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Re: Mauthausen arguments

Postby hermod » 6 months 4 weeks ago (Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:39 am)

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:He was crystal clear about what camps he was referring to:

Broszat wrote:Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed.


C'mon, Black Rabbit. In his letter, Broszat repeatedly linked Dachau, Belsen and Buchenwald to the "other concentration camps in the Altreich's area" and emphasized that the inmates who died there were killed by natural wartime causes such as diseases and supply problems. He didn't say "diseases, supply problems and some gassings."

In the same letter, he also wrote:

There (i.e. "in the occupied Polish territory (but nowhere in the Altreich)"), but not in Bergen-Belsen, Dachau or Buchenwald, those mass-destruction facilities disguised as shower baths or disinfecting rooms (i.e. homicidal gas chambers) were erected


You can't blame him for mentioning only the 3 Superstars (together with Auschwitz and Treblinka) of that time's Holohoax propaganda on the West side of the Iron Curtain. But his intent was clear nevertheless. He was out to save the Holohoax from its most blatant absurdities by getting rid of the embarrassing Western gas chambers. Pure damage control ! In fact, the Dachau gas chamber was the best gas chamber (i.e. the most convincing one) on the West side of the Iron Curtain. Dropping the Dachau gas chamber of course amounted to dropping any gassing claim about the Western camps, regardless of the later back pedaling.

TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:In the late-1970s Broszat told Gita Sereny about how "Neo-Nazi and far-right publications" had misrepresented his letter in Die Zeit, and explicitly mentioned the gas chambers in Mauthausen and Sachsenhausen:


He of course regretted his 1960 words, or rather the use of his 1960 words, later. He didn't like seeing his 1960 damage control attempt be used to damage the Holohoax. Unsurprisingly, he claimed 2 decades later that his letter had been misrepresented by 'evil neo-Nazis' (the usual convenient scapegoats of the West), but it hadn't. In the late 1970's, Broszat was merely recanting a former recantation. A classic of the Holo-scam !! Quite funny to note that the exterminationist method of recanting former recantations still continues to this day and that the exterminationist "damage controllers" have now even resurrected the Dachau gas chamber, though buried by Broszat and numerous others from the 1960's. What will be next? The Jewish-fat soap? The human-skin lampshades? The steam chambers?


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Re: Mauthausen arguments

Postby TheBlackRabbitofInlé » 6 months 4 weeks ago (Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:53 am)

Hannover wrote:I repeat:
Hannover wrote:'Wiesenthal Re-Confirms: ‘No Extermination Camps on German Soil’
https://codoh.com/library/document/2416/
excerpt:
In a letter published in a January issue of The Stars and Stripes, a newspaper for US military service personnel, Simon Wiesenthal re-confirmed, in passing, that “there were no extermination camps on German soil” during the Second World War. He made the identical statement in a letter published in the April 1975 issue of the British periodical Books and Bookmen.

Now if The Rabbit has any proof of gassings 'on German soil', then I challenge him to present it.

So, you think Wiesenthal was saying there was no gas chamber at Mauthausen etc., despite the fact that he wrote about the gas chamber of Mauthausen elsewhere. :roll:

From a book first published in 1969:

Wiesenthal, 1969 wrote:Through the terrors of Plaszow; I got to know Gross-Rosen and Buchenwald, and finally after countless detours via auxiliary camps I landed at Mauthausen.

Although the gas chamber was working at full pressure, it could not keep up with the enormous number of candidates. Day and night above the crematoria there hung a great cloud of smoke, evidence that the death industry was in full swing.

- Simon Wiesenthal, The Sunflower, New York: Schocken Books, 1976, p.79.
Nazis tried to create super-soldiers, using steroids ... they sought to reanimate the dead—coffins of famous Germanic warriors were found hidden in a mine, with plans to bring them back to life at the war’s end.
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Re: Mauthausen arguments

Postby borjastick » 6 months 4 weeks ago (Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:14 pm)

Here's the ihr opinion on the man Simon Wiesenthal and it's not pretty...
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n4p-8_weber.html

I really find it laughable when people who want to be taken seriously start quoting Simon Wiesenthal, I mean this is the joker who invented a further 5m 'others' were killed in the holocaust, just so it might interest non jews around the world. He was a lifelong shyster and liar.

Here's a taster from the above page.
...Years later, Wiesenthal was still lying about Mauthausen. In a 1983 interview with the daily newspaper USA Today, he said of his experience in Mauthausen: "I was one of 34 prisoners alive out of 150,000 who had been put there." /22 This is a blatant falsehood. The years have apparently not been kind to Wiesenthal's memory, because in his own autobiography he wrote that "almost 3,000 prisoners died in Mauthausen after the Americans liberated us on May 5, 1945." /23 Another former inmate, Evelyn Le Chene, reported in her standard work about Mauthausen that there were 64,000 inmates in the camp when it was liberated in May 1945. /24 And according to the Encyclopaedia Judaica, at least 212,000 inmates survived internment in the Mauthausen camp complex. /25
'Of the four million Jews under Nazi control in WW2, six million died and alas only five million survived.'

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Re: Mauthausen arguments

Postby Hannover » 6 months 4 weeks ago (Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:28 pm)

I previously posted:
'Wiesenthal Re-Confirms: ‘No Extermination Camps on German Soil’
https://codoh.com/library/document/2416/
excerpt:
In a letter published in a January issue of The Stars and Stripes, a newspaper for US military service personnel, Simon Wiesenthal re-confirmed, in passing, that “there were no extermination camps on German soil” during the Second World War. He made the identical statement in a letter published in the April 1975 issue of the British periodical Books and Bookmen.

Poor Rabbit, he does try so hard to avoid the truth.

What True Believer Rabbit has pointed is that Wiesenthal is liar, full of contradictions, exactly like the huge numbers of other $urvivors.
Wiesenthal most definietly said there was no gas chambers at Mauthausen (which was German soil via the addition of Austria) after lying earlier by saying there was.

Nonetheless and as to be expected, The Rabbit utterly ignored:

Jewish 'holocaust' historian Olga Wormser-Migot ("Le Système concentrationnaire nazi", Le problème des chambres à gaz) dismisses Mauthausen & Ravensbruck 'gas chambers':

"...the declarations on the gaz chamber at Ravensbrück place the beginning of its existence in Febr. 1945, date of the arrival of those evacuated from Auschwitz, the date when the Ravensbrück detainees discovered the existence of gaz chambers at Auschwitz."

on Oranienburg and Mauthausen:

"These assertions seem to be of a mythical order."
(p. 541, footnote n. 2)

Oops!

Now if The Rabbit has any proof of gassings 'on German soil', then I challenge him to present it.

I'll not hold my breath since The Rabbit also believes in such impossible activities at Polish labor camps and has failed miserably to present any proof when challenged on those.

I doesn't get an easier than challenging True Believers for proof.

- Hannover

Let's actually recall what the impossible storyline says. It says that 6,000,000 Jews, AND 5,000,000 others were murdered in the same ways in very centralized sites where enormous mass graves are alleged, the precise locations are supposedly none.
However, not a single one of these alleged enormous mass graves has been excavated, it's contents verified and shown. Why? Because they do not exist.
Imagine. In what other mass murder cases where human remains supposedly exist in locations supposedly known, go without being excavated, identified, and shown? None. And we're talking about an alleged 11,000,000 people.
Recall 900,000 Jews supposedly buried at Treblinka, 250,000 supposedly buried at Sobibor, 34,000 Jews supposedly buried at Babi Yar, on & on. But yet we see not a single excavation of the allegedly known sites.






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Re: Mauthausen arguments

Postby Pia Kahn » 6 months 4 weeks ago (Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:29 pm)

"TheBlackRabbitofInlé wrote:
He was crystal clear about what camps he was referring to:

Broszat wrote:
Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed."

That's a deceptive misinterpretation of the text.

Let me put this topic to rest. The original text is:

"...Die Massenvernichtung der Juden durch Vergasung begann 1941/1942 und fand ausschließlich an einigen wenigen hierfür ausgewählten und mit Hilfe entsprechender technischer Einrichtung versehenen Stellen, vor allem im besetzten polnischen Gebiet (aber nirgendwo im Altreich) statt: in Auschwitz-Birkenau, in Sobibor am Bug, in Treblinke, Chelmno und Belzec.

Dort, aber nicht in Bergen-Belsen, Dachau oder Buchenwald, wurden jene ... Massenvernichtungsanlagen errichtet...."

http://www.ihr.org/images/jhr/v13/jhr-1 ... szat-l.jpg

"The mass extermination of the Jews by gassing began in 1941/1942 and occurred exclusively in very few (einigen wenigen) facilities (Stellen) selected for this purpose (hierfür ausgewählt) and with the help of (mit Hilfe) appropriate technical equipment, mainly (vor allem) in the occupied Polish territory (BUT NOWHERE (nirgendwo) IN THE OLD REICH (Altreich)): in Auschwitz-Birkenau, in Sobibor next to the Bug river (am Bug), in Treblinka, Chelmno and Belzec.

There (Dort), but not (aber nicht) in Bergen-Belsen, Dachau or Buchenwald, were the mass extermination facilities built..."

I left the order of the words used in German although it may sound strange in English. This way you can easily check what is written in the original.

The Altreich is the territory of Germany prior to the unification with Austria in 1938. Thus, the mass extermination did not take place anywhere on this territory. Mauthausen is in Austria. Broszat said nothing about Mauthausen. He explicitely mentions Bergen-Belsen, Dachau or Buchenwald as not being cites of mass extermination in gas chambers. But, this is just by way of example. The words "Nirgendwo im Altreich" are unambiguous and cristall clear.

Thus, according to Broszat Sachsenhausen, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, Buchenwald, .... all the camps within the Altreich were not cites of mass extermination of the Jews by Gassings.

That's what Broszat said.

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Re: Mauthausen arguments

Postby Hannover » 6 months 4 weeks ago (Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:49 pm)

Thanks Pia, however:

Jewish 'holocaust' historian Olga Wormser-Migot ("Le Système concentrationnaire nazi", Le problème des chambres à gaz) dismisses Mauthausen & Ravensbruck 'gas chambers':

"...the declarations on the gaz chamber at Ravensbrück place the beginning of its existence in Febr. 1945, date of the arrival of those evacuated from Auschwitz, the date when the Ravensbrück detainees discovered the existence of gaz chambers at Auschwitz."

on Oranienburg and Mauthausen:

"These assertions seem to be of a mythical order." (p. 541, footnote n. 2)

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Re: Mauthausen arguments

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Re: Mauthausen arguments

Postby Zulu » 6 months 1 week ago (Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:12 pm)

Tommo wrote:Thank you for your help guys, that was very helpful. And fast!

One thing which seems not quite true is that all the Western liberated camps are "officially conceded" as is plugged into Eric's and others video's and some revisionist texts. Because that isn't exactly true is it. USHMM and Yad Vashem don't concede it, Mauthausen still maintains it on their tour and hence it's still promoted for example, even if it is ludicrous and the concessional evidence we do have are disputed or not sound.

On Mauthausen, USHMM tells
Several methods of killing were available. As in other camps, the Mauthausen authorities began to use gas as a means of killing in 1941-1942. Like some other concentration camps, Mauthausen was equipped with a stationary gas chamber with the capacity to kill up to 80 people at a time by means of Zyklon B gas (prussic acid). In 1942, the RSHA provided the camp authorities with a mobile gas van with the capacity to kill about 30 persons at a time. The SS dispatched, in addition, 2,960 prisoners from Mauthausen and 1,881 from Gusen, a total of 4.841 prisoners, to the Hartheim sanatorium and “euthanasia” killing center to be killed. German physicians and camp authorities had selected the victims within the framework of “Operation 14f13,” the extension of the Nazi “euthanasia policy” to the concentration camps.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.ph ... d=10007729

Isn't it a little weird that, while having at disposition a gas chamber and a gas van, they had to send prisoners to another place to be killed?
BTW, isn't the "Kinna Report"which states that some prisoners to be euthanized were send from Auschwitz to another camp within the framework of “Operation 14f13” as if Auschwitz wasn't sufficiently equipped with "death factories"?. Another more incoherence ?.


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