witnesses were in several camps or work details. I recall them to be Communist Jews. Shouldn't they have been gassed for that two times.

I'm sure there are more. But I think I have to look for the sources.

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Re: Survivors of several "death camps"

Postby HeiligeSturm » 2 years 4 months ago (Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:08 am)

Iby "The Woman Without A Number" Knill
claims that
- she
was told her number was 25245 and that she would have this tattooed onto her skin.
"There were so many people coming they ran out of ink," she explains.

A bit strange excuse for a missing tattoo.

One day as they workers were marched through the town, they saw American tanks on the road.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/ausc ... ld-5051010
American in tanks in Oswiecim/Auschwitz?
She sounds like very reliable witness.
Carol Stulberg: Were you ever in the gas chamber? Did you see the gas chamber?
Morris Venezia: Of course I was every day over there.
Carol Stulberg: Can you describe to us what it looked like?
Morris Venezia: It’s nothing to describe


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