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Translation of Short note on “The Central Database of Shoah Victims’ Names” and the number of deaths reported therein

Postby Hieldner » 3 years 4 months ago (Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:44 pm)

First attempt of a translation of http://codoh.com/library/document/4219/, mentioned in a recent post http://codoh.com/library/document/4225/. URLs and comments are added in square brackets.

Short note on “The Central Database of Shoah Victims’ Names” and the number of deaths reported therein



The article “How to increase the number of Holocaust deaths”[1] incontrovertibly exposes real and serious problems, but those are not the only ones, nor the most important.

Noteworthy is also the comment of a reader about the Yad Vashem “database” (which would record “the names and biographical details of two thirds of the six million Jews murdered by the Nazis and their accomplices. Two million more still remain unidentified”,[2] i. e., approximately 4 million in total), but rather for the problems he (indirectly) poses than for the solutions he believes to offer:

“Even if a million names have been made up out of thin air, there are still the other millions of names which are documented in detail”.

What does that mean, in concrete terms, “names which are documented in detail”?

The question, in more explicit terms, that should be asked: which are the sources that allow us to identify the names of Holocaust victims?

In the case of “Jews murdered my the Nazis and their accomplices”, given that there is not a single documented name of a supposedly gassed victim (since there is neither documentary evidence of “gas chambers” nor of “gassings”), there is no list of names of Jews executed by the Einsatzgruppen in conjunction with the Police. There remain only the lists of Jews killed in retaliation by order of SS courts, while attempting to escape etc. which are extremely small
categories from a numerical point of view.

If we talk about dead Jews, there are two main groups of documentary sources:

  1. The lists of those deceased in concentration camps (especially the Sterbebücher, Death Books, Totenbücher, Books of Deceased Prisoners)
  2. The lists of deaths in the ghettos.

These deaths fall into what the SS called “natural mortality”.

It is difficult to evaluate these nominal (???) fatalities. From a letter of the Standesamt Arolsen of May 11, 1979, we know with certainty that the number of certified deaths until the end of 1978 in all German concentration camps was 217,304 [sic, it’s 271,304].

This figure naturally includes both Jewish and non-Jewish prisoners.

The subsequent delivery of death lists by the Russian authorities to the Auschwitz Museum has brought the number of deaths for this camp up from 52,389 to 68,864, which doesn’t change anything in the big picture. There’s no general data about the ghettos. For Warsaw,
among the larger ones, there are about 10,000 documented names of deceased persons, for Lodz perhaps about 47,000 in total and for Theresienstadt about 34,000 in total. Adding any possible death lists from other ghettos, one would hardly arrive at 350,000.

Where, then, do the alleged four million names suddenly appear from?

In part from the lists of deportees to concentration camps and alleged extermination camps; in the “database” of Yad Vashem, the deported persons of whom there are no further news are ipso facto considered as murdered (“gassed”) on the date of arrival of the transport.

However, it is highly doubtful that the name lists of transports that have been preserved contain more than (4,000,000 - 350,000 =) 3,650,000 names. The most important name registers (Germany, France, Belgium, Theresienstadt, Netherlands) contain a total amount of about 280,000 names. It should be noted that the deportation lists to Theresienstadt refer to the “Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia”, roughly the present Czech Republic, but include deportees from Germany, as well; furthermore, all the deceased deportees confirmed by documents are already included in the death books of the camps or ghettos. In particular, most of the Jews deported from the abovementioned countries were sent to Auschwitz and the deceased are contained in the respective death registers. For the eastern camps there is a deportation list with about 34,000 names of Dutch Jews to Sobibór (already included in the above figure of 280,000). Putting together all the other transport lists, it’s possible to get 300,000, up to 350,000 names, yet there would still remain missing 3,300,000 names: where do they come from?

Settling the question of repeated entries with the same name (for example, because of different documents and/or various reports from “witnesses” or simply duplication of the same document) can not explain this huge difference, so we have to ask Yad Vashem: historians, pull out your documents, if they exist!

But the matter has all the appearances of a giant sham.

* * *


One thing even less known is that the “database” in question also records the names of survivors!

The reports below, as an example, are the result of a brief survey conducted in the “database” on the basis of a list of certified survivors of a transport from Prague to the Lodz ghetto on 16 October, 1941. Many of these survivors are registered as dead, some even twice! The source is: Terezínská pemĕtní kniha. Terezínská Iniciativa. Melantrich, 1995, vol. I, p. 90 (therein the names of 24 survivors are listed):

Furthermore, there are two identical names which are phonetically similar:

* * *


For further illustration, a random sample from a very cursory research. In the “database” the following Jews transferred from Riga to Stutthof on July 19, 1944, are listed as dead and are regularly registered there:
  • Goldbaum Getrude, 03/05/1900, Czech, registered as Goldbaumova Ge[r]truda: list number 684, registration number 48577; the “database” says: “Transport H from Praha,Praha Hlavni Mesto,Bohemia,Czechoslovakia to Theresienstadt,Ghetto,Czechoslovakia on 30/11/1941”. The “type of material” is a “List of Theresienstadt camp inmates” and the status is “murdered/perished” [now the status is only “murdered” http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.html?itemId=4851724].
    In the aforementioned register of Czech Jews deported to Theresienstadt, Ms. Goldbaum is deported to Riga on January 9, 1942 (p. 160), but isn’t listed among the survivors.
  • Todtenkopf Lina, 30/11/1901, Germany, registered under the same name: list number 826, registration number 48729.
    The “database” cites the source “*Gedenkbuch – Opfer der Verfolgung der Juden unter der nationalsozialistischen Gewaltherrschaft in Deutschland 1933–1945, Bundesarchiv (German National Archives), Koblenz 1986*” (Memorial Book of the Victims of Persecution of Jews under National Socialist Tyranny in Germany 1933–1945, Federal Archive, Koblenz (German National Archives), Koblenz. 1986). Her status is: missing. The material type is: “List of murdered Jews from Germany”. [This entry has the status “murdered” http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.html?itemId=11646746.]
    Todtenkopf Lina, 30/11/1901, Germany, recorded a second time; the type of material is “List of deportations from Berlin”, the source is another edition of Gedenkbuch (Gedenkbuch Berlins der jüdischen Opfer des Nazionalsozialismus [sic], Freie Universität Berlin, Zentralinstitut für sozialwissenschaftliche Forschung, Edition Hentrich, Berlin 1995); the place of presumed death is “Riga,Rigas,Vidzeme,Latvia”. [This entry has status “missing” http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.html?itemId=4137320.]
  • Weil Mariane, 14/02/1909 is registered as Marianne Weil; list number 706, registration number 48599. [http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.html?itemId=11651708.]
  • Levitan Leiba, 25.02.1932, n.d.l. 292, registration number 48195, appears in “a list of Jews murdered in Klooga camp, 1941–1944”, but the Klooga massacre took place on September 19, 1944, after the prisoner had been transferred to Stutthof. [There’s no date of birth in this entry http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.h ... Id=5853081.]
  • Schick, Teresia, 12.08.1897, list number 1921, registration number 48924, appears in a “List of murdered Jews from Austria”, but her status is “murdered/perished”. [This entry has no birth date, the status has changed to “murdered” http://yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.html?itemId=4972967.]

Whether these Jews have died, or have rather been executed, doesn’t follow from any document.

This is a small but significant sample of the seriousness and “scientific rigor” of this “database” and of those who filled it.

What results would a systematic and thorough study bring?

Notes

[1] http://olodogma.com/wordpress/2013/04/2 ... e-via-web/ ; http://codoh.com/library/document/4218/
[2] http://db.yadvashem.org/names/search.html?language=en
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Re: Translation of Short note on “The Central Database of Shoah Victims’ Names” and the number of deaths reported therei

Postby Hannover » 3 years 4 months ago (Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:00 pm)

Good work and many thanks, Hieldner.

- Hannover

The mere fact that we have massive numbers of "survivors" when it's claimed that 'the Germans tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on' blows away the scam of the impossible '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers'.

If Jews are so sure that millions of Jews were murdered, then why do they ask such dumb questions like "what happened to them?"
If it can't happen as alleged, then it didn't.

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Translation of Gassed at Treblinka and deceased in Minsk

Postby Hieldner » 3 years 4 months ago (Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:59 pm)

Here’s another translated article of the same series, source http://codoh.com/library/document/4223/. I figured that encoder means something like enter/register sth. (in a database) in the context of this article, mémorial something like (database) entry most of the time, but maybe you can find a better translation. Still unclear phrases are marked with (???), errors and bad style are included for you to discover and report.

Gassed at Treblinka and deceased in Minsk




Published: 2006-03-01

  • We know that Yad Vashem embarked on listing the names of 6 million Jews exterminated by the Germans; currently there are 3 million names, but, as we have seen in Dubitando No. 3, the database is a hotchpotch: you can certainly find the names of Jews who unquestionably died in the course and because of their tragic deportation, but you can also find a large number of names of Jews who died in combat, died of old age or a natural death, or even Jews who survived the deportation (as Henri Krasucki [1]); Finally, there is an incredible number of duplicates.[2] In this way, Yad Vashem has probably increased the number of Jews who died because of their deportation by a factor of 2 or 3.
  • Since our last visit, Yad Vashem has uncovered and registered the entries of the Berlin Jews (more than 52,000 names); however, they had previously registered the entries of the German Jews which already included the names of the Berlin Jews; therefore, these 52,000 Jews have been counted one more time in the database; those who had been deported from the Netherlands or from France (several thousands, including 500 who were from Palatinate [Pfalz] and the Land of Baden, when the evacuation of the Jews from these areas to Gurs was organized) have thus been counted up to three times and those deported to Lodz might have been counted four times; there are also (and this detail speaks volumes about the Jewish casualness with statistics) 157 Norwegian Jews who have simply been transited through Berlin; some 1250 unfortunates who chose to commit suicide rather than abandon their homes have not been forgotten, but that is understandable. Those who were deported to Theresienstadt and to destinies which we will examine later in this article, are also counted at least three times, because Yad Vashem had already registered the entries of this camp: these are nearly 15,000; nevertheless, some of them might be counted a fourth time if they were transferred through Auschwitz and died there, since Yad Vashem has additionally registered the names in the camp’s Death Books once more of which, contrary to what has been feared, they only entered the names that sound Jewish. An example other than Berlin: In Dubitando No. 4[3] we have seen that the father of the Paris historian Henri Minczeles, who died at Auschwitz, was listed four times in the database; he is now included a fifth time.
    Of course, Yad Vashem has also entered the testimonies of the relatives of the dead, which only inflates the numbers. Thus, we have to say that the 52,000 Berlin Jews were included three times on average
  • Apropos testimonies: Yad Vashem launches an urgent appeal because they seem to have difficulties getting beyond the 3 million “exterminated” Jews. It appears the appeal was heard by some: an Israeli woman testified in this way for 246 Dutch Jews with the designation “friend”, “close friend”, “family friend” or simply “acquaintance”; however, all of them were already included at least once in the database. This appeal to witnesses (who are the source of more than 50 % of the database entries, according to a survey) will only aggravate this inflation of numbers.
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    The French Committee for Yad Vashem reminds you through our channel of the urgency and the need, for those of you who haven’t already done so, to fill in the testimonial documents concerning your exterminated family(ies), as well as any person, girl- or boyfriend(s), neighbour(s), that you remember. Submit your claims (???) to our headquarters. 39 Boulevard Beaumarchais, 75003 Paris.
  • We can also find the names of Hungarian Jews who died in the ranks of the labor battalions of the Hungarian army among the new database entries and one may wonder if it is normal to count them as “exterminated”.
  • We have also seen it was a myth that the database contained evidence of gassings at Auschwitz. Thus, the children of the ghetto Lodz who were allegedly gassed at Auschwitz were found alive after the war: they were only transported through Auschwitz.
    But we can also find evidence that the gassing of Jews at Treblinka is another myth.
    Historians claim that almost all Jews deported to Treblinka were gassed, because there was no selection between those able to work and the unfit as at Auschwitz; the SS spared only the lives of a few to help them with their sinister work and then killed them at the end of the operation of the camp.
    Among the transports (???), there were transports from Theresienstadt; in this Czech village the Germans had ghettoized a large number of old Jews from various origins (German, Austrian, etc.); the provisional Jewish policy of the Germans was then to move the Jews “farther east” until they were able to relocate them permanently outside Europe (to Madagascar, for example) and they had deported a large number of them to the Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltic countries via Auschwitz, Sobibor, Belzec and Treblinka. Thus, 10 convoys finally left Theresienstadt for Treblinka in 1942. In one of them was Siegmund Rothstein from Berlin, whose name is found in the Yad Vashem database.
    • First, let me say that the name of this deportee from Berlin is entered three times in the database, for the reasons explained above.
    • But still more interesting is the journey taken by this deportee that is described in the database. Rothstein, born in 1867, was 75 years of age when he was deported from Berlin to Theresienstadt in August 1942, which means that he could only be deemed unfit for work and therefore, according to official historiography, had to be sent to the gas chamber; in this case, why was he sent to Theresienstadt? This is one of the many mysteries of the Holocaust religion, but let’s move on. From there, he was deported again to Treblinka on September 26, 1942 (transport Br), where, according to the historians, he was gassed at arrival. The editors of the Czech entry consequently go no further: for them, as well, Rothstein died at Treblinka.
    However, when the German entry mentions the death of Rothstein, it places it much further east, in Belarus—in Minsk to be precise!
    In fact, and as already mentioned, S. Rothstein isn’t a special case: many Berliners (in addition to elderly Jews from other parts of Germany) were afterwards deported to Theresienstadt and from there to Treblinka, but on behalf of the German authorities none of those unable to work were died at Treblinka and all of those who didn’t return died in Minsk or elsewhere.
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    The deportation of S. Rothstein (and many others); in dashed lines, the segment hidden by historians.

    It is impossible not to see the evidence that those unable to work who were sent to Treblinka weren’t gassed but sent further east to Belarus (where, incidentally, many transports of Jews arrived directly from Germany and Austria, even from Theresienstadt).
    The work carried out at great expense at Yad Vashem and celebrated by some media organizations to the sound of the shofar is therefore surprisingly counterproductive because the consultation of this database allows any man of common sense to conclude that:
    • the number of 6 million dead Jews due to deportations is a myth and even an outright lie;[4]
    • the gassing of Jews at Auschwitz and Treblinka is another myth. Hence the need for liberticidal laws.

Notes

[1] Or Henri Bulawko or Simone Veil, who have told us the same, but their names (and that of Madeleine, sister of Simone, also a survivor) have just been withdrawn from the database. However, the names of the majority of the survivors from France are still there.
[2] Dead deportees are often listed several times, like the unfortunate parents and the brother of Simone Veil (included twice), the father of Robert Badinter (included twice), the father of Serge Klarsfeld (included three times), the father of Henri Minczeles (included five times), etc.
[3] Jean-Marie Boisdefeu, Dubitando: Textes révisionnistes (2004–2008), La Sfinge, Rome, 2009, chapter XV, pp. 79–80, notes: Note that Szepel Minczles is included 4 times in the Yad Vashem database of the dead (based on the following sources: Mémorial by S. Klarsfeld / testimony of his son Roger in 1978 / testimony of his son Henri in 1978 / second testimony of the same Henri in 1999).
[4] Note that the average number now held by historians is 5 millions; hence, it would be necessary to stop quoting the 6 million figure.
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Re: Translation of Gassed at Treblinka and deceased in Minsk

Postby Hieldner » 3 years 4 months ago (Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:08 am)

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Re: Translation of Short note on “The Central Database of Shoah Victims’ Names” and the number of deaths reported therei

Postby cold beer » 3 years 4 months ago (Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:17 pm)

This is very interesting material.
Could I ask for someone to please post screen shots of the relevant pages of this database, before they disappear.
In particular the individual(s) who are/is alleged to have been murdered in Treblinka but also entered as dying at locations to the east, in Russia.
I would do this myself if I wasn't without a computer, I'm limited to using an android device meant for use with the tv, the browser is very limited.


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