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Re: I am the one who put up posters in Calgary

Postby Hektor » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:47 pm)

youngandcurious wrote:Hi Hektor,
http://www.thegauntlet.ca/posters-quest ... -c-campus/ this article has the correct picture of the first set of posters if you scroll partway down the page, and the attached file is the one I was putting up when campus police came and talked to me. I also took the liberty of underlining the particularly incriminating statements by Yehuda Bauer, where he is quoted as saying (to Wiesenthal): "Simon, you are telling a lie".

Ah, good one. Perhaps a good start to point out that "Holocaust Survivors" may be less then honest in their accounts.
Problem is, that it's just about the figures and there you'll hear the argument:"It doesn't matter how many Jews were killed!". That's not exactly true neither, because insisting on substantially lower figures can get you into hot water. Why, if that doesn't matter?

Questioning the gas chamber part might be the most important thing to do, since that's kind of the trademark of the Holocaust.

youngandcurious wrote:It's interesting that you ask that Hektor, and while I don't want to potentially doxx myself, I know there were students that were at least curious, given the intense backlash to a simple piece of paper, and the fact that it was a properly sourced, very recent article put out by a Jewish organization, quoting Jewish historians about how people have wrong ideas about the events of WW2. Most students however I think prefer to let someone else do their thinking for them, which is too bad really.

Yes, to get more traction it's necessary to hook up with some recent event. More people will read it, otherwise it's "old news". The important thing is to get people debating the issue with their friends. Additionally the doubters should have GOOD arguments to leave a lasting impression.

The standards for university attendance have been drastically lowered and kids are dumbed down in school - It's a systemic problem. You'll anyway only be able to reach 3-5% of the audience that can think out of the box.

Personally I'd also posted some photos exposing the fraud. Like picks of the Auschwitz I "gas chamber doors", unconnected chimney or sloppy "Zyklon B hatches".

Recall having done something like that putting leaflets into books in a library. You know, putting A5/A6 leaflets into, books that people interested in the subject may pick at some point of time maybe the most efficient way to reach the right audience.

On the other hand, a public display may get a more hysterical reaction and get attention that way.



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Re: I am the one who put up posters in Calgary

Postby hermod » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:45 pm)

youngandcurious wrote: http://www.thegauntlet.ca/posters-quest ... -c-campus/ this article has the correct picture of the first set of posters

Posters questioning Holocaust death toll found on U of C campus

February 16 2017

On Feb. 13, roughly a dozen posters questioning the number of Jewish Holocaust victims were found at the University of Calgary.

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The posters included excerpts from a Jan. 31 article from the Jewish Telegraphic Agency — a Jewish news service similar to Reuters — titled “‘Remember the 11 million’? Why an inflated victims tally irks Holocaust historians.”

Parts of the original article argued that the oft-cited statistic that five million non-Jews were killed in the Holocaust is not based on credible scholarly evidence. JTA Washington D.C. bureau chief Ron Kampeas, who wrote the article, argued that “it is a number that was intended to increase sympathy for Jewish suffering but which now is more often used to obscure it.”

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However, the posters found at the University of Calgary read: “If the ‘five million’ didn’t die, did the ‘six million’ really die?” The posters suggested that since some Holocaust historians disagree on the number of non-Jews killed, the generally-accepted statistic that six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust should also be questioned.


Legitimate question. One can legitimately ask: "If a single man (Simon Wiesenthal) was able to create millions of fictitious non-Jewish Holocaust victims out of thin air, and if the Soviets were able to create [at least] 2.9 million (4M ->> 1.1M) fictitious Auschwitz victims out of thin air, how many millions of fictitious Jewish Holocaust victims were the Zionists (since their fingerprints were all over the 6-million figure from the 19th century) and pro-Zionist historians able to create out of thin air?"

One can dislike the reply or even try to silence it. But one cannot deny that it's a legitimate & logical question...
"But, however the world pretends to divide itself, there are ony two divisions in the world to-day - human beings and Germans. – Rudyard Kipling, The Morning Post (London), June 22, 1915

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Re: I am the one who put up posters in Calgary

Postby Reviso » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:58 am)

youngandcurious, you are young, try to have a solid social position before taking any risk. The enemies of revisionism are relentless. Study carefully the Holocaust question, read the arguments of both parts. Meanwhile, the following method should perhaps be tried : when one hears that a "mainstream" book says things that don't go along the usual exterminationist narrative, one reads the book and quotes the interesting passages on mainstram Internet sites. But even so, there is some risk, of course : the runners of mainstream sites are not necessarily great friends of free speach.
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Re: I am the one who put up posters in Calgary

Postby Hektor » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:54 am)

Reviso wrote:youngandcurious, you are young, try to have a solid social position before taking any risk. The enemies of revisionism are relentless. Study carefully the Holocaust question, read the arguments of both parts. Meanwhile, the following method should perhaps be tried : when one hears that a "mainstream" book says things that don't go along the usual exterminationist narrative, one reads the book and quotes the interesting passages on mainstram Internet sites. But even so, there is some risk, of course : the runners of mainstream sites are not necessarily great friends of free speach.
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Unfortunately one needs to take care of ones own self-interest in the business of Revisionism. Especially when:
- The regime in your country suppresses Revisionists with violence.
- You may get career repercussions, if being a known unbeliever in the Holocaust narrative.

Some of us were pretty naive at first and burned their fingers by being too frank on the issue.

On the other hand. One can always debate the issue in private circles. You may loose some "friends", but those are probably not the sort you'd like to keep anyway.


There is of course various approaches one can follow. Hardcore Holocaust Denial - That's confrontational. And I think that has got its place.
Then there is the more subtle approaches. You don't convince people by spoonfeeding. They just need to be confronted with hidden or less known facts and be asked:"What's the actual evidence of the Holocaust?". "How do you know he industrial scale mass gassing narrative for Auschwitz" is true.

It's important to nail them on a limited issue at first.Otherwise you get camp hopping. If you refute the Dachau gas chambers (which is inside orthodox consensus )they'll jump to Auschwitz, refute gassings there, they hop to Treblinka, etc. or they just bring up some other tales stitched to the Holocaust theme.

I'm thinking of a double paged strategy. One page debates Holocaust dubiousity in general, the other can hit on some "hot news".

Their suppression of Revisionists may however be the best entry subject to raise and to discuss.

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Re: I am the one who put up posters in Calgary

Postby cold beer » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:32 pm)

hermod wrote:
youngandcurious wrote: http://www.thegauntlet.ca/posters-quest ... -c-campus/ this article has the correct picture of the first set of posters

Posters questioning Holocaust death toll found on U of C campus

February 16 2017

On Feb. 13, roughly a dozen posters questioning the number of Jewish Holocaust victims were found at the University of Calgary.

[...]

The posters included excerpts from a Jan. 31 article from the Jewish Telegraphic Agency — a Jewish news service similar to Reuters — titled “‘Remember the 11 million’? Why an inflated victims tally irks Holocaust historians.”

Parts of the original article argued that the oft-cited statistic that five million non-Jews were killed in the Holocaust is not based on credible scholarly evidence. JTA Washington D.C. bureau chief Ron Kampeas, who wrote the article, argued that “it is a number that was intended to increase sympathy for Jewish suffering but which now is more often used to obscure it.”

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However, the posters found at the University of Calgary read: “If the ‘five million’ didn’t die, did the ‘six million’ really die?” The posters suggested that since some Holocaust historians disagree on the number of non-Jews killed, the generally-accepted statistic that six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust should also be questioned.


Legitimate question. One can legitimately ask: "If a single man (Simon Wiesenthal) was able to create millions of fictitious non-Jewish Holocaust victims out of thin air, and if the Soviets were able to create [at least] 2.9 million (4M ->> 1.1M) fictitious Auschwitz victims out of thin air, how many millions of fictitious Jewish Holocaust victims were the Zionists (since their fingerprints were all over the 6-million figure from the 19th century) and pro-Zionist historians able to create out of thin air?"

One can dislike the reply or even try to silence it. But one cannot deny that it's a legitimate & logical question...


I made a very similar point in another thread.
To any believer who asks "if there were no gas chambers where did the 6 million jews go?", the best response is... "where did the 5 million others go?".
The public was none the wiser, so If they can falsely tell the public for decades that 5 million non-jews were holocausted, why can't they do the same with 6 million jews?

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Re: I am the one who put up posters in Calgary

Postby hermod » 3 months 2 weeks ago (Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:25 am)

cold beer wrote:I made a very similar point in another thread.
To any believer who asks "if there were no gas chambers where did the 6 million jews go?", the best response is... "where did the 5 million others go?".
The public was none the wiser, so If they can falsely tell the public for decades that 5 million non-jews were holocausted, why can't they do the same with 6 million jews?


Response of a naive believer: Because a journalist wrote "the generally-accepted statistic that six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust."

"Generally-accepted statistic." Waw ! That sounds very impressive, doesn't it? I'm sure nobody ever falsified columns of numbers for political purposes or other reasons. Is such a thing even possible in the first place? :roll:
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Re: I am the one who put up posters in Calgary

Postby Hektor » 3 months 1 week ago (Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:28 am)

hermod wrote:Response of a naive believer: Because a journalist wrote "the generally-accepted statistic that six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust."

"Generally-accepted statistic." Waw ! That sounds very impressive, doesn't it? I'm sure nobody ever falsified columns of numbers for political purposes or other reasons. Is such a thing even possible in the first place? :roll:



"Generally Accepted number" is something different then "well-established statistic"

Rumors are often generally accepted / facts are well-established and supported by conclusive proof.

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Re: I am the one who put up posters in Calgary

Postby Hegwood » 3 months 4 days ago (Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:02 pm)

youngandcurious

First, I admire your courage and spirit.

The comments made to the Gauntlet article reporting on your escapade caused me to speculate on possible answers to an very reasonable multiple choice question:

How did the Germans manage dispose of hundreds of thousands of human corpses at Treblinka by simply piling them up and setting them on fire as if they were wood, dry wood at that? Every other attempt to reduce human corpses or animal carcasses to ashes requires tremendous amount of heat, hence fuel.

Choose one.
a. They didn't. It's impossible, it didn't happen.
b. It was a miracle. God suspended natural law to allow Hitler/Himmler to cover up their crime.
c. I don't know.
d. Go fuck yourself Nazi!

"d" seems to be the most acceptable answer. It is definitely the PC one.


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